Mac Pro's New Radeon Pro W6000 Graphics Modules Now Available for Standalone Purchase

[Macintosh IIvx]

Pros don’t want Apple silicon until the software is there. It’s not and won’t be for a while.

Totally. The majority of pro apps haven't been moved over to AS yet and won't be for some years. Most pros still want to stay on Intel.

The questions of running Windows for ARM is something I'm sure many pros also need answered before they'd entertain making the switch.

 

[kingtj1971]

https://www.apple.com/shop/mac/accessories/mac-components?page=1&s=priceHL

This is such a weird page to scroll through $1000 stands, $300 feet, $700 wheels, $70 hard drive cables, $2800 SSD kits.

It's like when once a year, I get drunk and browse the Porsche vehicle configurator page and look at the options and start to think "$8,000 for a radio seems like a fair price"

Sadly, I have to agree 100%. And I'm one of the people who used to fully support Apple's higher pricing for their "Pro" equipment in the past (and even bought some of it). The new Mac Pro is just stupid expensive though. If you do work on one that earns you enough money, you can obviously cost-justify it. But at some point, it just becomes a situation where it's clear they want to create artificial price barriers to keep everyone else away from it, rather than the dollar figure being truly justified by what you're receiving for it.

 

[avkills]

Sadly, I have to agree 100%. And I'm one of the people who used to fully support Apple's higher pricing for their "Pro" equipment in the past (and even bought some of it). The new Mac Pro is just stupid expensive though. If you do work on one that earns you enough money, you can obviously cost-justify it. But at some point, it just becomes a situation where it's clear they want to create artificial price barriers to keep everyone else away from it, rather than the dollar figure being truly justified by what you're receiving for it.

Well somewhat in Apple's defense, Intel charges a **** load for the W-series Xeon CPUs; the prices are way out of line compared to what else is on the market, ie AMD Epyc and Threadripper. The only conclusion I can come to is that Apple must somehow heavily rely on AVX512 or there is some BS contract between Apple and Intel. There is really no reason why Apple should not be using AMD CPUs instead.

I know most here want a Apple Tower using i7s and i9s with 2-3 PCI Slots; coming in < $3000, but that is never going to happen. What could happen is Apple Silicon coming in around those price points -- hard to say though.

 

[InuNacho]

Clearly there's a market for these among the pro's who use them, but Apple needs to really get the Apple Silicon out for the pro markets. The proof-of-concept consumer machines are out and basically proven with no major bugs. Time to give us 16" MBP, iMac Pro, Mac Pro with Apple Silicon.

Lol, check out the Mac Mini section. We're loaded with issues related to M1 and some will undoubtedly never be fixed.

 

[Scoob Redux]

https://www.apple.com/shop/mac/accessories/mac-components?page=1&s=priceHL

This is such a weird page to scroll through $1000 stands, $300 feet, $700 wheels, $70 hard drive cables, $2800 SSD kits.

It's like when once a year, I get drunk and browse the Porsche vehicle configurator page and look at the options and start to think "$8,000 for a radio seems like a fair price"

Personally, I've got my eye on the $1040 carbon fiber cover for the owner's manual

 

[FightTheFuture]

It's chicken and egg then.

Who's going to develop software for pros if they're all still on Intel?

The devs will if there’s money to be made. Charge for M1 updates and it’s a whole new cycle.

 

[adamjackson]

Sadly, I have to agree 100%. And I'm one of the people who used to fully support Apple's higher pricing for their "Pro" equipment in the past (and even bought some of it). The new Mac Pro is just stupid expensive though. If you do work on one that earns you enough money, you can obviously cost-justify it. But at some point, it just becomes a situation where it's clear they want to create artificial price barriers to keep everyone else away from it, rather than the dollar figure being truly justified by what you're receiving for it.

It looks like a high-end fashion catalogue where T-shirts are $250 and I'm not sad or upset or feel compelled to complain about it..I just close the book and realize that there are people way richer than me.

The thing is, there's "Professional" products like a $25,000 mixing board someone puts in a studio and then there's $700 for 4-wheels for a computer. This pricing is neither 'high fashion' or 'professional' it's just Apple and its own gravitational pull of what they think things should cost.

 

[jjjoseph]

“Apple says customers can install up to two of the modules in a Mac Pro using Infinity Fabric Link technology for enhanced multi-GPU performance in applications like Final Cut Pro”

That much GPU power for Final Cut Pro?? That is like cleaning a gutter with a nuclear warhead.

 

[gugy]

It would appear you two have no clue about the cost of truly professional gear used by real professionals.

Yep, these post houses or high-end pros charge a fortune for their talent and equipment usage. Hollywood and Madison Ave. can easily afford this.
Most folks here have no clue how expensive high-end production can cost.

 

[DEMinSoCAL]

Sadly, I have to agree 100%. And I'm one of the people who used to fully support Apple's higher pricing for their "Pro" equipment in the past (and even bought some of it). The new Mac Pro is just stupid expensive though. If you do work on one that earns you enough money, you can obviously cost-justify it. But at some point, it just becomes a situation where it's clear they want to create artificial price barriers to keep everyone else away from it, rather than the dollar figure being truly justified by what you're receiving for it.

No, it's the pressure to keep making RECORD PROFITS every single quarter to keep stockholders happy. It's incredibly difficult to make record profits when you sell things at reasonable prices.

 

[typecase]

Sadly, I have to agree 100%. And I'm one of the people who used to fully support Apple's higher pricing for their "Pro" equipment in the past (and even bought some of it). The new Mac Pro is just stupid expensive though. If you do work on one that earns you enough money, you can obviously cost-justify it. But at some point, it just becomes a situation where it's clear they want to create artificial price barriers to keep everyone else away from it, rather than the dollar figure being truly justified by what you're receiving for it.

Exactly this; There does seem to be an artificial price barrier to their Pro products. Apple Watch Edition and ultrahigh priced MPs with $700 wheels are the new legacy of this company and I hate it. It would be great if they made a $2800 Mac Pro like they used to that had expansion slots so you could upgrade the video card, hard drive and RAM but it seems an anathema to the new leadership and whoever is in charge of hardware these days. Buy it, upgrade and throw away. It honestly makes their environmental push seem like BS marketing because they do things to make the products unusable after a certain time. Making everything propietary like it used to be before in the old days (Like Apple's Silicon), also will increase, not decrease, costs because there is effectively no way to compare anything in the machine to what's available in the general PC market. Faster, smaller but definitely not cheaper unfortunately.

 

[Colonel Blimp]

Rounded prices are a sign that things are too expensive, like the $2800, it becomes ridiculous when prices are even more rounded, like the $5000 and $6000 cards.

Really? So if Apple had instead priced these cards at $2,799, and $4,999, and $5,999, you might have thought, “These must be exactly the right prices for these products”?

When I see a something priced at, say, $5,999, I have an entirely different reaction: irritation that a company thinks its customers are so stupid as to think, “What a relief! I thought I was going to have to pay six grand for this, but it turns out I can get it for only $5,999! What a bargain!”

(Of course, nowadays companies often have to price their products that way just to avoid them being sorted into a higher bracket online. “Hey Siri, show me all graphics cards priced under six thousand dollars.” But the sad fact is that companies were pricing products that way even before the days of online searches. “Buy your gasoline here for only $4.0999 a gallon!”)

 

[JippaLippa]

Pros don’t want Apple silicon until the software is there. It’s not and won’t be for a while.

Adobe is slowly but FINALLY making their apps apple silicon native.

At the moment we have Photoshop, Lightroom, Illustrator, Audition, Premiere Pro, Indesign and Media Encoder.

Personally I can't wait for the After Effects apple silicon beta, which will come around october, when the next stable release will be made available during Adobe Max.

They took their sweet time, but I can see the whole creative cloud ecosystem 100% apple silicon native by march 2022.

Davinci Resolve and Final Cut are already apple silicon native and in the 3D world Cinema 4D and Blender are.

Once Maya, Houdini, Nuke and most DAWs will be apple silicon native, most of the software used in the media industry will be apple silicon native.
I can't wait to get the After Effects Apple silicon beta and new M1x/M2 chips later this year.

 

[matthazz]

Well somewhat in Apple's defense, Intel charges a **** load for the W-series Xeon CPUs; the prices are way out of line compared to what else is on the market, ie AMD Epyc and Threadripper. The only conclusion I can come to is that Apple must somehow heavily rely on AVX512 or there is some BS contract between Apple and Intel. There is really no reason why Apple should not be using AMD CPUs instead.

I know most here want a Apple Tower using i7s and i9s with 2-3 PCI Slots; coming in < $3000, but that is never going to happen. What could happen is Apple Silicon coming in around those price points -- hard to say though.

With some work you can have the <$3000 Mac Pro, it's just a Hackintosh I'd have bought an M1X MBP if they existed, and Adobe Creative Cloud was M1 native. But neither of those things have happened... Just before the computer parts prices went crazy in March I built a 10 core i9 with 64GB 3200mhz ram, two nvme drives, and an RX 580. My wifi and Bluetooth work flawlessly with all the apple services. I have 3 PCIe slots open and can add one of the 6800 XTs once the prices drop to normal. And can add another 64GB of ram, and add 2 more 3.5 in drives. But I traded about a week of my time for the $4000 price difference of a similar spec Mac Pro.

 

[jerryk]

About the cost scalpers want for GPU's...

$1000 monitor stands are also available from Apple.

 

[JosephAW]

I spent that much on my G5 back in 2005.

 

[ellsworth]

$6000 huh, wow... should come with an oscar nomination on the side.

 

[NT1440]

No, it's the pressure to keep making RECORD PROFITS every single quarter to keep stockholders happy. It's incredibly difficult to make record profits when you sell things at reasonable prices.

Mac Pros are a blip on the radar for revenue for Apple…

 

[blazerunner]

Who would be dumb enough to pay those prices? Just get a regular 6000 series card from Sapphire, Gigabyte or whoever.

Jesus christ, these prices are beyond insane and the cards themselves dont perform any better anyway.

 

[citysnaps]

This is such a weird page to scroll through $1000 stands, $300 feet, $700 wheels, $70 hard drive cables, $2800 SSD kits.

No worries...there are loads of wannabe pros here weighing in on what true professionals need and how Apple is screwing it up for them bigly.

 

[subi257]

$6000 huh, wow... should come with an oscar nomination on the side.

I guess you never priced a Quadro GV100 (NVIDIA® Quadro® GV100 (32 GB HBM2, 4x DisplayPort 1.4) Graphics) at $10,500.00

 

[jjjoseph]

Pros don’t want Apple silicon until the software is there. It’s not and won’t be for a while.

Avid, SideFX, Adobe, Autodesk.. Will all have native M1 eventually.. But Blackmagic Resolve is already there.. I use it on an M1 and in a lot of ways it is faster than my Workstation...

I want Apple to just take the MacPro tower and swap the Intel for Apple Silicon, keep everything else the same.. Form Factor, MPX, PCI-E, and TB3/USB. That would be a clean transition.. Just swap the OLD MPX on Intel and put in an Apple Silicon..

 

[hatchettjack]

the jealousy on this forum disturbs me!

 

[Cinematica]

Avid, SideFX, Adobe, Autodesk.. Will all have native M1 eventually.. But Blackmagic Resolve is already there.. I use it on an M1 and in a lot of ways it is faster than my Workstation...

I want Apple to just take the MacPro tower and swap the Intel for Apple Silicon, keep everything else the same.. Form Factor, MPX, PCI-E, and TB3/USB. That would be a clean transition.. Just swap the OLD MPX on Intel and put in an Apple Silicon..

The problem is, the big players like AVID take years to thoroughly address the problems in their software updates. They’re just so buggy and problematic on release. I’m not looking forward to any offices I work in switching over once the software becomes compatible with Silicon.

 

[Zdigital2015]

I guess you never priced a Quadro GV100 (NVIDIA® Quadro® GV100 (32 GB HBM2, 4x DisplayPort 1.4) Graphics) at $10,500.00

Lotta wannabe “Pros” here that would put a Corvette into a wall from the first red light launch after they left the dealer’s lot, but I digress.