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I remember getting my 5s and thinking "this is like jewelry".
The polished chamfered edges were just amazing.

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I loved that phone. Perfect size and well designed. I’d forgotten about the gold/white (went for the slate/black) I even didn’t mind iOS 7 and would take iOS 7-18 over this mess any day. It was “cleaner”.

Eta even the font 😭
 
Doh! Yes, I meant to say Max. With the current lead time of several months on the M4 Max MacStudio, that leaves the M4 Max MacStudio in an awkward state of limbo where it's technically not discontinued, but practically impossible to purchase. So, any news of the M5 version would be especially welcome.
Yeah, it seems like such a dead product for now with the lead times AND price bumps they just did it would be insane to order one now unless you absolutely needed it… I was really hoping they would announce/release the M5 variants at WWDC, even if they where going to be in short supply for now. I just wanted to get my order in the queue at least even if it would still be a couple months before I could expect delivery, at least I wouldn’t be buying the outgoing model.
 
I remember when Tim Cook promised less expensive Apple Silicon systems during the announced switch from Intel.

Of course, that never happened and now with AI technocrats we can have the same systems for thirty to forty percent more. I can’t wait to sell a kidney when it comes time to update my M Ultra.
As someone that purchased a 2019 Mac Pro, close to $10K with just a 16-Core Xeon, 96GB of RAM, 1TB of SSD, and one Radeon Pro Vega II without the Afterburner card, I sold that system a month before I purchased a 14” 2021 MacBook Pro with an M1 Max, 64GB of RAM, and 2TB of SSD for under $4K and this *laptop* ran laps around that Mac Pro despite releasing less than 2 years later. The M1 Max basically had an Afterburner card built in and twice the available VRAM, in a laptop. You couldn’t even compare it to the latest Intel i7 MacBook Pro at the time, this first generation chip had already caught up to the third-fastest Intel Mac ever released at less than half the price.

Apple Silicon systems have been ridiculously more affordable, anyone who argues otherwise needs to remember the jet engine fans that went full tilt on every spec’d out Intel iMac, MacBook Pro, and MacBook Air that struggled with Google Chrome tabs. The only Intel system that didn’t, the 2019 Mac Pro, required a huge chassis and three fans the size of softballs to keep it cool, just for middling performance gains in contrast to the top of the line 2013 Mac Pro trash can. In six years the Mac Pro had barely doubled its performance between generations but doubled in price.

You can legitimately edit 8K video on an M1 Pro Mac Mini or an M2 MacBook Air, any price vs performance argument with Intel systems is absurd.
 
As someone that purchased a 2019 Mac Pro, close to $10K with just a 16-Core Xeon, 96GB of RAM, 1TB of SSD, and one Radeon Pro Vega II without the Afterburner card, I sold that system a month before I purchased a 14” 2021 MacBook Pro with an M1 Max, 64GB of RAM, and 2TB of SSD for under $4K and this *laptop* ran laps around that Mac Pro despite releasing less than 2 years later. The M1 Max basically had an Afterburner card built in and twice the available VRAM, in a laptop. You couldn’t even compare it to the latest Intel i7 MacBook Pro at the time, it had already caught up to the fastest Intel chip at less than half the price.

Apple Silicon systems have been ridiculously more affordable, anyone who argues otherwise needs to remember the jet engine fans that went full tilt on every spec’d out Intel iMac, MacBook Pro, and MacBook Air that struggled with Google Chrome tabs. The only Intel system that didn’t, the 2019 Mac Pro, required a huge chassis and three fans the size of softballs to keep it cool, just for middling performance gains in contrast to the top of the line 2013 Mac Pro trash can. In six years the Mac Pro had barely doubled its performance between generations but doubled in price.

You can legitimately edit 8K video on an M2 MacBook Air and an M1 Pro Mac Mini, any price vs performance argument with Intel systems is absurd.
No one is arguing those fair points. Cook stated AS would be cheaper. So far we had one base spec Mac mini and a fully specced out Mac Pro as rebuttals, which neglects the majority in between which haven’t.

The 27” 5K iMac was replaced by a 24” 4K at a higher price. If you wanted a 27” 5k iMac, you now need a 27” Studio Display at $1599 (which was the price of a base 27” 5K iMac) plus a Mac Mini or Mac studio for double the price minimum.

That’s not cheaper. At all. Of course there will be outliers but for the average consumer and prosumer, the prices went up. Now they’re astronomical.

At least with Intel Mac’s you could upgrade components and get more life out of it. With everything soldered in on SoC’s, it’s disposable tech at thousands.

Btw that AfterBurner card ran you a good portion of that Intel Mac Pro. As someone who owned every Xeon Westmere Mac Pro then 2013 Mac Pro, I’m loving my Mac Studio Ultra. Yet it’s a non user upgradeable system without slots that requires external devices to achieve anywhere near the same capabilities so let’s be honest in our comparisons as you’re leaving a lot out. These are also edge use cases and not the general instance.
 
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It is clear that there will be M5 Max and M5 Ultra Mac Studios. The questions are when and for how much.

It makes a lot of sense to skip the M6 line for this product at this point, though. Just as they partially skipped with no M4 Ultra (though the M3 Ultra had some arched advancements beyond the M3 base line).

At this point, I hope they just update the minis and iMacs directly to the M6. It may mean no M6 Pro for the mini, but they don’t seem to have enough node and RAM capacity for everything anyway.
 
It is clear that there will be M5 Max and M5 Ultra Mac Studios. The questions are when and for how much.

It makes a lot of sense to skip the M6 line for this product at this point, though. Just as they partially skipped with no M4 Ultra (though the M3 Ultra had some arched advancements beyond the M3 base line).

At this point, I hope they just update the minis and iMacs directly to the M6. It may mean no M6 Pro for the mini, but they don’t seem to have enough node and RAM capacity for everything anyway.
It seems Apple is adopting a tick tock model with the M Ultra. So far we have the 1 and 3 and quite likely the 5. Makes sense given the niche market esp now.
 
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No one is arguing those fair points. Cook stated AS would be cheaper. So far we had one base spec Mac mini and a fully specced out Mac Pro as rebuttals, which neglects the majority in between which haven’t.

The 27” 5K iMac was replaced by a 24” 4K at a higher price. If you wanted a 27” 5k iMac, you now need a 27” Studio Display at $1599 (which was the price of a base 27” 5K iMac) plus a Mac Mini or Mac studio for double the price minimum.

That’s not cheaper. At all. Of course there will be outliers but for the average consumer and prosumer, the prices went up. Now they’re astronomical.

At least with Intel Mac’s you could upgrade components and get more life out of it. With everything soldered in on SoC’s, it’s disposable tech at thousands.

So your one sticking point is the screen? Choosing a Studio Display is a preference, and like the other Apple displays of yore it’s just as overpriced in keeping with the typical Apple tax. If your argument is customization you could get a cheaper 27” 5K screen from a different brand and get the Mac Mini with a base AS chip, and it would smoke a 5K iMac and pace with an AS 24” iMac.

The AS systems offer more flexibility for workload requirements because they’re so powerful at a baseline, it comes down to ergonomics and portability choices instead of choices based on performance since even the cheapest Mac outside the Neo can handle any every day task you throw at it with little difficulty. You could probably hook up the top spec Neo to a decent screen and achieve comparable performance to many of those 5K iMac systems at the same price point.

The Intel systems could have RAM increased after the fact, for sure. So that does require a buyer to pony up front for the future use case for AS, but on the other hand the RAM is more efficient and also includes your VRAM so you could do far more with less memory to begin with.

Since even the baseline AS chips are already overkill for most every day tasks, even high end photo editing, unless you have a professional workload the stock memory configuration is more than adequate as every day tasks are coded more efficiently over time, not less so, and would be less demanding on your system. If you think you might need more memory in the future that probably means you require more performance in the first place, in which case why would you ever settle for less memory for your workload when you bought the Mac?
 
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If your argument is customization you could get a cheaper 27” 5K screen from a different brand
Your telling him to get a cheaper screen from another brand because the apple one is too expensive. You’re literally proving his point.
 
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Your telling him to get a cheaper screen from another brand because the apple one is too expensive. You’re literally proving his point.
Yup and I was simply comparing Apple’s to apple’s on actual hardware price-points and specs. I didn’t bother reading past the first sentence as I’m exhausted by it all. They’re now bringing in non Apple hardware to make a point. I’m too old for online arguments that go nowhere when one person seems bent on being “right”. I don’t care.
 
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And “better price” for sure …
Lovely world of scams, thanks Samsung, Micron, SK Hynix, Nvidia , Scam Altman, Entropic and all old boomers in trap administration….
 
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I’m in the same boat that you are. I suspect that, depending on the price of the M5 Max Mac Studio, I may end up not replacing my M2 Max Mac Studio - ever. This update cycle was likely going to be my last at Apple’s Pro and Max level of devices. So I may just use my M5 Pro MacBook Pro as my main computer and forgo Mac desktops completely.

Yeah, we just replaced my (young professional aged) daughter's M1 Pro MBP with an M5 MBA, and at least on paper, the base M5 even in the no-fan MBA will beat the M1 pro across the board. She's a developer, Master's in machine learning and applied math, so she tends to run pretty heavy workloads, but the M1 Pro was running her work just fine - so when the screen cracked (noooooo!) we took a hard look and decided the M5 MBA would do the job just fine.

I was at the same time surprised to see how close a base M5 comes to matching my M3 Max MBP - it's a bit behind in multi-core and GPU, as you'd expect, but only 20% or so. I honestly hadn't realized how performant the M5 series was. Obviously, there's other differences, but it increasingly feels like I'll be buying base or Pro chips in the future, and Max will really only be for extreme users, while Ultra will remain 'money is no object' territory.
 
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It would instantly be the best Mac in a LONG time.

If I had to pick my very favorite Mac form factor of all time, it's absolutely that lamp iMac. I was just helping with a house clean out and got to play with one this weekend (not powered on) and it's just freakin' GENIUS industrial design.
Thermal was the issue on the day for the G4 lamp iMac. Looks-wise and display movement wise it was an inspired design decades ahead of its time. Thermal is no longer an issue now and even weight-wise there's the option to make the display much larger thanks to modern display tech. Today such a design would shine, even excel. Rather than the CD drive taking up all that space the computer now could be positioned low with PSU and fan above, topped off by a multi-directional speaker array. Or shape-wise the fan up top drawing that rising heat up and away, leaving more diameter below for a broader speaker setup might make sense if well placed internally.

Suggestion: I would disguise the whole computer hemisphere as a minimal speaker with seamlessly integrated ports in matching colour, offering the computer in white and 'midnight' (current HomePod colours). Elegant.

By sheer coincidence, I happen to have these two images handy:

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Mac studio with better cooling and suitable for AI is called the Mac Pro, with expandable RAM, SSD, etc. What a waste of opportunity on Apple’s side…
 
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Yeah, it seems like such a dead product for now with the lead times AND price bumps they just did it would be insane to order one now unless you absolutely needed it… I was really hoping they would announce/release the M5 variants at WWDC, even if they where going to be in short supply for now. I just wanted to get my order in the queue at least even if it would still be a couple months before I could expect delivery, at least I wouldn’t be buying the outgoing model.

The situation seems rather dire. With the exception of the lowest spec'd M4 Pro Mac Mini, Apple, for all practical purposes, currently has no desktop pro computer available for sale.
 
As someone that purchased a 2019 Mac Pro, close to $10K with just a 16-Core Xeon, 96GB of RAM, 1TB of SSD, and one Radeon Pro Vega II without the Afterburner card, I sold that system a month before I purchased a 14” 2021 MacBook Pro with an M1 Max, 64GB of RAM, and 2TB of SSD for under $4K and this *laptop* ran laps around that Mac Pro despite releasing less than 2 years later. The M1 Max basically had an Afterburner card built in and twice the available VRAM, in a laptop. You couldn’t even compare it to the latest Intel i7 MacBook Pro at the time, this first generation chip had already caught up to the third-fastest Intel Mac ever released at less than half the price.

Apple Silicon systems have been ridiculously more affordable, anyone who argues otherwise needs to remember the jet engine fans that went full tilt on every spec’d out Intel iMac, MacBook Pro, and MacBook Air that struggled with Google Chrome tabs. The only Intel system that didn’t, the 2019 Mac Pro, required a huge chassis and three fans the size of softballs to keep it cool, just for middling performance gains in contrast to the top of the line 2013 Mac Pro trash can. In six years the Mac Pro had barely doubled its performance between generations but doubled in price.

You can legitimately edit 8K video on an M1 Pro Mac Mini or an M2 MacBook Air, any price vs performance argument with Intel systems is absurd.
1. At the time Apple used outdated models of Intel chips for no apparent reason.
2. SSD tech at this time was advancing extremely fast
3. The advantage of Xeon chips is not in Geekbench scores. It's in the memory bandwidth, max amount of RAM, I/O performance etc. AS has been and remains far behind Xeons in the max RAM specs thus limiting their usefullness.
4. As good as AS grraphics is, it's nowhere near the NVIDIA GPUs.
 
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Yeah, we just replaced my (young professional aged) daughter's M1 Pro MBP with an M5 MBA, and at least on paper, the base M5 even in the no-fan MBA will beat the M1 pro across the board. She's a developer, Master's in machine learning and applied math, so she tends to run pretty heavy workloads, but the M1 Pro was running her work just fine - so when the screen cracked (noooooo!) we took a hard look and decided the M5 MBA would do the job just fine.

I was at the same time surprised to see how close a base M5 comes to matching my M3 Max MBP - it's a bit behind in multi-core and GPU, as you'd expect, but only 20% or so. I honestly hadn't realized how performant the M5 series was. Obviously, there's other differences, but it increasingly feels like I'll be buying base or Pro chips in the future, and Max will really only be for extreme users, while Ultra will remain 'money is no object' territory.
Another option might be the iMac with 32 GB of RAM… if Apple puts the M6 chip in it.
 
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