IvyKing
macrumors 6502a
As I mentioned on another thread, an ad in the February 1977 issue of BYTE magazine had a price of $295 for a 4KB board or 74$/KB. $6K for 128MB is about $48/MB, a factor of 1500 less.
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Mac studio might be delayed till October
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If the Studio is delayed to October, it'll be competing with NVIDIA Spark mini PCs. That might be a tough choice to make for me, depending on the reviews of the Sparks
MarkC426
macrumors 601
Things are BAD when even a Trillion Dollar company cannot source memory/storage manufacturers….. 😂
What I don’t understand is why you can get a mbP with 128GB ram in 4 weeks, but don’t even have the option on a Studio….🤔
What I don’t understand is why you can get a mbP with 128GB ram in 4 weeks, but don’t even have the option on a Studio….🤔
Because the ram isn't interchangeable between the M3 Ultra and M5 Max
I believe he's saying that if we can have 128GB M5 laptops, then we should be able to have 128GB M5 desktops. Is RAM interchangeable with M5 devices? In other words, is Apple redirecting RAM that would have been put into M5 Studios in favor of making more laptops?
chars1ub0w
macrumors 6502a
Right. I would guess the motherboard for a laptop is probably more complicated and expensive than the motherboard for a Mac Mini or Studio, e.g. wrt. integrating chips for the battery, laptop display and camera. And it has different physical constraints, e.g. fit in a narrow rectangular keyboard-wide space shared with fans, batteries and speakers. Otherwise, Apple could simply take same logic board and re-house it.
enricoclaudio
macrumors 6502a
I guess in a few hours we would know if a Mac Studio M5 is going to be announced. Just need to keep an eye in the Apple Store. If the Apple Store is shut down during early morning of June 8th, then new hardware is going to be announced!!
Pressure
macrumors 603
Those have been on the market for quite some time now. The DGX Spark was released last year.
It's the same chip.
Pressure
macrumors 603
I believe the ram in the max vs pro, as an example on the M5 side, are different and can't be interchanged on a whim.
I suspect Apple are stockpiling M5 memory for whichever configuration and memory bandwidth/speed they end up using for the studio refresh. Putting more effort into M3 Ultra ram at this stage probably isnt on the agenda as they move across to a newer chip.
If these were normal times then perhaps their supply chain sign off would've said 'carry on' to avoid the early discontinuation of configs, but as we all know, these are not normal times.
Tim Cook being supply chain guy 101 probably chose the lesser of two friction points and made the call to move concentration towards production of the new chips.
Rock and a hard place.
CWallace
macrumors G5
I presume Apple is "hoarding" RAM and NAND for the laptops because that is where 90+% of the sales are (they may also have higher margins than the desktops).
philipma1957
macrumors 604
Pressure
macrumors 603
philipma1957
macrumors 604
maybe not. maybe they can do just the macbook pros easy peasy. plus more profit and they did it for that and that alone. thus we have to wait til oct or nov or worse for new studios
chars1ub0w
macrumors 6502a
No. "... both the Mac mini and the Mac Studio represent just 1% of US Mac sales each." [AppleInsider]
For every Studio they sell, they sell 50 laptops. If you were Apple, you'd prioritize laptops too.
philipma1957
macrumors 604
i hate the internet but i get what you are saying. and why you did not get what i wrote.
let me try this way I rather sell a 4500 piece of gear to you every four years.
than a 5500 usd piece of gear to you every six years.
in 12 years i make 13500 in sales for the macbook pros
in 12 years i make 11000 in sales for the MacBook pros studio.
but i only meant sales to a person
as 13,500 and three sales is better than 11,000 in two sales over the same 12 years
i did not separate individual customer sales from all sales combined
and you thought About all sales combined.
more people buy a really good macbook pro
then people buy a really good mac studio is true.
and so is my idea
3 sales to an individual macbook pro buy in 12 years
vs 2 sales to an individual mac studion buyer in 12 years
chars1ub0w
macrumors 6502a
What do you mean by "a person"?
1 in 50 means the chance of a MacBook Pro owner also buying a Mac Studio is low.
It's not whether you buy a Studio or you buy a MacBook Pro (although some own both), essentially they're non-intersecting markets.
As for sales priority, it depends on markets. So no equation to solve or complex calculus is necessary.
For Apple, the markets in order of importance are (< = precedence):
iPhone (company depends on it to keep the lights on) < iPad < MacBook < Mini < Studio
A19 (TSMC N3P) < M5 (= A19 scaled-up).
A20 (TSMC N2) < M6 (= A20 scaled-up).
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CWallace
macrumors G5
A laptop brings in more revenue than a desktop because the ASP is higher. I would also not be surprised if it brought in more profit (via a higher margin). So even if people held on to their laptops exactly as long as they held on to their desktops, laptops generate more money so no surprise that is where Apple is focusing on.
Same reason they are dropping the lowest configurations of the desktops. They cannot sell as many desktops because they lack the chips (be it SoC, DRAM, NAND or a combination) so they are focusing on offering higher configurations to raise revenue and profits on each model they can sell to better match what their laptops are bringing in.
As for myself, I was going to replace my M2 Max Studio with an M5 Max Studio, but instead took advantage of the Amazon sales and bought a 14" M5 Pro MacBook Pro. This will now replace my M2 Max Studio, my 14" M1 Pro MacBook Pro and my 13" M1 Pro iPad Pro.
I could have waited for the M5 Studio because my M2 Studio was still fine for what I did and I rarely used my MacBook Pro nor my iPad Pro. However, with Apple raising the base storage of the M5 Max MacBook Pros from 1TB to 2TB and raising the price by the original $400 upgrade cost, I figured Apple would do the same with the M5 Studio and the entry level would be $2600 with 36GB of RAM and 2TB of storage and I do not need that much storage so I did not want to pay Apple's premium for it. I can live with 24GB of RAM in my M5 MBP and the 1TB of storage matched what my Studio and iPad had.
So I end up saving $600 plus whatever I can flog my other three machines for (and with prices rising and supply constraining, that may be more than I originally planned).
Same reason they are dropping the lowest configurations of the desktops. They cannot sell as many desktops because they lack the chips (be it SoC, DRAM, NAND or a combination) so they are focusing on offering higher configurations to raise revenue and profits on each model they can sell to better match what their laptops are bringing in.
As for myself, I was going to replace my M2 Max Studio with an M5 Max Studio, but instead took advantage of the Amazon sales and bought a 14" M5 Pro MacBook Pro. This will now replace my M2 Max Studio, my 14" M1 Pro MacBook Pro and my 13" M1 Pro iPad Pro.
I could have waited for the M5 Studio because my M2 Studio was still fine for what I did and I rarely used my MacBook Pro nor my iPad Pro. However, with Apple raising the base storage of the M5 Max MacBook Pros from 1TB to 2TB and raising the price by the original $400 upgrade cost, I figured Apple would do the same with the M5 Studio and the entry level would be $2600 with 36GB of RAM and 2TB of storage and I do not need that much storage so I did not want to pay Apple's premium for it. I can live with 24GB of RAM in my M5 MBP and the 1TB of storage matched what my Studio and iPad had.
So I end up saving $600 plus whatever I can flog my other three machines for (and with prices rising and supply constraining, that may be more than I originally planned).
If true total BS by Applenot having desktop flagship. What ever happened to Apple amassing a large quantity of RAM and Cook being the master of the supply chain? Apple is taking too long updating premier products.
I'm sure that they did. And people heard that and bought Macs like crazy and they probably exhausted their supply. I've heard that Apple's negotiated new contracts with suppliers at only double the price. And that they are looking at Chinese supplier CSMT for more. It's just a rough time out there for RAM and SSD.
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
This is was posted in AppleInsider and its from 2024, but I don't think the numbers have changed dramatically since then, and it fills in the colors of the picture you were painting The laptop segment of Macs is where Apple makes its money, and it makes sense for them to pour limited resources into.
Interesting that the Mac Pro had a larger market share compared than the Studio but was dropped in favor of the Studio.
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
I believe the exhibit is based on dollars, not unit sold. If that assumption is correct, then it sort of does make sense. Basically for every single mac pro sold, it would largely take 3 Mac Studios to achieve the same dollar amount (all things being equal). The higher end configs of the macpro exaggerate that disparity even further.
With that said, I too was surprised in all honesty.