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Are we forgetting that Intel is also prepping 8 core Xeons as well for about the same timeframe?

I don't know if they'll get into Mac Pros as they're liable to be insanely expensive and use socket 1567, but I could see them going into an insane Mac Pro config.
 
I doubt most people actually need a 12 core Macpro, 6 core would do for 90% of professionals I reckon.
Kind of a short-sided vantage there, me thinks. Personally, I've been waiting for a very long time for the very next update because I intend on keeping it for at least 5-7 years so I need it to be awesome even as I considering my next purchase sometime in 2017.

Why? Currently, I am running a 2002 PowerMac G4 Quicksilver. I could've upgraded a few years ago and then I used funds saved for "this important thing" and I would build back up and then those would go for "another more important situation". Finally, I'm buying,... I've alerted the family that now is MY time! :)
 
I'm sure the video card options in the upcoming Mac Pro refresh will be two generations or so behind, as per usual.... :rolleyes:

It would have to be a competitively priced machine and a compelling value proposition for me to upgrade from my 2008 Mac Pro. Let's hope they don't continue the ridiculous pricing scheme of the 2009 refresh.........:mad:
 
ROFLOL. What do you think this is the dell forum?

Jesus. $2500 for a 2.66 quad core with a little extra? Awesome... sorta... not really...

The 2008s and earlier had good price points for their hardware. The 2009 was drastically overpriced.
 
Are we forgetting that Intel is also prepping 8 core Xeons as well for about the same timeframe?

I don't know if they'll get into Mac Pros as they're liable to be insanely expensive and use socket 1567, but I could see them going into an insane Mac Pro config.

That would be my DREAM machine right there, Single 8-core with an option for dual cores giving 16-cores :eek::D...... I would be set for life and that would quiet all the Mac Pro complainers along with Winni :rolleyes:.. I can't wait to hear that response LOL :rolleyes:

If Apple gave us a 6 core config and a 8 core config that would elminate a need for any other Mac Pro updates for 2 yrs!!! Just provide up-to-date graphics cards in the stores as they're released ..... Oh yeah and FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!! GIVE US DEVELOPERS NEW CINEMA DISPLAYS!!!!! :)

24" MODEL DOES NOT WORK WELL WITH A MAC PRO, NOT TO MENTION IT'S NOT EVEN DESIGNED FOR IT. :mad::rolleyes:


8-CORE ARTICLE http://arstechnica.com/hardware/news/2009/05/intel-touts-8-core-xeon-monster.ars


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Regardless of recent updates to the Mac Pro line, rumors are circulating that Apple could be upgrading its pro line of desktops early next year with faster processors that sport more cores and consume less power. The information was allegedly leaked from Intel, and the new processors (codenamed Gulftown) will reportedly make use of six cores on a 32nm die with 12MB of L3 cache per chip. Currently, Apple's high-end machine offers only four cores per processor with 8MB of L3 cache.

According to AppleInsider, the i7980X will start at a clock speed of 3.33GHz, which happens to be the clock speed of the fastest quad-core processor you can currently order in a Mac Pro. The i7-980X will supposedly replace the i7-975 in the Extreme tier of Apple's three-tier system. According to the roadmap, the processor will see a launch in the first quarter of 2010.

Speculation has arisen that Apple may work with Intel to be the first company to use the new processor and, if you ask us, the timing seems right. The speed bumps to the Mac Pro line earlier this month were done quietly, leading us to believe the increase in clock speed is merely a stop-gap before a larger overhaul. A March rollout would certainly put a NAMM release into the realm of possibility. More cores and perhaps Blu-Ray would definitely appeal to the audio/visual crowd too. It seems likely Apple already has samples of the processor and is in the testing process.

The i7-980X would not only mean better performance for consumers, but also lower power consumption, allowing Apple to make further strides toward being a greener company. It would potentially mean smaller machines, less fan noise, and smaller heat sinks due to the lower power consumption and heat output. It seems only likely that the same processors will eventually go into the Xserve line where these same improvements are even more important.

After Steve's comments on Blu Ray we can kiss that part in the article good by
 
so fast...

jeeze...12 total cores. I really hope they make a solid-state drive standard on these things. i recently upgraded to one to use as my system start-up/applications drive and even my 5.5 year old powermac dual G5 is still way too much power for me to even know what do with. The SSD really opened up the biggest bottleneck and it'd be really DUM not to have one standard in a computer so powerful...like putting a 2 cylinder lawn mower engine in a corvette.

Infact, SSDs shuold be standard on ALL new macs! Biggest speed increase by far over any other upgrade
 
The i7 980X would probably be faster than the new xeons considering that the i7's in the iMac are faster than the xeons in the current MP.
Something I don't understand: why are people becoming fans of things they don't like? Like on facebook you see fan pages that say "I hate waking up in the morning", if you hate waking up in the morning why are you a fan? And since when could you become a fan of an action or idea? Since when have fanpages turned into groups?
 
These days the Mac Pro almost feel like an afterthought from Apple. Lost and nearly forgotten in the glare of the touch generation. :(
How far will Apple pull out of the pro market I wonder.... :confused:
 
You are kidding right? right?
The i7 iMac is faster then the base Mac Pro. The base Mac Pro uses a quad-core 2.66 GHz Xeon CPU. The i7 iMac is a quad-core 2.8GHz i7 CPU. The reviews and benchmarks have all shown the i7 iMac is faster.
 
These days the Mac Pro almost feel like an afterthought from Apple. Lost and nearly forgotten in the glare of the touch generation. :(
How far will Apple pull out of the pro market I wonder.... :confused:

After Sandy Bridge the Pro Market for Apple will be Gone! IMO .... The PROs will leave Apple not the other way around, due to co$t.

so 2012-2013.... That's why if the 6 cores arrive I'm going to future proof with the highest config,,, which will probably be a 12-core machine (I'm also going to buy the highest clock config) ..... Intel's move to More Cores is due to the enterprise wanting to go cloud, since Intel see lots of $$$$ from the enterprise market each xenon core chip will be priced higher per more cores....That's why you hear all this talk about intel building 48-Core Units etc...... Apple will find a way to make the iMac more "PRO" like by time this happens
 
I'll alert the media. The New York Times in particular has been awaiting the news about what "psingh01" on the MacRumors forum was going to do. Thank you for clarifying your historic decision. We can finally go on with our lives!

Geez. You're reading a rumor website about a company that makes consumer products. People who post here speculate about the release of products and their potential future purchases. You're gonna come across such posts.
 
After Sandy Bridge the Pro Market for Apple will be Gone! IMO .... The PROs will leave Apple not the other way around, due to co$t.

so 2012-2013.... That's why if the 6 cores arrive I'm going to future proof with the highest config,,, which will probably be a 12-core machine (I'm also going to buy the highest clock config) ..... Intel's move to More Cores is due to the enterprise wanting to go cloud, since Intel see lots of $$$$ from the enterprise market each xenon core chip will be priced higher per more cores....That's why you hear all this talk about intel building 48-Core Units etc...... Apple will find a way to make the iMac more "PRO" like by time this happens
First of all future proofing is nothing more than the gross expenditure of money for minimal performance gains.

Secondly, Nehalem and Westmere are here to stay for some time in the server market. Sandybridge in 2011 is aiming for mobile and desktop parts first.
 
First of all future proofing is nothing more than the gross expenditure of money for minimal performance gains.

Secondly, Nehalem and Westmere are here to stay for some time in the server market. Sandybridge in 2011 is aiming for mobile and desktop parts first.

Thirdly Future Proofing actually saves money down the road IMO


Fourthly SandyBridge is the planned successor to Nehalem. Intel started development of Sandy Bridge in 2006. Sandy Bridge uses the 32 nm manufacturing methods from Westmere and applies it to the new Sandy Bridge microarchitecture. Intel has stated that they
"are evaluating options to adjust Sandy Bridge schedule to ensure sufficient Nehalem lifecycle,"
and so Sandy Bridge may be released later than originally planned, but it is still scheduled for 2011.

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You are right that Intel will more then likely split the CPU lines into 2 markets "SandyBridge being mobile and Nahalem being server side" It's still to early to tell
 
Can you elaborate?

Possible a bad choice of words, when I say future proof I mean buying a top line model with the best cpu and then I won't care when new products come 5yrs later etc.... I can always upgrade the ram, I buy the standard GPU cause I upgrade it.............. besides that I just mean in terms of CPU... The 2009 2.26 pros are a waist of $$$ and the 2.93 price is a joke, but I will upgrade to gulftown when it arrives

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You were correct about sandybridge, I stand corrected
 
Possible a bad choice of words, when I say future proof I mean buying a top line model with the best cpu and then I won't care when new products come 5yrs later etc.... I can always upgrade the ram, I buy the standard GPU cause I upgrade it.............. besides that I just mean in terms of CPU... The 2009 2.26 pros are a waist of $$$ and the 2.93 price is a joke, but I will upgrade to gulftown when it arrives

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You were correct about sandybridge, I stand corrected
Alright if that works for you. :D

Intel's tock/tick approach is slowing down by a quarter or two in some instances. Intel skipped 45nm Havendale/Auburndale entirely.
 
You said you only have quad core? So then you should be peaking at 400%

There are TONS of applications that use all your cores. Not to mention most of apple is now 64bit that takes advantage of them all.

Can you show me? I'm looking for applications that were designed to take advantage of the multicores to do things like editing large video, photo, and things like that. Apertur and iLife aren't multicore. GCD isn't helping much.


Apparently, you should try Flash. :)

:mad: ..... then ... :( .... ... :eek: .... ..:D

Kind of a short-sided vantage there, me thinks. Personally, I've been waiting for a very long time for the very next update because I intend on keeping it for at least 5-7 years so I need it to awesome even as I considering my next purchase sometime in 2017.

Why? Currently, I am running a 2002 PowerMac G4 Quicksilver. I could've upgraded a few years ago and then I used funds saved for "this important thing" and I would build back up and then those would go for "another more important situation". Finally, I'm buying,... I've alerted the family that now is MY time! :)

Most people have the mindset that they will change the machine every year or two. Like you, I'll keep and know that my Mac Pro will last until the next futuristic/startrek OS X upgrade.
 
First off, the Hyperthreaded cores aren't "imaginary", they're simply logical. Let's take a Nehalem-based quadcore for example. With hyperthreading enabled, it has four physical cores, but eight logical cores. This typically occurs by adding adding another set of registers (control registers, status registers, address registers, etc.), while not adding in another execution set (as this would result in a truly additional physical core). The idea behind it is that since a system is not always dependent upon 100% execution set utilization, by adding in the additional control and general purpose registers, it can execute an additional thread and take advantage of the available execution resources (if anyone has any other thoughts or wants to make make any corrections please do so, my general memory on the fine details of a hyperthreaded architecture are a bit rusty :) ).

Anyway, people often think that to take advantage of Hyperthreading that you needed specially-coded software for it, and that's simply not the case. To see any type of benefit, you simply need to be using multithreaded applications, and in that regard, there are plenty of currently-available applications that are multithreaded.

Now, there has been considerable discussion on whether hyperthreading is even worth it for dual-core systems, given the extra power consumption, thermal output and the fact with a dual, quad (or soon to be 6-core) processor you already have multiple cores available for multithreaded apps, thus negating some of the usefulness of it.

One of the biggest problems with hyperthread is the shared resources. If you have a computation that is heavy L2/L3 cache usage, hyperthreads will almost certainly result in worse performance due to excessive cache conflicts.

If the computation is relatively cache light, then hyperthreads will appear almost as if you had extra cores.

In real world workflows/applications, due the pros outweigh the cons? In my experience, hyperthreads is a marketing hype. Ever wonder why AMD doesn't implement hyperthreads?

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/Intel-i7-nehalem-cpu,2041-5.html is an interesting article on pentium 4 hyperthreads versus nehalem. Intel has put bandaids on shared resources like the instruction reorder buffer, load/store buffers, the execution units, and cache memory by making them bigger.
 
What?!

No camera?
No blu-ray?

This is just an oversized Mac Mini!

Does it even multitask?
 
Alright if that works for you. :D

Intel's tock/tick approach is slowing down by a quarter or two in some instances. Intel skipped 45nm Havendale/Auburndale entirely.

I noticed that, It's insane how fast the technology still evolves.... I dream about a 20nm CPU with 12-cores :eek:
 
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