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As a bit of a videophile and definite audiophile, it would behoove Apple to at least include it for BTO. No reason not to really. Like someone posted earlier, until we can get full HD and all the high end audio codecs through the iTunes store, there is an apparent need (for some users) to have something like Blu-ray BTO.

The comparison to the floppy disk is not really valid. The discs held little to no memory and were behind the times. However to put it simply... Blu-ray is ahead of Apple's offerings.

I just fail to see why they choose not to offer Blu-Ray as a BTO option and then have their hands so deep in Pixar, whom offer some of the best audio and picture quality on the Blu-Ray format.

I think that maybe Steve decided to deter the Blu-Ray rumors to possibly make an announcement and "surprise" everyone.

Either way, Blu-ray or not, glad to finally see some good signs of an upcoming update.

At the very least, you won't see a BD BTO until FC supports BD authoring, and I don't see that happening.
 
This never had anything to do with the online store.


how come this doesn't have anything to do with the online store? aren't the screenshots that show the MP's being unavailable taken from the online stores?

i was checking on belgium Apple site and nothing out of the ordinary going on...all MP configs are available and shipping within 24hours.
 
Yep that's the patent and thats what I'd buy

I remember this ages ago from HardMac's news. Apple has several layout and design patents that I've been sitting on for an eternity when it comes to desktops. They end up like the BTX layout with more fancy aluminium and hidden, routed cables.

It's not happening. You'll just go online to the Business Store to order your Mac Pro. The retail store space will probably go to more iPhones.

People with cellphones are still impossible to reach.

That's the patent thanks for reposting. If that xMac (mini Pro) happens, that's my next Mac: especially if the weight is cut considerably and upgrades are simple for non-computer innards wranglers like myself. :D

And yes I've noticed several stores have Mac Pros using that reserve system. Let's hope that the update does come soon.
 
The issue to me is not so much a BluRay device, as FCS improvement to allow BluRay authoring. CS5 Encore doesn't cut it, especially since you need to the whole suite just to get that one piece. DVD SP needs to become BD-SP (whatever). Then the hardware needs to be ready to play Bluray movies (both BD-R that we generate via FCS / Toast / whatever, and commercially pressed movies), and that means HDCP compliant monitors, display cards, etc.

That likely means that BluRay playback to older monitors (like, my 30" ACD) won't work (no HDCP), so new monitors needs to be available, too.

I want BluRay for authoring and limited playback to test production. I watch real movies on a real viewing system.

Eddie O

Well stated.
 
how come this doesn't have anything to do with the online store? aren't the screenshots that show the MP's being unavailable taken from the online stores?

i was checking on belgium Apple site and nothing out of the ordinary going on...all MP configs are available and shipping within 24hours.

No. It is for in-store reservations. The machines were always available on-line.
 
to all you must have BlueRay people, buy a PC BlueRay drive put it in the second optical drive slot, and use bootcamp with windows when you want to watch a BlueRay disk it's that simple.

Or even better yet, buy a standalone BlueRay player and use it with a TV. it's not like a MacPro is all that portable.

I don't necessarily want to WATCH BluRay movies on my Mac; I want to author them and then test the results, even if just from the hard drive. Can't be done now without rebooting or using a virtual machine. At some point, I'll just give up and get an Alienware PC with Win 7 to do HD work.

Since FCS has a bit of BD support now (you can compess to BluRay format with minimal menu support, and burn the BD-R to a third party burner), clearly there is some movement in that direction. What's needed is a more complete authoring platform. CS5 / Encore from Adobe is not very good on Macs (don't know about PCs). I'd settle for just being able to use DVD-SP to create DVD style menus on BluRay discs without all the Java woop-de-doo. I already make my DVD menus look sort of BluRay like (for example, main menus stuff across a horizontal strip on the bottom with a blue gradient behind it). I can live without the spinning "I'm working now, don't bother me" "loading" things.
 
Will you guys STOP asking about Blu-Ray?! Nobody uses it anymore. The only things that come out on it are Disney stuff and a few things like Avatar. It's overpriced and overrated. It uses high compression H.264 to achieve stunning, crystal clear ragged edges in HIGH DEFINITION (being sarcastic) :p.

A DVD player with upscaler does the job for a lot less $$$ and no loading time.

My friend, if you can't tell the difference between BD and upscaled DVD, you need to schedule a visit with the optometrist.

Apple, not to mention Netflix &etc, are moving to network-based services rather than physical media. It will continue to be difficult to do HD to most homes via the net for some time, due to limited last-mile bandwidth. In the meantime, I will continue to enjoy watching Blu-Ray movies (players are cheap now). Lots available from Netflix and for purchase, from, e.g., Best Buy.
 
Normally mac products are double price and just decent hardware. Since a decent Mac Pro cost $5K, you would be overcharged a couple grand.

The Mac Pro is a workstation, not a desktop, as per industry nomenclature. Big power supplies, easy access, and installation of components without tools.

Compare the Mac Pro's price to an Hp Z600 or Z800 or Lenovo D20 or C20/C20x. You'll find that they are very comparable.

Your argument is more to the "why won't Apple built a mini/mid tower with a core processor instead of a Xeon and compete with PC desktops?"

I would also argue that a Mac Pro redesign is pretty pointless unless you are going to add functionality that it needs, and the only features that I would argue would be useful are more PCI-e 16x slots, spaced for the dual width pro graphics cards. This in itself would imply a power supply increase from the current 1KW to something in the order of 1.5KW to 2.0 KW. Apple would need to get ATI and Nvidia on board with more pro graphics cards that are OSX and Window 7 capable. I find that the new ATI FirePro are killer, and would suit my MCAD needs as well as my OSX pro apps requirements, if there were drivers available.

That said, I would build a rendering box with only 2 1/2 inch drive support, a 2KW power supply and add PCI-e 16 x to a total of 4 slots, and keep the dual Xeon's. Make this rack mountable with front drive access like the Xserve, make it 2U or 3U, and this would be a killer videol/audio/rendering box.
 
You sir have hit the nail on the head. The target market for the Mac Pro is creative pros who require heavy processing power, but Apple has let this market slip away with such time between updates and also the huge cost associated with upgrading the components to be suitable for such work. For example the hugely expensive but not very effective RAID card, or the massive ramp in price if you want more than 8Gb of RAM to actually be ABLE to utilise the power of those lovely dual processors.
I don't know who does Apple's accounts but they got it wrong with the Mac Pro, and I doubt unless there is a significant price drop that many people who left will come back to the Mac, and doubt that many who need to upgrade will choose Apple hardware in the future. Which is a shame, because the Mac Pro has all the potential in the world, if only Apple would actually support it and its target market. Kind of a no-brainier, one would think.

Hardly anybody configures a Mac Pro loaded. You buy the processors you want, minimize everything else, and then add RAM, RAID cards and drives from the likes of OWC. I find this is true even when configuring workstations from HP, Dell, and Lenovo, albeit there are a wider selection of graphics cards over what Apple offers.

Myself, and after installing an Intel 256 GB SSD in an older Core 2 duo PC workstation, I'll never again use RAID strictly for performance as SSD are better solutions.
 
Yeah, because when I'm kicking out a show a week, working 14 hours a day, my main concern is that the Mac Pro underneath my desk looks really cool.

I wouldn't mind a case redesign myself, only if there was some practical benefit in performance to the machine (but at least change the Apple logo to the black one to match everything in the line :cool:), but +1 to your opinion on the Mac Pro's external looks.

I think what we might be starting to see here is an influx of PC enthusiasts coming to Mac, wanting a tower option, and I see Steam on the Mac as a large contributor to this. Forget the massive price differences between a quickly put together gaming PC rig and the current Mac Pro. Steam and not to mention Apple's own Halo effect generated by their iDevices is starting to pique the interests of different markets that were once alienated by the Mac platform, perhaps including hard core PC gamers.

But coming from a world of transformer designed, "Magma Lava Orange Red" or whatever cleverly conceived, super cool name, colored cases, this is always where the xMac argument comes in. However we know how many times that song has been sung here at Mac Rumors, and I don't think it's going to quiet down any time soon, seeing as how things are going with the Mac seeing over a 75% growth this quarter from last.

Really, as long as we don't see any glowing blue lights inside the new Mac Pro, I think we should be fine...

Dude, you've been watching too many movies on your cell phone. And you've obviously got no experience with HD and no knowledge on this topic.

But, for the sake of education, Blu-Ray isn't just about stunning video. It's about stunning Audio. Are you upscaling your audio, too?

Sigh. I've tried, and people who don't get it have no idea about high definition audio. I'm a sound/music designer and sometimes I cringe when all the focus seems to be just about the video, when really it's much more than that.

1080p video + high def audio + special bonus features + less cumbersome DRM + cheaper prices >>>>> iTunes HD movies
 
No blu ray

For those on this site a lot, there was an email or something where Jobs said no blu ray. So don't get your hopes up. I have been waiting for blu Ray for awhile now and gave up. A's long there a great way to connect a external blu ray, easy set up and recognition I'm cool with that, only because I have given up on blu ray coming from Apple. Which I do think is a very stupid business move even with iTunes movies. But it's not my company.
I hope final cut has an update to bring movies from cameras via USB 3.0 and still have FireWire available. That would be very cool. I'm not a fan of doing transfer to folders and then bringing movies in that way, A's with current FC USB, IMO. I do not have the update for FC 7 nor looked, so for all I know it can be done.
I know this is a site for Mac Pro, but guessing most of you use Pro products, why I included FC.
 
I just checked all of the stores listed in the article this morning and they're all showing as available.

Another day, another rumor...
 
Really, as long as we don't see any glowing blue lights inside the new Mac Pro, I think we should be fine...

Sorry to ruin your day . . . :D
 

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I say that there will be an update but apple have seen the rumors, and to cover it up till the release, they have put ships within 24 hours
Anybody agree????
 
I say that there will be an update but apple have seen the rumors, and to cover it up till the release, they have put ships within 24 hours
Anybody agree????

No. Because then they'd have to ship them. And new ones aren't going to be announced on a Sunday.
 
No. Because then they'd have to ship them. And new ones aren't going to be announced on a Sunday.

That doesn't make sense, they obviously have some left so they could have changed it. It says ships within 24 hours on every mac so it doesn't make a difference
 
They were the computers from Apple Consumer Electronics, back in the day. After reading about these on Wiki, amazingly I found out their OS was the basis for the iDevices today and Apple Consumer Electronics was once know as Apple Computer.

Weird.
Is this supposed to be funny or clever or something? Sorry, but I'm totally missing the humor in the fact that Apple has two highly successful platforms that share a common set of frameworks and development tools. Do you think it was a mistake to leverage OS X and Cocoa to create iOS or that Apple should stop porting improvements from one platform to the other or what? I just don't get it. Please explain.
 
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