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MacBook Air and 13" MacBook Pro Shipping Times Slip Ahead of Monday's Media Event

ricci said:
Exactly!! With this delayed problem child ( Broadwell) it makes more sense to wait for Skylake, which is the NEXT level platform processors due out as we speak! Get Broadwell now and your Computer will be obsolete in 6 months! Yes, Skylake is that much of a "Badass":cool:
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To be fair most people don't come close to maxing their laptop specs anyway.
 
Tbh I couldn't give a monkeys about the apple watch. Who wants to charge a watch every night??

Really hope the 13" rMBP will have the following:

1) IGZO Display like in the iPad airs to give the battery 20hrs or so
2) Touch ID so I can log into all my sites w/o saving passwords in safari
3) Broadwell chips
4) Cheaper SSDs
5) Dedicated Graphics card
6) New generation reversible USB ports

I love my air but I think the rMBP isn't that much less portable, and with the above feature set I would be willing to compromise

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keysofanxiety said:
Well if you want to pay 2015 prices for 2012 tech, that's your choice.

The issue is that I work in the education industry, and so many students pay £600+ to upgrade to a Mac, because they hear so many good things about them. Most consumers will go for the cheapest model without knowing how poorly outdated it is. Then I'll get complaints about a £1000 Apple laptop running like a £200 Windows PC.

Apple always say that 'we make the decisions for the consumers' - they go on, and on, about how people buy into Apple products because they trust the quality and the experience, etc etc. Well people aren't getting that with the base 13" MacBook Pro, and personally I think Apple aren't doing all they can to either educate their buyers on what they're buying, or are doing everything they claim to give people the flawless Apple experience.

You're in the 1% where you love an upgradeable laptop. The other 99% are people who shouldn't be getting a crappy experience from a £1000 laptop, because it's only got 4GB RAM, a 2-3gen old processor, a non-Retina display, and a 5400rpm HDD.

So yes, I really, really hope Apple discontinue it. Maybe make it available on request for the people who want to buy it, who know what they're doing.
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Come on. I think people expect way too much hand holding from Apple. The specs are all right there on the page.

Apple provides exceptional customer service and the result ends up being that some people use that as leverage to demand even more. More than can be expected.

People need to take some personal responsibility when making a $1000 purchase. Apple's not being deceptive. These people just didn't make any effort to learn the details of what they were getting into.

The non-retina MBP is kept around for people who still want an optical drive and value storage space over speed. They almost never make concessions like this and now that they have people are finding a reason to complain.

You can't please everyone, I guess.
 
Hopefully in the future, they can simplify their notebook lineup to just the 12-inch MacBook (please drop the Air!) and the 15-inch MacBook Pro. I just don't see the room or need for the 13-inch MacBook Pro when component specs are constantly converging.
 
Say Apple refreshes the MacBook Air line on Monday, will Best Buy have it pick up that day in store or will it be just at Apple Stores?
 
slal03 said:
Tbh I couldn't give a monkeys about the apple watch. Who wants to charge a watch every night??

Really hope the 13" rMBP will have the following:

1) IGZO Display like in the iPad airs to give the battery 20hrs or so
2) Touch ID so I can log into all my sites w/o saving passwords in safari
3) Broadwell chips
4) Cheaper SSDs

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While your post at this current time has validity at some point that will become the norm. The AppleWatch will become what the iPhone is. While the iPhone is a "PHONE" it's hardly just a phone, considering it's used for so much more. The same with the AppleWatch. It IS a "Watch" but after it becomes in the hands of many people will be using it for much more....as it already has many capabilities. So it's won't be just about charging a "Watch".
 
HenryDJP said:
While your post at this current time has valor at some point that will become the norm. The AppleWatch will become what the iPhone is. While the iPhone is a "PHONE" it's hardly just a phone, considering it's used for so much more. The same with the AppleWatch. It IS a "Watch" but after it becomes in the hands of many people will be using it for much more....as it already has many capabilities. So it's won't be just about charging a "Watch".
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I agree it will be much more than a watch else it wouldn't be called a smart watch. But historically apples first generation products in a new category although are always innovative, lack a lot of things and make you want to hit your head on a wall. The iPhone only became decent from the iPhone 4 onwards. Similarly the iPad 2 was so much better than the first generation.
Watches should last at least 3-5days for me. Also...I don't fancy making calls on a watch and looking like a secret agent. Or talking to Siri to dictate a text without any privacy
 
Essenar said:
I just got my 13" Pro a little over two weeks ago and it's outside of the return period now. So I'm quite disappointed in this news if it's true.

However, the HD 6000 is not better than the Iris Pro 5200:
The Iris Pro 5200 has dedicated memory and the standard HD6000 does not.

The performance level of the HD6000 is around the same level as a dedicated GT 720M. However, the performance level of an HD5200 is around the same level of a dedicated 745M, or 15" less than a 650M with 1GB of GDDR5.

Also note that the Broadwell i5 line is only about 15% more powerful than the Haswell i5 line with better battery life and disappointing thread performance increase. This is literally a toc cycle update.

If Broadwell were powerful enough that a refresh in their 13" line would undermine their 15", you can bet your bollocks to a barn dance they wouldn't be refreshing their 13" line. It's not like Apple just sees "Oh i5 refresh, do me a favor Jacob and update the 13's!" Their engineers meet, they discuss this, and some sassy marketing managers always defend the product segments.

This is 100% of the reason why the Mini 3 is the same as the Mini 2.
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All true statements
However HD5200 is not in the 13" MacBook pro. And it's called iris 5200 ;)

Also I thought Iris 5200 also used shared memory, can you show me the source that shows that it has dedictated memory? I am not doubting, I just want to see
 
slal03 said:
I agree it will be much more than a watch else it wouldn't be called a smart watch. But historically apples first generation products in a new category although are always innovative, lack a lot of things and make you want to hit your head on a wall. The iPhone only became decent from the iPhone 4 onwards. Similarly the iPad 2 was so much better than the first generation.
Watches should last at least 3-5days for me. Also...I don't fancy making calls on a watch and looking like a secret agent. Or talking to Siri to dictate a text without any privacy
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Don't buy the first generation.
 
Mattsasa said:
All true statements
However HD5200 is not in the 13" MacBook pro. And it's called iris 5200 ;)

Also I thought Iris 5200 also used shared memory, can you show me the source that shows that it has dedictated memory? I am not doubting, I just want to see
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http://www.game-debate.com/gpu/inde...-6000-mobile-vs-iris-pro-graphics-5200-mobile

The Iris Pro 5200 has 128MB of EDRAM for frame buffer. It actually makes quite a difference in the performance. It also uses shared memory for textures but the frame buffer helps a lot.

http://www.pcgamer.com/intels-iris-...-hands-on-solid-gaming-performance-on-the-go/

The important thing though is that this chip is housing the new Iris Pro Intel graphics, so that's the full 40 execution unit set-up with an added 128MB eDRAM.
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darcyf said:
Come on. I think people expect way too much hand holding from Apple. The specs are all right there on the page.
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Interesting. Where on Apple's page does it mention that it's a 3-year-old processor? Where does it list it as being Core i5 (i5-3210M)?

Where does it list 'last updated: June 2012'? Yeah, strange about that.

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If you've worked in the computer industry selling Macs, or do support on Macs, or even work in retail selling Macs/PCs, you'd know just how much of a ballache this 13" MacBook Pro is.

Yes, you're very clever for researching all the specifications before you buy something. But this is Apple - and to even pretend that they'll list the specifications as you'd expect is ludicrous. They don't publish the full specs. They give out the 'we're perfect' KoolAid, the 'we only make products we'd use ourselves', the 'you pay for quality - we use the best and latest technology': the 'we'll make your decisions for you', the 'we don't ship junk' - then you criticise when people drink it, because according to you, they didn't do their research?

You're being an Apple apologist, yet you're not apologising for when their smug mentality deceives consumers. This sort of thing is part of the reason Apple users get a bad rap.
 
miniroll32 said:
Hopefully in the future, they can simplify their notebook lineup to just the 12-inch MacBook (please drop the Air!) and the 15-inch MacBook Pro. I just don't see the room or need for the 13-inch MacBook Pro when component specs are constantly converging.
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I think 12", 14" & 16" MacBook Pros would be nice!
 
HenryDJP said:
What the heck does "balllache" mean? Looked it up. No such word.
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Maybe it's 'cause you quoted with one 'l' too much? ;) And you didn't seriously look that up, did you? Even I understood on the first read, and English isn't even my mother tongue.


Shipping availability is still "in stock" across their European online stores.
 
AppliedMicro said:
Maybe it's 'cause you quoted with one 'l' too much? ;) And you didn't seriously look that up, did you? Even I understood on the first read, and English isn't even my mother tongue.
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I asked a legitimate question. Your rude feedback was unnecessary.

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NT1440 said:
Maybe he meant "belly ache?"
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Perhaps but why would a 13"MBP be a "belly ache"? :D I'm just going by how the post was written.
 
Damnit I bought a 13" rmbp just a few days ago. But whatever, if it's just a speed bump I don't really care and if it's some more major update, I'm glad I'm no early adapter (which is a dangerous thing at apple these days).
 
HenryDJP said:
What the heck does "balllache" mean? Looked it up. No such word.
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Umm ... where did you look? If you pop it into any search engine the meaning pops up instantly.

It means what it literally says I guess, an ache in the balls. Pain in the butt, that kind of thing. It's used fairly commonly in Britain but I appreciate it may not be used elsewhere :eek:

EDIT: or maybe a hyphen from me would've helped
 
HenryDJP said:
I asked a legitimate question. Your rude feedback was unnecessary.
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Sorry I (really!) didn't mean to be rude or snarky. I immediately thought of aching ball(s) though. Just as in headache - aching head.

keysofanxiety said:
Then I'll get complaints about a £1000 Apple laptop running like a £200 Windows PC.

(...) The other 99% are people who shouldn't be getting a crappy experience from a £1000 laptop, because it's only got 4GB RAM, a 2-3gen old processor, a non-Retina display, and a 5400rpm HDD.
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To be fair, neither display, CPU nor RAM provide for as as "crappy" experience as most £200 Windows PCs (to quote). HDD maybe... though I've seen retailers offering them with SSD upgrades.

keysofanxiety said:
If you've worked in the computer industry selling Macs, or do support on Macs, or even work in retail selling Macs/PCs
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...isn't it your job to steer people towards the Retina MBP or Air, if (more) appropriate?

keysofanxiety said:
Maybe make it available on request for the people who want to buy it, who know what they're doing.
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That's - sort of - what they're doing.
While the 13" non-retina is still available for ordering, it's not like it's being really advertised. For instance, it only gives you the retina models when on http://www.apple.com/chde/macbook-pro/.
 
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Please don't get too excited everyone :D We do this every time they have a keynote and are nearly always disappointed !

Really hope new MacBooks are announced - but would be surprised if they dilute the Apple Watch announcement with new Laptops...
 
keysofanxiety said:
Umm ... where did you look? If you pop it into any search engine the meaning pops up instantly.

It means what it literally says I guess, an ache in the balls. Pain in the butt, that kind of thing. It's used fairly commonly in Britain but I appreciate it may not be used elsewhere :eek:

EDIT: or maybe a hyphen from me would've helped
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I don't live in Brittain so a "common" word like that isn't something used much here in the U.S....at least I've never heard of it. To answer your question I looked it up in the dictionary. If it's slang I don't pay attention to google descriptions of such words as they tend to have multiple meanings. Okay, well now I know.

You were describing Intel processors of the 13" MBP. Not sure how that would be a pain in the "*****" to you but to each his own. Everybody has different uses.

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AppliedMicro said:
Sorry I (really!) didn't mean to be rude or snarky. I immediately thought of aching ball(s) though. Just as in headache - aching head.
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Cheerfully accepted. Thanks for clarifying. :)
 
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