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Mac Pro Update With 6-Core Xeon Gulftown Processors Due Soon?

Anaemik said:
Actually looks like a really solid display. Thanks for the heads up! Do you have the + version (S-PVA vs S-IPS), and how does it compare to your HP?
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It is S-PVA, and has slightly less saturated colors than the HP. The white balance is much more accurate OOTB, and I had to jump through hoops to get the HP to match. The reason I bring up the 3 year warranty is because I bought mine second hand on Craigslist. Very assuring especially when your panel fails, and a 5 minute call to Samsung gets you prepaid overnight and executive treatment (as happened in my case)

I dont know if the panel is shaky overall as I'm just one user, but the warranty is definitely a reason I would pick it over the HP.
 
Techhie said:
It is S-PVA, and has slightly less saturated colors than the HP. The white balance is much more accurate OOTB, and I had to jump through hoops to get the HP to match. The reason I bring up the 3 year warranty is because I bought mine second hand on Craigslist. Very assuring especially when your panel fails, and a 5 minute call to Samsung gets you prepaid overnight and executive treatment (as happened in my case)

I dont know if the panel is shaky overall as I'm just one user, but the warranty is definitely a reason I would pick it over the HP.
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Thanks for the info. Strangely enough my L2335 (also an HP) came with a 3 year next day, no questions, full replacement warranty. If there was a problem you called them up, and next day a courier would be round with a new model and would collect the faulty one while he was there. Sounds similar to the Samsung warranty you mention so I'm surprised HP isn't offering this aswell.

Having looked around on Ebay etc it would seem that the 305T's are pretty popular, cos nobody seems to be wanting to part with theirs! (and sadly, Craigslist just never really took off over in the UK).
 
16th march will be the release date of the Intel Gulftown 6-core, anxious to see what Apple's next step will be.. A iMac is not an option for me, I hope that Apple finally puts some love and attention to her nearly sunk flagship. Still missing to get the good old feeling I had back in the PowerPC G5-days..
 
soon, very soon...:)
I hope the prices will be right. The current MacPro lineup is waaaay overpriced, even a year ago when they were released, it was totally insane.
The MacPro Early 2008 was a great value though. At the time of the release it was earthbreaking and even a year later the price was right and then came the dual 2.26...
 
Firechild said:
soon, very soon...:)
I hope the prices will be right. The current MacPro lineup is waaaay overpriced, even a year ago when they were released, it was totally insane.
The MacPro Early 2008 was a great value though. At the time of the release it was earthbreaking and even a year later the price was right and then came the dual 2.26...
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I can't quite agree with you on the price honestly. I don't think people actually compare similar computers when doing this sort of comparison on the Mac Pro, since it is rather high end with Xeon processors.
A quick compare of Dell T7500 workstation dual 2.26: $2,843 and Mac Pro dual 2.26 @ MacMall: $3,096.99.
The case alone would probably make a $100 difference, going from plastic to aluminum. Don't get me wrong, I think there's definitely a Mac Tax but that's the choice you make when purchasing the computer.

I chose Dell, just because the website is easy to quickly configure a similar computer, but I'm sure HP, IBM, etc are right around the same ballpark or higher than Dell honestly. I honestly can't wait to have 5 virtual servers running on this new box and hopefully still have processor and memory to spare. :D
 
not plastic, steel

stanton said:
A quick compare of Dell T7500 workstation dual 2.26: $2,843 and Mac Pro dual 2.26 @ MacMall: $3,096.99.
The case alone would probably make a $100 difference, going from plastic to aluminum.
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The Dell workstation cases have been steel, not tools needed. Also, very quiet.

I think you'll be pleased when it arrives.
 
stanton said:
I can't quite agree with you on the price honestly. I don't think people actually compare similar computers when doing this sort of comparison on the Mac Pro, since it is rather high end with Xeon processors.
A quick compare of Dell T7500 workstation dual 2.26: $2,843 and Mac Pro dual 2.26 @ MacMall: $3,096.99.
The case alone would probably make a $100 difference, going from plastic to aluminum. Don't get me wrong, I think there's definitely a Mac Tax but that's the choice you make when purchasing the computer.

I chose Dell, just because the website is easy to quickly configure a similar computer, but I'm sure HP, IBM, etc are right around the same ballpark or higher than Dell honestly. I honestly can't wait to have 5 virtual servers running on this new box and hopefully still have processor and memory to spare. :D
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The price comparisons don't tend to be of the dual socket Mac Pro compared to the dual socket Workstations from other vendors, these have similar prices as you have seen.

People are generally referring to the single quad Mac Pros which are $1,000 more than you can find from Dell, HP, Lenovo etc. A Dell T3500 equipped similar to the $2,499 Mac Pro can be had for ~$1,300 inc. a 3 year on site warranty and there are many Core i7 systems which will perform the same that can be found for around $1,000.

If they are calling the dual socket systems overpriced it is usually because the old Mac Pros were great value and the new ones aren't. You used to get two $800 processors in a $2,799 system, now you get two $375 processors in a $3,299 system (nothing else changed in value to any significance).
 
stanton said:
I chose Dell, just because the website is easy to quickly configure a similar computer, but I'm sure HP, IBM, etc are right around the same ballpark or higher than Dell honestly. I honestly can't wait to have 5 virtual servers running on this new box and hopefully still have processor and memory to spare. :D
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Apple is competitive on the dual quad core machines, and that is only because everyone's dual quad cores are expensive! Even Dell.

Apple's single quad cores are a total rip off and their laptops are a gen behind for this gen's price.
 
Frazzle said:
Well his confusion is logical, given that Apple is now a 'mobile devices company'.

The next Mac Pro will actually have wheels.
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you mean like this?
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But semi-seriously though, the Mac Pro is kind of like Apple's version of the Veyron. Maximum performance, nice style, price be damned.
 
macuserx86 said:
you mean like this?
But semi-seriously though, the Mac Pro is kind of like Apple's version of the Veyron. Maximum performance, nice style, price be damned.
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Except sadly it isn't the top performer in its class any more, which is a shame.
 
Icaras said:
You mean, price the Mac Pro so high that professionals will actually leave Apple? If that's what you mean, then yea, I agree.
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+1 on this one. I definitely agree with you. Apple has to start lowering its prices. Our loyalty to Apple over the years should be recompensated with better hardware options especially at the GPU level. I find that Apple is slowly losing the shine it once had. Don't get me wrong they're still a great company, it's just that they need to get serious with the pro market. They must deliver big with the next MP revision.
 
macuserx86 said:
But semi-seriously though, the Mac Pro is kind of like Apple's version of the Veyron. Maximum performance, nice style, price be damned.
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Except for their embracing GPU power (OpenCL), and then ignoring that emphasis with the last-gen GPUs the Mac Pros have. There's some other issues with the Mac Pro that I wouldn't call it a Veyron.. but...

The $2499 Mac Pro has a single processor and half the RAM expansion capability that the dual processor model does.

Does this not sound familiar? Back in the day, Apple called that the 1.8GHz PowerMac G5 and it cost about $1500 (was it $1600?). Despite IBM's issues, they still updated those machines seemingly more often than Apple updates the Mac Pro. >>
 
lincolntran said:
I'm all for the update, but I'll be more exciting when they rewrite all their software to utilize all those power. For goodness sake, my Mac Pro has only quad core with 6gb and I still haven't find any non-pro (even some pro) software that can use all that power....my meter always at 200-300% while it should be at 800% when I do heavy works....:mad:
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I've never quite understood why people can't see the advantages with lots of cores even if a single application isn't utilising all cores to the max. I for one run more than one app at a time! On my octo Nehalem I use all the cores at ~100% from time to time, even if none of my apps use more than ~150%. E.g. if I'm going to do some heavy calculations on 100 files, I don't give all the files to one process hoping the process is able to spread out the work load on all cores, I start 10 simultaneous processes working with 10 files each.
 
ildondeigiocchi said:
+1 on this one. I definitely agree with you. Apple has to start lowering its prices. Our loyalty to Apple over the years should be recompensated with better hardware options especially at the GPU level. I find that Apple is slowly losing the shine it once had. Don't get me wrong they're still a great company, it's just that they need to get serious with the pro market. They must deliver big with the next MP revision.
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Apple have been ignoring the high-end market since before the intel transition.

I personally have never seen the need for 8+ threads, not even in Maya. My sisters average renderings only shred a few minutes with the extra threads.
 
JoeG4 said:
Except for their embracing GPU power (OpenCL), and then ignoring that emphasis with the last-gen GPUs the Mac Pros have. There's some other issues with the Mac Pro that I wouldn't call it a Veyron.. but...

The $2499 Mac Pro has a single processor and half the RAM expansion capability that the dual processor model does.

Does this not sound familiar? Back in the day, Apple called that the 1.8GHz PowerMac G5 and it cost about $1500 (was it $1600?). Despite IBM's issues, they still updated those machines seemingly more often than Apple updates the Mac Pro. >>
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You're assuming the Veyron is a perfect car. ;)
It's too heavy to be competitive on the track; Bugatti made some compromises.

But I see and am frustrated by your point. I'd love to be able to put a 5770 from Newegg in my Pro.
 
MorphingDragon said:
Apple have been ignoring the high-end market since before the intel transition.

I personally have never seen the need for 8+ threads, not even in Maya. My sisters average renderings only shred a few minutes with the extra threads.
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I went from a 3.2 Ghz Octad 2008 Mac Pro to a 2.93 Ghz Nehalem Octad Mac Pro and saw an 80% increase in rendering speed.
 
MorphingDragon said:
Apple have been ignoring the high-end market since before the intel transition.

I personally have never seen the need for 8+ threads, not even in Maya. My sisters average renderings only shred a few minutes with the extra threads.
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Uh...... What?

First you say they're ignoring the high end, then complain that their current systems are too high end.

Which is it?
 
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