wetrix
macrumors 6502
I was being optimistic, but you're right and this just further proves the value of the Mac Pro.
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I was being optimistic, but you're right and this just further proves the value of the Mac Pro.
I think I have the solution:
Mac Mini = entry level "just want os x cheap"
iMac = consumer level desktop
Mac Pro = Professional class "workstation"
Mac = Enthusiast level desktop
I know that the iMac is Jobs' brainchild, but I can't figure out why the hesitation toward something of a headless variety...
I'm glad you feel included in the group of people that apple builds specifically for. You skipped over any of the arguments of any real value, and pointed out simply that apple is better than dell, which was never discussed or questioned.
By the way, my current computer is a macbook pro unibody, before which I was using a Core Duo macbook pro.
My reason for this thread is due to the frustration I have in trying to fill a void in my computing needs: a home desktop that is more powerful than the MBP. I want a computer that can do better than push massive teraflops of theoretical calculations, but one that will be able to say, run photoshop and play call of duty 4. Now before you point out that the iMac can do this, I would like to say, no it can't - not well enough. I had an iMac DV SE back in early 2000, and as great a computer as it was, it was never truly able to meet the power user's needs.
JesterJJZ
macrumors 68030
Apparently myself and all the other creative professionals using these systems are.
bla bla... 🙄
But it also neglects to take into account any of the direct purchase discounts that apple receives. When apple charges you $500 dollars to upgrade from 2gb to 4gb (4x1gb nonetheless) of ram, do you really believe that they pay the same price that we would from newegg or best (worst) buy?
and the ati radeon hd 2600 xt is listed on apple's site as a $130 dollar card.
That would mean, that if you could remove just the ram and the Graphics card from your base mac pro, the list price should be $2169 - a price I would be more than happy to pay.
sidewinder
macrumors 68020
ericsthename,
It's pretty clear that you cannot buy equivalent parts to build a system that is significantly cheaper than what it costs to buy a Mac Pro. That doesn't include a case that is as nice as Apple's and does not take into account the hassles associated with a pieced together system. The simple fact is that most consumers don't have the skills to properly build a system from the pieces.
You cannot beat what a Mac Pro offers in its price range. It may not be the system you want, but that does not make it an over priced system.
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It's pretty clear that you cannot buy equivalent parts to build a system that is significantly cheaper than what it costs to buy a Mac Pro. That doesn't include a case that is as nice as Apple's and does not take into account the hassles associated with a pieced together system. The simple fact is that most consumers don't have the skills to properly build a system from the pieces.
You cannot beat what a Mac Pro offers in its price range. It may not be the system you want, but that does not make it an over priced system.
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sidewinder
macrumors 68020
Dude, stop whining......
Jeez....
No one makes you buy additional Apple RAM or drives. Apple needs to sell a booting system so you get a basic setup. You don't like the 2600 video card, throw it away. You want more RAM? Buy it. You want different hard drives? Get them.
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Bla bla yourself mate, you're certainly not using 2gb of ram in your mac pro are you? did you configure yours with 16gb from apple? If you did, you spent a whopping $4300.
what kind of "creative professional" are you anyways, that you simply could not earn a livelihood from anything other than a mac pro you'd be more than happy to spend $10 000 to have?
I recently specced up a base mac pro against the equiv dell and HP workstations.
Give or take the same price.
*shrug*
Im still buying one when they are refreshed!
Give or take the same price.
*shrug*
Im still buying one when they are refreshed!
wetrix
macrumors 6502
What Apple pays for parts is irrelevant. What is relevant is what is available to us as consumers: the Mac Pro and the retail items available through newegg.
Nobody on MR is going to claim that buying RAM or HDDs from Apple is a good idea.
I agree that a $2169 system without card and RAM could make a few people happy, but not the masses, especially the non-enthusiasts who buy a Mac that doesn't work out of the box.
You're entitled to your opinion, but this is the wrong place to have the masses agree with you. Go to engadget where there are plenty of people who will bash Apple.
Here we like to complain about a lack of Firewire and glossy screens.
It must suck living in a fascist state where a EULA is considered legally binding.
Thankfully, most of the world (and indeed most of the US) doesn't.
Why do you think EULAs rarely get brought up in court?
Been a great value for me. Value is in the eye of the beholder. I do heavy trading on the Mac Pro and a robust system with ECC memory, 8GB of ram etc.. and running rock solid since 06 is a bargain. It has paid for itself a long time ago.
I could have a 60,000-200,000 dollar position in the market at one time for example and I cannot afford being cheap and buying a 500 dollar dell.
At least with the Mac I have a certified system with a certified operating system supported by 1 company.
I could have a 60,000-200,000 dollar position in the market at one time for example and I cannot afford being cheap and buying a 500 dollar dell.
At least with the Mac I have a certified system with a certified operating system supported by 1 company.
Well, it all comes down to the lack of a more budget-minded headless desktop sitting in the range between the iMac and a Mac Pro. If Apple could make two variants of the Mac Pro this time around, one with the i7 Nehalem and one with the Gainestown Xeon, everyone would be happy. There is a MAJOR leap between the Core2 Duo of the iMac and the for-server-use-designed Xeon in the Mac Pro.
If predictions are correct, Apple are passing on the i7 completely and possibly waiting for the i5 (so that they can fit it into the unnecessarily restrictive iMac casing). Massive, massive mistake. The i5 won't be around for another 9-12 months.
I badly want to stick with all-original Apple stuff, but I hate the iMac concept (risking the screen for replacing the hard drive? wtf?) and chucking money out the window for the power that (the coming) Mac Pro can offer really isn't smart. The cumbersome and ugly path of osx86 is looking more tempting by the day.
Here is my advice to Apple: Copy what Dell just did with the Studio XPS 435 and put it into the current Mac Pro casing. Sell it for $1699 (base). I'll buy one instantly. If the base price for the Mac Pro increases to around $3000, there is no way I am getting it. And I have a suspicion that my conclusion holds for A LOT of people.
If predictions are correct, Apple are passing on the i7 completely and possibly waiting for the i5 (so that they can fit it into the unnecessarily restrictive iMac casing). Massive, massive mistake. The i5 won't be around for another 9-12 months.
I badly want to stick with all-original Apple stuff, but I hate the iMac concept (risking the screen for replacing the hard drive? wtf?) and chucking money out the window for the power that (the coming) Mac Pro can offer really isn't smart. The cumbersome and ugly path of osx86 is looking more tempting by the day.
Here is my advice to Apple: Copy what Dell just did with the Studio XPS 435 and put it into the current Mac Pro casing. Sell it for $1699 (base). I'll buy one instantly. If the base price for the Mac Pro increases to around $3000, there is no way I am getting it. And I have a suspicion that my conclusion holds for A LOT of people.
Haha, fair enough, although I would like to point out that I'm not apple bashing, like I said before all my computers are apple, save for a build-a-box PC that my brother and I use for testing the windows waters.
I figured there would be a few more people at least willing to call some of these issues into question though. Does anyone else on here remember system 7? I'm just curious how long the average joe/jane on these forums has been a mac user.
Infrared
macrumors 68000
Slower bus speed (1333 MHz rather than 1600 MHz).
The current Mac Pros use E5462s.
http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLANT
sidewinder
macrumors 68020
Funny to hear people complain about the Mac Pro.
The Sun Ultra2 creater workstation I had ages ago with 2GB of ram,tapedrive,CD, dual ultrasparc cpus cost me about 20,000-21,000 dollars (yup 21K) 19inch sun monitor. I need to find that PO I have it somewhere and take a picture. Its amazing how things have gotten cheap.
2GB though was totally unheard of back then.
I should dust it off and power it back on for old times sake.
The Sun Ultra2 creater workstation I had ages ago with 2GB of ram,tapedrive,CD, dual ultrasparc cpus cost me about 20,000-21,000 dollars (yup 21K) 19inch sun monitor. I need to find that PO I have it somewhere and take a picture. Its amazing how things have gotten cheap.
2GB though was totally unheard of back then.
I should dust it off and power it back on for old times sake.
skyline r34
macrumors 6502
Etrade Pro and TWS workstation as well.
I also run some custom applications That I ported over from the Unix side. one for modeling options pricing and another for equities, QTP,Bloomberg Anywhere.
Mac is a great trading platform. I highly recommend a Mac Pro 8GB and two Apple 30 inchers.
The Mac Pro is a bit dated and about to be updated, but...
My Mac Pro has eight cores with 12 megabytes of cache. Find a Core i7 with 12 megabytes of cache per core...
(Or find one with 8 cores...)
My Mac Pro has eight cores with 12 megabytes of cache. Find a Core i7 with 12 megabytes of cache per core...
(Or find one with 8 cores...)
Buy a PC problem solved, Maybe...
I think you'll find that the OP actually really wants to buy a computer from Apple, but is finding that their hardware offerings do not meet his/her demands.
OS X is a fantastic operating system. Apple needs to manufacture a hardware lineup that gives so much choice that people don't choose to NOT use OS X because they cannot find "their" computer. Because when you have started using OS X, you don't go back. I think Apple are aware of this last fact, and are using it to squeeze as much cash as possible out of us. If you are a major Apple stock holder, great, lovely business plan. If you are not, it leaves a rather foul taste in the mouth.
I love OS X and I need more power and expandability than a laptop/iMac can give me. But I don't need a server-grade CPU, the regular high-end desktop CPUs will do nicely. Can I have one? Of course not. Apparently, Steve doesn't like them.
Oh, and the eternal "get a PC" response to critical remarks re: Apple hardware really are getting a bit old.