AVkills, I'm actually really curious what your typical production work is with cards like these. Editing? Compositing?
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The AMD version of the W6800 is 2500 at BHPhoto, Apples is 2800. I am ok with a $300 Apple tax given the additional feature of the MPX model (TB ports, silent cooling, no power cables required). It's the price of the 6900 that I can't wrap my head around.
That’s the double edge sword of dealing with Pros. When stuff works, they don’t want to change their methods or processes. Hell, my Fox affiliate where I live is still broadcasting in 720p. In 2021?!? So, Apple pushes bounds with Apple Silicon and of course, Pros are going to complain the loudest. Whereas, MS simply bends over for the most part, Apple doesn’t, hence the wailing and gnashing of teeth in these forums. Last thing apple is going to do is let AVID, Adobe, et al. calling the shots on hardware.
Rounded prices are a sign that Apple wants them to appear expensive. They might sell a computer with inadequate specifications in its pricepoint starting at $9,999 but if that were the Apple Watch Edition that needs to be sold to fashionista at vogue, then its “Starting at $10,000”.
Somehow this conveys that “starting at 9,999” has a smaller scope and you count up in one/tenths/houndreadths at a time, while saying “starting at 10,000” implies that the next step is “11,000” then “12,000” and maybe thats why it appears more “luxe” or stuff, idk, but surely a fun topic
I think I like to read this forum for laughs..
Apple has gone back to defining “Pro” as it should and is…people complained Apple doesn’t care and deserted them, now they are catering again and the real non-Pros will always complain..
These pricing are normal in the real professional world. This is for the high end Pros who have a business with employees and buildings, payrolls, 401ks, org-charts etc. not the one who sits in their underwear late at night surfing YouTube for ideals so their channel can have more “thumps up” when they create or post something. Great for some who make some big cash on this, but not as many as people think.
I make money off of my Apple gear, but I am way out of this league. These prices were “normal” when I worked for a firm and I don’t even blink when I hear of these prices. Just love to see the tech and say, “what if I had..”
For those “pros” who are not at this league, a maxed out Mac mini M1 can do the job for your five minute videos or garage band songs that many will not see or hear or care, but you will feel like a “Pro” because you put together some sound bites and call it creating a song or feel like a director and create your B videos..
For all the “wish I could afford and have” they will always say: “Too expensive”, for those who these products are really for (and glad Apple is giving them options), they see it as a product producing expense that will pay for itself after whatever time they calculate paying it off to justify compare to their project(s) profit generation.
All consumers and pros at whatever level have a place now at Apple to go and buy and I am glad they are now going back to not blurring the lines with their products (home use, consumer to Students, semi-pro, to Pro.
My wallet and wife (not in that order) are happy when I can’t be tempted or try to figure out how to buy things I really don’t need in order to produce, but just want to have anyway “just in case I need it for something”…but that generally never happens..
So I will have to settle with a loaded M (whatever it is called) iMac probably in my future buying and call it a day..
What motivation does AMD have to release a W6700/W6600 with say 16GB/8GB for workstation class machines?
Well I get to play with a bunch of different stuff; but yes I do a lot of editing, some motion graphics + some 3D work; but I think the majority of use with the card will be testing playback in Millumin for driving very large LED walls for live shows (that is if we ever get to do them again...ok enough snark!) I also have the AfterBurner card in my sights, but need to see what the equipment vendors are doing. iMac Pros have worked really good; but a MacPro with a hefty GPU and an AfterBurner would be ideal. We use Barco E2s for LED/Screen management. Bromptom is the LED processor of choice we use. It would be nice to have some head room past 4 4k outputs at 59.94. We use the OWC Thunderbolt to dual DP adapters, which allow 2 4096x2160@59.94 per adapter if needed. We have used 2 adapters on iMac Pros before with good success. The AfterBurner card is more of a icing on the cake; not needed for editing, just something that can crunch a ton of ProRes files for playback, which Millumin supports.
I may dive back into Unreal again as this card will more than likely kill it for Unreal Engine 5. Going to be interesting to watch the virtual production/xR stage segment to see if people migrate to the Mac; although there are a lot of other considerations to consider also such as camera tracking and all that fun stuff. All of the virtual production workflow stuff is incredibly hard to wrap ones head around; unless you just get something turnkey. Right now I do not have time.
I also believe to get while the gettin' is good. GPUs are in short supply; I am actually amazed that Apple actually has them available this month (or they claim to at least.) Could be why AMD stock is low for the gaming cards.
I’m curious about the w6900x pricing compared to everything else. Something is odd.
maybe availability/ stock is so low they priced it high to keep it manageable Logistically? 6800 will be easier to bin. Sure, it’s the fastest single card, but not significant enough to justify the price delta.
it makes the w6800x duo look like a relative bargain!
maybe availability/ stock is so low they priced it high to keep it manageable Logistically? 6800 will be easier to bin. Sure, it’s the fastest single card, but not significant enough to justify the price delta.
it makes the w6800x duo look like a relative bargain!
So no fans drives the price up (LOL) and some extra thunderbolt ports makes it costs thousands make. Same chip, same drivers, just extra RAM.
Yeah, that sounds reasonable.
Workstation cards are always more than gaming cards; workstation cards also have ECC RAM which is more expensive. An MPX module is going to integrate better into a MacPro than the off the shelf AMD W6800 workstation card; I really do not know how many times this needs to be said. And really if you do not own a MacPro nor plan on getting one; then your opinion is pretty much dead on arrival; we've already proven that the prices are not really out line for workstation cards.
Nvidia Quadro RTX A6000 is anywhere between $5000-$6000 and has 48GB of RAM; another workstation card; damn shame it does not work under macOS.
Yeah, but most AU’s are not even Big Sur compatible let alone Apple Silicon Native.
Actually all I need / want is a Mac mini with a Ryzen 7 5700G, easily accessible SO-DIMM slots and a couple of M.2 NVME slots.
I currently use an i5 Space Grey mini for work at home but sometimes pop it into my bag to take to the office, which is cool because it's smaller and lighter than my laptop.
This hypothetical Ryzen mini would address all of my gripes (and negate the need for me to pack a portable SSD too), and would work today because some of my key tools don't work on Apple Silicon yet.
What are you talking about? Audio unlike Video and Photo was one of the applications that so far benefit least from Apple Silicon. Obviously not talking about Logic Pro here but other DAWs and the larger VST ecosystem. For example, CPU usage is sky high in Ableton with compared to the ********* Intel.
Now available at prices that would make scalpers blush!
On the bright side, you can by a regular RX 6000 series GPU and stick it in your mac if you need one, and now that Apple has officially produced/sold MPX modules for the Mac Pro you're guaranteed a good long life-span of official support.
(That said, experimental support isn't always terrible either, Apple never released a Mac with a "Fiji" R9 Fury/Nano, but they still work fine for the most part)
On the bright side, you can by a regular RX 6000 series GPU and stick it in your mac if you need one, and now that Apple has officially produced/sold MPX modules for the Mac Pro you're guaranteed a good long life-span of official support.
(That said, experimental support isn't always terrible either, Apple never released a Mac with a "Fiji" R9 Fury/Nano, but they still work fine for the most part)
That's the upgrade pricing. One is $5,000 minus $400 for the base card. Two is $10,000 minus $400 for the base card.
Apple is already doing better in GPU support than they did for the last generation MacPro. I don't think they ever released a single video card upgrade option beyond what it launched with, despite the fact the whole machine was built around the idea the GPUs will do the bulk of the computing. Which was sad.
I suspect we may see one of those next year be the baseline or +1 upgrade for the updated (W33xx-Series) Mac Pro, either later this year or early 2022.
I've been into some of those Chinese factories and they use economies of scake everywhere. In the vast majority of cases they are given a spec by A.N.Other and that soec of course will differ from customer to customer but if you think they will not standardise where possible, (and in reality in LOADS of instances across a huge range of products), I have a bridge to sell you.
A lot of those factorties don't make a complete product. Some for example specialise in PCBs. A PCB for a washing machine may be made with very similar materials on a line adjacent to the one that makes PCBs for a motor car and they are two completely separate applications.
I do however agree with your statement. I'd guess though that 'better binned' applies to a very specific part or small group of parts on that product? But...better is better.
It's the same loop that the poster I replied to was involved in.
What's a productin loop?
Very low volume stuff yes, is typically specialist. But not usually all of it. Parts of that specialist gear are quite often mass produced.