And maybe Asus or Gigabyte will build one for you that you can Hack macOS onto it easily, but Apple won’t be making anything with AMD CPUs inside. It’s Apple silicon or bust for them.
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Once upon a time I chased the graphics card upgrade demons to the ends of the earth.
I'm thankful I no longer need to. And so is my wallet.
I'm thankful I no longer need to. And so is my wallet.
There is a quantity/quality balance in pricing . The Mac Pro move in the tens of thousands exceptionally niche . The recovery margin certainly effects the price.
They have/had a pretty wide ranging line of workstation cards ranging from low end to high end last generation. The radeon pros IIRC
The noteworthy thing is that Apple releases a product like the dual-GPU card at all.
Volume must be minuscule by Apples standards. And the other side of that coin is that the target market must be really high priority.
Volume must be minuscule by Apples standards. And the other side of that coin is that the target market must be really high priority.
Probably not the M1‘s dedicated encoder is superb compared to AMD and Nvidia’s cards and uses less energy.
That's just insulting as a Pro Mac / Pro Apps user. The Pros are the last to get the fastest encoders. Which is kinda important for the workflow.
It's a little bit different, in my view though -- because while I don't feel any real need to buy a hugely overpriced t-shirt in some "high fashion" catalog? I actually *am* a computer enthusiast who was willing to pay more for a high-end "Pro" grade Mac system to use as my primary machine at home. When I paid the several thousand bucks for my 2006 Mac Pro tower, for example? I got enough use out of it so it was cost-justified. (The last year or two of its life was spent as a dedicated Plex media server running a DLP projector attached to it for a home theater in my basement.) The new Mac Pro marks the first time Apple slapped a real "fashion tax" on the machine, with these overpriced wheels for it and everything else.
These gpu significantly faster than the m1 macs when it comes to most heavier formats like raw, pro res, etc.
the m1 is faster in 4K 10 bit 422, like the canon r5. but when it comes to brute force that most formats require, Mac Pro still wins
I'm with you. From year 2000 to around 2016, I was giving apple about $6000 a year. iMac every 2 years, Pro notebook every 2 years, iPhone and iPad every year, maxed out machines, AppleCare Attach rates @ 100%, Apple only cases & accessories and regular pilgrimages to Cupertino for t-shirts and pens and coffee cups. I'm a fanboy....I'm also a "pro" in the computing sense. I don't make movies but I author a blog, podcast, YouTube channel, I'm a project manager and real estate agent. I push my computers pretty hard.
But I'm not going to pay $700 for wheels. That's a line I can't cross.
It’s not a mega difference. The Pros benefit from codecs that take advantage of more CPU cores than the M1 has. There are many professional video formats that the M1 doesn’t fully support decoding and encoding as fast as a beastly workstation.
And no one is forced to buy $700 wheels. It would be one thing if Apple forced you to buy the fixed feet or the wheels and they charge $300 for fixed feet. But they don't, the wheels are optional. Just like the XDR monitor stand. I wouldn't buy that stand, I would buy a high quality (~$200) VESA mount way before I even thought about the XDR stand. Both those accessories fall under the heading of "there is no such thing as bad publicity". Whether you subscribe to that philosophy is personal choice. We know Apple does at this point.
As a fanboy and having given Apple a LOT of money over the last 20 years, I am entitled to criticize them on a public forum for their absurd 'pro' pricing.
As a pro myself, I also don't need a Mac Pro or its power but I would like a tower that is more affordable. When I bought a Dual G4 PowerMac for $1999 15 years ago, that was affordable and that Studio display came with a stand and speakers. I just want a tower from Apple that isn't as expensive.
I’ve given Apple plenty of my time and money since 1989. The pricing is only absurd if apple doesn’t sell any of them, meaning the market will speak. Perhaps Apple doesn’t care and simply priced it as they saw fit.
It has been almost a decade since the last Gen Mac Pro was released (ignoring the 2019 model) in the sub $3K price range. Apple is simply not interested in creating a $2K slot box, be it Intel or ARM.
I will agree that the MacPro is expensive and it would great to have a i7/i9 based Mac Pro in the sub $5k range. But buy any other PC with the same CPUs as the current/to be announced MacPro and it is going to be around the same price or more. Intel is to blame for the sky high price because they charge OEMs a **** load for those Xeon CPUs.
A 3245M (same CPU as in my MacPro); fetches around $5000-$6000 from Newegg. So for volume sake, let's say Apple probably gets them for around $3000-$4000. Still hefty Apple Tax, but they also have a totally custom motherboard; and the case design was very well thought out.
A 3245M (same CPU as in my MacPro); fetches around $5000-$6000 from Newegg. So for volume sake, let's say Apple probably gets them for around $3000-$4000. Still hefty Apple Tax, but they also have a totally custom motherboard; and the case design was very well thought out.
The stupid thing is about the stand is that they announced that as separate at the launch event - If they use said the XDR cost $6K and then when you ordered you had the option to remove it and have a nice $1k Discount it wouldn't have been an issue. But yes... it certainly made Tech Headlines!
I have some speaker Stands that cost £1300 Each. Ceiling lamps that cost £500 and a Desk that cost £4K all of which could have been functionally solved with Ikea stuff for £20, £40 and £200 respectively.
I just want to know what is going to happened with apple silicon, Mac Pros and PICE slots.
Will there be discrete GPUs? the good thing is Metal Drivers offer a independent layer that should allow that at least?
Will I be able to add NVME via PCIE or Specialist cards ( depending on Drivers )
Or RAM for that matter.
All these HALF size Pro Apple silicon renders seem to imply that they'd go back to on chip GPU and No PCIE which is where they went wrong with the 2013 Pro.
Will there be discrete GPUs? the good thing is Metal Drivers offer a independent layer that should allow that at least?
Will I be able to add NVME via PCIE or Specialist cards ( depending on Drivers )
Or RAM for that matter.
All these HALF size Pro Apple silicon renders seem to imply that they'd go back to on chip GPU and No PCIE which is where they went wrong with the 2013 Pro.
The 2013 MacPro did not have on-chip GPUs, but dual AMD FirePro GPUs. But it also did not have traditional PCI slots either. Apple really went wrong with that design I agree.
Perhaps Apple is going to keep the Intel based MacPro for a lot longer than we anticipate; while also offering a Apple silicon based one as well. It will be interesting to see what they do; because I do not see how they can make a Apple Silicon based MacPro that does not have PCI based expansion; and not have the Pro based get pissed off again.
Perhaps Apple is going to keep the Intel based MacPro for a lot longer than we anticipate; while also offering a Apple silicon based one as well. It will be interesting to see what they do; because I do not see how they can make a Apple Silicon based MacPro that does not have PCI based expansion; and not have the Pro based get pissed off again.