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Mac Pro Update Now Possible with New Xeon E5 Chips Next Week
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No, sir, there is NOT, period!!! You have *no* basis whatsoever from which to speak as to my requirements!
I generate video frames, using sophisticated mathematical algorithms, in real time, many times per second, for live audience consumption, fast enough that it looks like live motion. "Just wait a little bit longer for a job to finish" is *NOT* an option. 10 frames per second is *not* good enough. I have spent *hundreds* more hours optimizing my work than you have spent saying that it is unnecessary.
You do not know me. Therefore, you cannot speak for me. You simply do not know what you are saying. Your arrogance is understandable, but frankly is entirely misplaced. Confining your speculations to things that you actually know about might be a bit more constructive.
No, I did. Ever considered the fact that you took that other poster's hyperbole a bit too seriously ?
The fact is Lenovo will give you the same/better hardware as Apple for a fraction of the cost.
LoL. You still don't need a MacPro for that sort of work. It would actually behoove you to move to a machine with CUDA abilities.
Oh, I am supposed to be a mind reader now?
Here is a bone for you... You are right about everything, and so is the guy I replied to who said eight Lenovos with a free OS is better than one Mac Pro with OS X. Logic Pro sucks, and I can do just as good using a four-track cassette recorder.
Oh, wait, was that also hyperbole on my part?
"LoL"???
Yes I need a Mac Pro. OpenCL is more suited to my needs than CUDA. I split the job between GPU cores and CPU cores. I have well over a hundred thousand hours' work invested in my software. Are you offering to rewrite it for me under a different OS, with different APIs for all the system services?
It behooves me to live my life as I choose. If I were using commercial software I'd be able to ask people for advice. I can't; I write my own. I have to make my own decisions. I can't afford to listen to a random stranger giving clearly wrong advice about something he hasn't even seen. It's as if I were telling you that your haircut is ridiculous -- without ever having seen it.
I'm in the wrong thread [edit: board]. I'll go hang out with the pros over on the Khronos, AMD and nVidia boards....
[edit: I don't mean that there aren't pros here! I mean that there aren't trolls over there.]
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You know... after seven years on this site I've never noticed that! Great find! Too bad that neat search feature has produced zero results on the topic. Maybe you can explain why!
No, that's why the literary style known as the hyperbole was used, so that it would be obvious to the reader that what was being said was in fact an exageration of a reality that exists.
It's was a common technique used in the "Age of Enlightenment" period in 18th Europe, where a few of the philosophers and writers adopted irony to convey the message about the social changes they were advocating.
Why are you mad ? (I'm not a mind reader, but it's blatantly obvious that this conversation has stirred something up). In the end, Apple charges Apple prices, Lenovo charges less for equivalent hardware because they refresh more often.
That's a reality you need to accept if you're going to be an Apple user.
Yes, it was. Though I'd say it's more that you're somehow pissed off at something. Leave the emotions behind, everyone is simply trying to have an objective discussion here.
This thread is getting a bit hard core.
Soon people will start comparing their "pieces".
Even though this is rather entertaining to read and somewhat amusing, can we get back on topic please?
If you want to bitch and moan, feel free to email each other or meet up for a coffee/hot chocolate/beer and chat about it then.
Thanks,
G.
Soon people will start comparing their "pieces".
Even though this is rather entertaining to read and somewhat amusing, can we get back on topic please?
If you want to bitch and moan, feel free to email each other or meet up for a coffee/hot chocolate/beer and chat about it then.
Thanks,
G.
Actually, the topic is kind of done. Intel releases and Apple . . uhh . . well Apple . . ?
Actually, the topic is kind of done. Intel releases and Apple . . uhh . . well Apple . . ?
Let's wait a little, I am sure there is something imminent.
However, you should be perfectly happy with your latest Mac Pro, that's a best (3.33)
http://www.electronista.com/articles/12/03/06/hp.z420.z620.z820.hint.plans.for.others/ HP first with Xeon E5 workstations, hints at 16-core Mac Pro
HP's 16-core new Xeon E5 workstations can be quite affordable?
Apple should realize that more people would buy MacPro's but the pricing has been just insane
HP's 16-core new Xeon E5 workstations can be quite affordable?
Apple should realize that more people would buy MacPro's but the pricing has been just insane
Thanks for the lesson on hyperbole! Do you need a lesson on sarcasm?
No, I am not pissed off. I have just been trying to make a point that many of us have different needs, but a couple of people on this thread are insistent that they know better what my needs are.
My points have been made, and the counterpoints have been made. Now we can all close our eyes and take a deep breath!
http://www.electronista.com/articles/12/03/06/hp.z420.z620.z820.hint.plans.for.others/ HP first with Xeon E5 workstations, hints at 16-core Mac Pro
HP's 16-core new Xeon E5 workstations can be quite affordable?
Apple should realize that more people would buy MacPro's but the pricing has been just insane
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Have you really compared prices? if you put comparable systems together you won't find a huge price difference ... i just checked the prices of the hp machines .. i found machine easily in the 7000€ region .. so same as for the Mac Pro (except for the SSD prices @ Apple - wich are "a bit" out of date, but after more than 1,5 years of not updating anything thats no wonder
so i'm hoping&waiting for a new Mac pro until April and than i'll have to consider buying a HP machine
467 posts in 10 days.
If anything, this thread is living proof that the MacPro is still very much alive in the hearts and minds of a sizeable portion of this forum's members.
Let's hope that Apple is aware of it.
If anything, this thread is living proof that the MacPro is still very much alive in the hearts and minds of a sizeable portion of this forum's members.
Let's hope that Apple is aware of it.
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Have you really compared prices? if you put comparable systems together you won't find a huge price difference ... i just checked the prices of the hp machines .. i found machine easily in the 7000 region .. so same as for the Mac Pro (except for the SSD prices @ Apple - wich are "a bit" out of date, but after more than 1,5 years of not updating anything thats no wonder
so i'm hoping&waiting for a new Mac pro until April and than i'll have to consider buying a HP machine
Pricing and availability
The HP Z420, Z620 and Z820 Workstations are expected to be available worldwide beginning in April. Estimated U.S. pricing starts at $1,169 for the HP Z420, $1,649 for the HP Z620 and $2,299 for the HP Z820
What HP prices did you look then? HP Starts at 1,169 and cheapest MacPro starts from what? 2,499 with 3gigs of ram and obsolete graphics
iLife software is good but not worth of over 1000 dollars higher price tag with about same specs or even worst specs than those HP's got...
Well of course the re-sell value is also much higher on MacPro's also.
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Apple still makes OS X server version so it is obvious that they continue MacPro line in the future.
Mac Mini as a real server, in a business world? Not gonna happen.
There will be 16-core MacPro introduction in April. Lets see how many times Schiller repeats the word "amazing" when he demonstrates it
Pricing and availability
The HP Z420, Z620 and Z820 Workstations are expected to be available worldwide beginning in April. Estimated U.S. pricing starts at $1,169 for the HP Z420, $1,649 for the HP Z620 and $2,299 for the HP Z820
What HP prices did you look then? HP Starts at 1,169 and cheapest MacPro starts from what? 2,499 with 3gigs of ram and obsolete graphics
not sure if you can open that link from HP store
http://h71016.www7.hp.com/dstore/Mi...=3007&BaseId=30037&oi=E9CED&BEID=19701&SBLID=
dual 6 Core Xeon @ 2,66 GHz, 6 GB ram, 1 TB HDD, average NVidia gfx
= 5982 $
a very similar MacPro costs with best available Ati Card & Apple Care
5448$
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There will be 16-core MacPro introduction in April. Lets see how many times Schiller repeats the word "amazing" when he demonstrates it
i hope so much, that you're right!
There will be 16-core MacPro introduction in April. Lets see how many times Schiller repeats the word "amazing" when he demonstrates it
If anything, there's not going to an announcement. It will just pop up on the site after a maintenance period on a tuesday morning.
or...
Or, some morning the URL http://www.apple.com/macpro/ will start to redirect to http://www.apple.com/macmini/server/ !
With Apple you never know until it happens....
Or, some morning the URL http://www.apple.com/macpro/ will start to redirect to http://www.apple.com/macmini/server/ !
With Apple you never know until it happens....
But after which Tuesday do "we" actually give up hope of a release, absent any word from Apple? 467 posts doesn't exactly overwhelm Apple from a sales point of view. Each week that goes buy now without word dims the chances I think.
As a Hackintosh hobbyist I would prefer that Apple releases OS XI for the masses. With couple of official drivers, OSX runs in 99% of worlds post 2005 pc computers easily, at least with GPU upgrades.
I seriously believe that would increase massively Apples market share of operating systems world widely. We are talking about 20-30% share here. That would mean +200% for AAPL
Pricing? hmm with iLife I would pay 199 eur/usd easily.
As a Hackintosh hobbyist I would prefer that Apple releases OS XI for the masses. With couple of official drivers, OSX runs in 99% of worlds post 2005 pc computers easily, at least with GPU upgrades.
I seriously believe that would increase massively Apples market share of operating systems world widely. We are talking about 20-30% share here. That would mean +200% for AAPL
Pricing? hmm with iLife I would pay 199 eur/usd easily.
I agree, but it's not Apples' style unfortunately even though it does make some sense at least along the lines of high end stuff. They really need to show their cards, one way or the other, very soon, at least in an attempt to show some sort of respect for the old guard so to speak.
It would be very "green" thing to do too. Apple always tells how recycling is important etc. So what is better recycling than 900 million used PC:s as OSX machines in Africa and other developing countries..
But this is just my silly dream because I love Unix in general and OSX has polished the rough edges of it.
agree
I know I don't use a mac pro, but I know several folks who still do. And I really hope Apple doesn't shoot this down. It's a very vital and important machine to many creative types. So I am all for this machine living on to render another day.
I know I don't use a mac pro, but I know several folks who still do. And I really hope Apple doesn't shoot this down. It's a very vital and important machine to many creative types. So I am all for this machine living on to render another day.
Why dont Apple just do motherboards and casings for MacPro line and let the customers really themselves put it together.
Typical answer is that Apple hardware and software are just paired together in the best possible way and "it just works"
Well I think that is just marketing BS because my Atom 330 Nvidia ION box runs smoothly as silk and the CPU is not even supported by Snow Leopard
1080p Youtube works smoothly as everything else including iMovie too.
Same thing with my Pentium 4 hackintosh with 1gb of RAM and ATI gpu.. Smooth.
Just saying that OSX is very combatible today, almost as Ubuntu
Typical answer is that Apple hardware and software are just paired together in the best possible way and "it just works"
Well I think that is just marketing BS because my Atom 330 Nvidia ION box runs smoothly as silk and the CPU is not even supported by Snow Leopard
1080p Youtube works smoothly as everything else including iMovie too.
Same thing with my Pentium 4 hackintosh with 1gb of RAM and ATI gpu.. Smooth.
Just saying that OSX is very combatible today, almost as Ubuntu