If ARM Macs are not coming out until some time in 2021, there's a very good chance we won't see those hints until the next major release of macOS (10.16) at WWDC 2020.
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Mac With Apple-Designed Arm Processor Coming in First Half of 2021
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This. I understand Kuo is saying the product will ship in first half of 2021....
But I want to know when will it be announced? Normally Apple doesn't announce products before just before they ship... However, there are some exceptions, like when they need developers to prepare.
This is a significant change and Apple will want developers prepared by the time this product launches.
I was hoping it would be announced to developers at WWDC this year and still hope that... but that does seem a little early now.
Maybe towards the end of the year they will announce the APIs and other developer stuff.
Presumably whatever they did software-wise to allow easy administration of iPads can be done with Macs, too, and Arm is no particular hurdle.
I am going to get a new 16” MacBook Pro in mid-2020. If the news is true then it will be the second and the last MacBook Pro I bought with Intel processors. I agreed with someone else that Apple should maintain 2 product lines with Intel and ARM processors and have macOS capable to run on both hardware for at least 10 years. With the switch of the ARM processor, not only that we could not run Bootcamp anymore, it will also hinder people to run Windows VM using VMware Fusion, Parallels Desktop or Oracle Virtualbox. I am not so eager to see the switch of processor though.
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Probably not
This is true....and I will be sad about that.
However, I think most games that run on popular game engines like Unity and Unreal Engine will actually get increased performance.
And yea there are a lot of big titles these days that run on these engines. However, many that do not, and these games will not port, and this will be sad for people like me.
Definitely getting the 2020 Intel MBP then. There will inevitably be a transition phase, using a "rosetta"-like translation layer for old Intel apps, and it'll be couple years or so before things are basically ironed out. The 2020 MBP will be the calm before the storm, with a hopefully improved keyboard over the 2018 model I have. That alone will make it worth it.
10 years is a bit extreme. By then they may have moved on to SwiftOS
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yep. I’ll get one of each, probably. X86 for daily use, ARM for development and experimentation.
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People are already having a hard time accepting an ARM Mac and now you want to throw in another monkey wrench LOL
Exactly my thinking. What are your thoughts on what the new 2020 16” mbp could have? I’m not so sure, if they will implement a mini LED display, what do you think about the camera, wifi6 etc
Nobody here sees the obvious? Apple is going to a cloud computing business model and access to the great CPU in the sky will require an ARM device and a subscription. You can run any software you like on VMs for Mac OS, Windows, Linux, etc.
I know whats microcode, even we can update it, as I said, decoding a single instruction into many RISC is not thge only way, there's no silver-bullet ingoing risc if you dont process code quicker, few ASIC so some instruction decode and process it with data loaded along in the cache, only requiring another cycle to store the result, sometimes processing may time few more cycles to propagate, but allways 1 cycle and 1 or more instrucitons processed. that's Zen, ARM just do plain old pipeline prediction.
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I'm not retired .
All and everyone has its own justificatrion, absolutely none implies cpu platform, catalyst its both and startyegy to bring to macos ipad apps, as to buold an arm-friendly or arm-stable app ecosystem just in case they launch a dual cpu platform as MS, a solid coue would be seeing an ARM VM running iPad Binaries, but no, Apple took the time and effort to build API targeting two vastly different binaries.
Mike Filippo, I said the same, but I cant as "Switching architectures is trivial as long as your code doesn’t contain in-line assembly, and doesn’t make assumptions about big endIan or little endIan data representation" with my experience, sound pretty blatant to assume it as TRIVIAL, try doing that with Tesselate algorithm.
I think Apple discovered a long time ago that all most users do with their Macs is web browsing and watch Youtube videos. Most users would be happy to have an iPad with a keyboard attached.
I would never by a Mac that can't run VMware or some other virtual machine software that allows a virtual Linux machine.
I would never by a Mac that can't run VMware or some other virtual machine software that allows a virtual Linux machine.
Yep.
But niche consumers like you will always be able to buy the $6000 Mac Pro option. That’s who that’s aimed and priced for. The tiny niche market that likes to gripe but will most likely eventually just get the newest ARM Mac.
I'm intrigued about the prospect of an ARM based Mac, but I worry about the software incompatibility towards macOS based apps.
Not interested in running iOS apps on a laptop as the software is simply not up to par with macOS counterparts.
Not interested in running iOS apps on a laptop as the software is simply not up to par with macOS counterparts.
100% with you. Lots of conflicting arguments on this post as to how easy/hard it will be for devs to port their apps over to ARM too. No clue who to believe on this.
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What does RISC-V have to do with it? If Apple wants to customize their ARM-based instruction set, they are free to do it.
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No, also in my house. My little girl is very argumentative. I get no respect
the customization means that eventhe competition will be able to compete on the bigger scale. I was not referí Nd to Apple in this regard fyi
The new ARM-based devices are clients that would access Apple’s cloud mega-CPU and VMs. Services available by subscription only. Bring any software you already own/license and add it to your VMs. All arguments about CPUs, OSes, etc. are moot. Pay to play.
from announcement to last product launch Mac Pro 1,1
WWDC 2005 was the announcement, January 2006 was the first few Intel Macs. August 7, 2006 was the Mac Pro announcement but when did it actually ship?