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Mac Pro Launch Nears as Apple Business Staff Begin Offering Price Quotes
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Yeah, that's why despite the potential savings with a PC or hackintosh (and not huge savings), I'm likely to go nMP.
Really, I'm the perfect target audience... I need power, I don't need super-high-end GPUs, and I don't have a ton of legacy hardware to hook up to it. And my current MP is old enough that upgrades aren't worth it.
The lack of PCI slots isn't much an issue for me and I imagine many others. Three of the four PCI cards in my current system are there just to connect to a proprietary external box anyhow, and the other is the graphics card. If those same boxes were built with thunderbolt 2.0 connectivity, there'd be no need for the PCIe cards.
I'd rather have a Tianhe-2 for about the same price. 
It has 16,000 computer nodes, each comprising two Intel Ivy Bridge Xeon processors and three Xeon Phi chips for a total of 3,120,000 cores, and one hell of a monitor.
http://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/tianhe-2-racks.jpg
It has 16,000 computer nodes, each comprising two Intel Ivy Bridge Xeon processors and three Xeon Phi chips for a total of 3,120,000 cores, and one hell of a monitor.
http://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/tianhe-2-racks.jpg
Yeah, video editing has been damn near impossible without more than 3GB.
What's your reasoning? If it's the design, then that makes sense. If it's price, then I'm not sure what you're getting with HP that's comparable/cheaper.
You should try qualifying your reasoning before just listing a bunch of nonsensical analogies.
Hackintonshs are a hack. Not a workable machine. You waste time and money juggling them and never know if they are going to work from day to day.
Please tell me what PCIe card you want to stick in it. 99% will work via thunderbolt - Yes I know that's not internal. But What do you want in there?
And sorry you appear to have been on here since 2007. In what world do you think they would choose an external Case?!!?
This is a Pro machine throughout and if you think it's too expensive then you either don't need it or don't realise that you should be paying if off in a few jobs... and writing it off via tax anyway.
I've mentioned this a few times already but this thing has as much raw power as a supercomputer from only 10 years ago, would have been the 8th fastest machine on the planet in 2003 in fact.
I don't think this product is a great candidate for a gift. The main Apple products that will have signifigant gift sales are iPads and iPhones, and they released those in plenty of time.
However, releasing a product between Thanksgiving and Christmas is bad for another reason: people are distracted at this time of year and aren't paying attention as well as they would at other times of the year.
What Apple would normally do with a product if they could not get it out before Thanksgiving is to postpone the release until January. Later in January is a much better time from a marketing point of view. It's kind of weird that they still seem determined to release it in December, but maybe because it is so late they feel pressure not to postpone any further purely for marketing purposes.
I only use one, but that one can be switched out. GPU upgrades are important. What about pros who need video input cards?
Yep, totally.. because gaming and web surfing rigs totally need 4 PCIe slots.
And you are right, you are the perfect customer for a hackintosh.
There are pro thunderbolt video input devices, and video input cards also work via thunderbolt to PCIe chassis (there are ones that specifically list pro video input cards as supported and compatible). Using your existing cards is probably important to a lot of pros, for sure. But I'd imagine many would rather have Thunderbolt in the end- now you can move your video input "card" between your 4 workstations, and your laptop, at will. Could even save money for some.
I have a feeling this is going to happen too.. and with the Chinese New Years coming up, there's going to be a delay in getting raw materials/components from their Suppliers in China.
New Mac Pro
Wow--under $10,000 what a bargain but but but.......where are the wheels. Hey at that price if I can't drive it I'm not buying it.....
Wow--under $10,000 what a bargain but but but.......where are the wheels. Hey at that price if I can't drive it I'm not buying it.....
The PCIe to Thunderbolt things don't provide enough power or bandwidth for some cards, plus anything with Thunderbolt is a lot more expensive. PCIe devices are cheap and mass-produced. Plus it's all internal, so it's cleaner.
No one said anything about the top 1% income earners in the US, we're talking about the CPU power for an average person, on the planet earth. Most people live in 3rd world countries and need the equivalent of a low end smartphone or Snapdragon 800 CPU, at best.
So does that mean you're looking to pick up a used Kia?Wow--under $10,000 what a bargain but but but.......where are the wheels. Hey at that price if I can't drive it I'm not buying it.....
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Maybe you're distracted, but I'm making year-end business purchases to lighten my tax burden.
Couldn't wait for Apple's promises, went with the old 12-core.
Santa comes but once a year, but the tax-man is there everyday.
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Wow, prices are way higher then I thought. I was looking towards a 6 to 8 core, 1TB flash and around 16GB RAM. So far, with these prices it is looking like it might be far out of my price range.
The 6 core, 16gb ram, 256gb flash is $3,999 which is ok. However, that is *WAY* too small of a drive. I can't spend more then $1,000 more
Wait til next year and buy a refurb.
whats a 3rd world country? There are good portions of the USA that are worse off than so called 3rd world. Don't go by the pics in national geographic.
Even in the US, most people don't need anything better than a Pentium II. Avoiding new software is the trick.
So 3rd worlders should only play and consume? The 1st world creates and controls the medium and everything transmitted on it. Maybe the poor need Pros too, so they can photoshop us for a change. I don't think we'd like it.
I'm not so sure Apple ever decided to walk away from the Mac Pro. It must have taken them some time to design and build the new design. If you watch the video it states that they had to invent new manufacturing techniques so again that must have taken some time.
My issue is with the whole disjointed way that Tim Cook is running Apple. Having worked in IT for many years I'm fully aware that things don't simply happen over night. It takes years of planning, component testing, prototyping, field testing, test manufacturing and quality assurance.
However with Apple the whole process seems disjointed at the moment. Component supplies are limited at time of production so they can't supply sufficient products to meet initial demand. Products are released with faults that are literally found within hours of being released, faults that should have been found during the testing and QA phase. Software is routinely released before it's finished like the new version of iWork, even though they've had the best part of 4 years to work on it.
I've seen this sort of thing happen before and it's often the result of poor and indecisive leadership. We've already seen comments from people connected with Apple's ad agency that suggests Phil Schiller lacks focus and is indecisive, compared to Steve Jobs who knew exactly what he wanted.
It was Tim Cook's decision to essentially outsource almost every aspect of Apple's manufacturing and source almost all of their components externally. I've argued for years that was a mistake because it inevitably leads to problems, delays and manufacturing issues. To put it in simple terms Tim Cook is more interested in Apple's margin and profits than he is in their customers. Apple has for years taken it's customers for granted assuming that they will dutifully follow along and just accept the delays, poor quality, software problems and over priced products simply because they love all things Apple. I don't condemn anyone because I've been one of those people to.
What Apple needs is what they had up until 5 years ago. A strong minded and ruthlessly focussed leader who dictates rather than confides. That man was Steve Jobs. Tim Cook is no Steve Jobs and he never will be. Apple's board need to make sweeping changes at the top now before it's too late. Get rid of the old guard and bring in a fresh new team with a visionary leader to guide them through the next 20 years.
Maybe the pro market is no longer of interest to Apple. If that's the case they should come out and say so, sell of that part of their business and exit gracefully. Otherwise they should stop messing about and focus more on what their customers want.
It's not just hardware. Does anyone have a clue what they're doing with their software business apart from running it into the ground. As far as I can see Apple only makes two sellable products now - FCPX and Logic X and both of them have been dumbed down substantially. All the rest have been turned into freebies to sell more hardware. I wonder how long it will be before they can all their pro software altogether or start giving them away as freebies with every new Mac Pro purchased.
Than lets call parts of the US a 3rd world country. Heck, lets use my mom as an example. She uses a computer to check email and browse facebook, something any smartphone CPU made in the past few years can handle with ease.
The number of people who need a powerful CPU is minute compared to the number of people who just need any computer, and the people who require a fast CPU and tax it to 100% is definitely less than 1% of the population.
There's 7.13 billion people on the planet, so for your argument to hold water, that's 71.3 million people who need a high end CPU, or 22% of the USA, for perspective, who are rendering 3d graphics, crunching crypto algorithms, or likewise.