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We say this, now, but give it a few years. iOS will eventually have multi-monitor and multi-user support, beefier hardware, and more pro apps.
If you’re basically going to turn iPadOS (back) into MacOS+touch UI—or if everybody’s using a mouse and keyboard on a tablet computer, vs a mouse and keyboard on a desktop or laptop computer—what has been gained? You might as well just run MacOS on an iPad.
 
No one argues that the iPad cannot be a replacement for a text editor when you use an external keyboard and a pointing device. It can also be a replacement of a paper notepad and a pencil/pen. Once you go beyond that, the productivity of the iPad follows the laws of diminishing returns. It is a lot easier to work with spreadsheets on a computer, one can’t run a serious compiler on the iPad, system administration of computer systems from the iPad is frustrating, etc.

iPad can certainly replace a computer for most consumers, but it’s far from replacing a computer in most professional applications.
I don't know about "most". But there always will be certain professionals for whom the computer is a better device to work.
 
On a side note, I won’t be surprised if iPads are the surprise hit during this COVID-19 period. With more people being made to stay at home, an ipad is a cheap way of accessing the internet and engaging in HBL tasks for children, as well as occupying them during this time (especially with Apple Arcade and family sharing).

For me, I have been using my ipad to help record screencasts for my students, while replaying Grimvalor. I think all this talk of the ipad not being able to replace a PC in its entirety really misses the point. I have an iMac and an iPad Pro and while neither clearly replaces the other, each has their own respective role in my computing life and complement each other really well.
 
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Well, it is, sorta. Intel meets with Apple years in advance, Intel provides the roadmap giving Apple assurances that they will have processors that can suit their future computers on the dates that they have indicated, then Apple builds systems to meet those requirements. Unfortunately, if Intel doesn’t meet their goals, then Apple has designed a system that Intel doesn’t have a chip to drive.
That decision process is pure speculation. Regardless, Apple's decisions are Apple's responsibilities.
Macs at their lofty prices have never been for average consumers.
When you put aside all the mythos that surrounds them, it turns out Macs are just PCs that run a proprietary OS. So yes, their "lofty prices" are not for the average user because the average user is not buying a badge but a tool to do a job.
 
I'd actually be OK with a 14" for $100 more than what it's priced right now. 15" gets a little big (although they could go truly edge to edge and not add any additional size to the current shell).

Not really, 15” Macbook Air is not much bigger and can be competitively priced.
 
That decision process is pure speculation. Regardless, Apple's decisions are Apple's responsibilities.

When you put aside all the mythos that surrounds them, it turns out Macs are just PCs that run a proprietary OS. So yes, their "lofty prices" are not for the average user because the average user is not buying a badge but a tool to do a job.

Disagree: Macs, especially MacBook laptops became a fashion item as they became thinner and smaller. Many people could have just bought cheaper PC equivalents instead. Now these people are buying iPads because all they need is a web browser to play their facebook games, email and messaging app for their emoji fix.
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If you’re basically going to turn iPadOS (back) into MacOS+touch UI—or if everybody’s using a mouse and keyboard on a tablet computer, vs a mouse and keyboard on a desktop or laptop computer—what has been gained? You might as well just run MacOS on an iPad.

Apple have gained a walled garden that they control, while the consumer has gained little.
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That is relatively easy to fix:

They could either simply port the development tools to another platform, either Windows or a flavor of Linux.

Apart from Xcode, the vast majority of development tools can be found on Linux, or Windows. A developer using a Mac to develop non-specific Mac / iOS applications can already move to Linux with very little effort.


They could also offer cloud services for developers: All development work would happen on Apple-hosted machines, there wouldn't be a local installation of the development tools anymore -- after all, that's what real cloud computing is all about.

Back to the mainframe computer where all end user computers are just dumb terminals, which is already happening, once again.
 
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I don't understand the logic behind wanting more frequent hardware updates. Sure, we might see a 5-20% performance boost on some tasks, but we are talking about a device with an effective lifespan of 6 to 10 years. This is double what other Window's devices get, and far longer than consumption-first platforms. I get that it sucks if you need a new mac and your option is to buy a device that was released 2 years ago, but even in that situation you are going to get more productivity out of it than a newly released Windows machine.
It won’t be a problem if the price goes down as it ages. But that’s not the case. You still pay full price for the old hardware.
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I’m not sure the article provides enough evidence that that is the case. We know Mac shipments are down 21%, but I don’t think we can say for certain why. If it were a supply issue alone, why would Mac shipments be down 21% while other manufacturers are down less than 8% overall? Aren’t the other computers manufactured in China as well?
May be it’s 21% of 100 (=21) and 8% of 250 (=20)?
 
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I am not sure Intel pays much attention to them.
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That decision process is pure speculation. Regardless, Apple's decisions are Apple's responsibilities.
If you’ve spent any time in any large organization, that decision process is pretty much basic business 101. Find out what your suppliers can supply, then build according to those specifications. Apple’s decision was to go with Intel and Apple are absolutely responsible for that (in hindsight) bad decision.
 
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Let's see if the new Air and the upcoming new 13" Pro breathes new life onto the product cycle.
 
the iPad Pro 3rd gen refurbished is a better buy than Macbook Air whose target market will suffice

better screen, better performance, better speakers, better portability, better software.
 
Apple's roadmap is not Intel's responsibility.

Everybody else is managing OK (relatively). Under the hood, there's no significant difference between a Mac and a PC. Both will happily run Windows and Unix. The only reason you don't see macOS on PCs is licensing.

Touché. That's why some people go to all the trouble of the Hackintosh route.
 
Well, again, instead of writing Latex code on my Macbook Pro, which is a computer, I write into the iPad with pencil, use recognition that automatically changes it into Latex code.
Sorry guys for going too much off-topic, but could you (iBug2) please tell me which apps you use to do it?
 
Well at least from the software support perspective I find that claim a little suspicious. For after all, my previous mid 2011 Mac mini stopped getting major macOS updates two versions ago and it's stuck at High Sierra. Sure, Apple still releases some security updates for High Sierra, but there are examples of cases where only the latest macOS version gets properly patched if Apple deems the fix to "take too much work" to backport to older systems. This happened with the rootpipe vulnerability when only the then-current Yosemite got patched. At that point I made a mental note of any Mac system I control needing to be replaced when it's out of mainstream support. So that Mini got an effective lifespan of just a little bit over 7 years while many similarly aged or even older Windows systems still got the latest Windows 10.

This shortened software support combined with more and more components being soldered down to make the devices pretty much unrepairable let alone expandable has lead to many Macs becoming rather disposable machines especially in a connected environment where you can't really run software that has known unpatched vulnerabilities.

Doesn't your example of a 2011 mac mini fall in the 6-10 year range? Can you give me an example of an OEM entry level windows PC that is running the newest version of Windows 10? Sure, you might be able to install the newest build, but that doesn't mean the Dell or HP is supporting it.
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It won’t be a problem if the price goes down as it ages. But that’s not the case. You still pay full price for the old hardware.

Why would the price on the most recent model need to go down? They subsidize early adopters with increased profit later in the devices lifespan. This is in opposition to selling it at higher initial prices and than lowering it as it ages.
 
Disagree: Macs, especially MacBook laptops became a fashion item as they became thinner and smaller. Many people could have just bought cheaper PC equivalents instead. Now these people are buying iPads because all they need is a web browser to play their facebook games, email and messaging app for their emoji fix.
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Apple have gained a walled garden that they control, while the consumer has gained little.
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Apart from Xcode, the vast majority of development tools can be found on Linux, or Windows. A developer using a Mac to develop non-specific Mac / iOS applications can already move to Linux with very little effort.




Back to the mainframe computer where all end user computers are just dumb terminals, which is already happening, once again.
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Please. F****** just leave the Apple universe and go to Windows already. You are in a personal crisis state
 


Apple's Mac shipments are estimated to have been down over 20 percent in the first quarter of 2020, according to new data shared by Canalys this week. The shuttering of businesses and factories around the world has caused "severe delay in production and logistical issues", leading to a worldwide PC shipment fall of eight percent year on year.

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Top vendor rankings remained stable, with Lenovo continuing to lead the PC market with 12.8 million units shipped. HP came second with 11.7 million units, followed by Dell with 10.5 million units.

Apple shipped an estimated four million Macs in the first quarter of 2019, dropping to 3.2 million in the first quarter of 2020, a decline of 21 percent. This is a greater year-over-year decline than seen by any of the other top five vendors, including Lenovo, HP, Dell, and Acer.

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In spite of falling shipments, demand has soared in the first quarter of 2020, driven by remote working and learning requirements from strict lockdown measures across the world. Canalys predicts that vendors will report healthy profits over the coming weeks, with operating margin percentages reaching all-time highs.

Canalys also notes that "many other home technologies" have seen major growth amid the shift to working and learning from home. This includes headphones, webcams, printers, and monitors, as well as home-working software solutions for collaboration, virtual desktops, remote access, and security. Apple, however, does not produce products for many of these categories.

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According to Canalys analyst Ishan Dutt, PC industry demand is unlikely to remain as strong as it was in the first quarter.Canalys data is based on supply chain analysis and consumer surveys. Apple no longer discloses ?iPhone?, iPad, and Mac sales, which means that analyst estimates cannot be confirmed by specific sales data.

Article Link: Mac Shipments Estimated to Be Down Over 20% While Demand Surges in Q1 2020
The only reason why i still use Mac computers is iOS development, in the past couple of years the MacBook Pro 13" used to have tons of problems with the keyboard and most important with the flat cable the so called "Flexgate" issue. Other than that the processors on the 13" are similar to those found on the 600$ laptops. I am from Europe and Apple products here are even more expensive. 8th gen cpu in 2020 and only 8GB ddr3 ? It has similar performance to my acer laptop from 2015 and sometimes my acer works better. The same screen same desing since 2016, other companies are offering similar features for less money.
 
Apple, just offer me a Mac mini or MacBook Pro with a Nvidia RTX GPU and CUDA for a reasonable price and I'll gladly buy it.
The decrease on Mac shipments is mostly due to USD exchange rate. Cheaper PCs also had a price increase, but they're affordable enough for new adopters of working at home.
 
If you’ve spent any time in any large organization, that decision process is pretty much basic business 101. Find out what your suppliers can supply, then build according to those specifications. Apple’s decision was to go with Intel and Apple are absolutely responsible for that (in hindsight) bad decision.
As opposed to sticking with G5 chips? I don’t they had a choice back then.
 
As opposed to sticking with G5 chips? I don’t they had a choice back then.
Back then, Apple may not have had any alternative other than Intel. Even as recently as a few years ago, there may not have been a sensible/viable other option (as AMD’s mobile solutions were lacking). If Intel continues to be a bad decision and Apple continues to go with Intel, then it’s true that it’s Apple’s responsibility.
 
Back then, Apple may not have had any alternative other than Intel. Even as recently as a few years ago, there may not have been a sensible/viable other option (as AMD’s mobile solutions were lacking). If Intel continues to be a bad decision and Apple continues to go with Intel, then it’s true that it’s Apple’s responsibility.

The customers are not stupid, Apple will likely continue to lose tremendous amount of sales if the customers can't have an option to buy macs with ZEN 2.
 
Not a chance. They need the Mac to develop for those platforms.

It isn't that they need the Mac to develop for iOS, it is just that Xcode has not been produced for iOS. It will happen as it was once that a Mac was needed to do video editing.
 
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