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iPaintCode

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After thinking about the shipping date change I wouldn't be surprised if Apple updates the Airs and 13 rMBP to the new Broadwell since Dell and Lenovo have given Broadwell updates. I'm still skeptical of the 13 rMBP update due to the lack of quad core Broadwell but if the 13 rMBP is outselling the 15 just like the combo's did I could see Apple going through with an update.

Makes me wonder if they will go away with integrated GPU in the 15 rMBP when it gets a Broadwell + Iris Pro 6200 update. I think that's the only way they're going to be able to start shaving off height of the 15 if they go with a more tapered design like the Airs. I'm not 100% sold on the rumored 12" rMBP but with the leaked display pictures they might just do it, guess we will see on Monday.
 

Mattsasa

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No they won't. Not in a multicore test. And I want one for encoding and decoding videos. Cores help here.

Well, you will be disappointed. The 13" MacBook pro will not get quad Core.

And the dual core CPUs will be more powerful for 64bit multicore than most 2011 quad core mobile cpus like in the in the 2011 MacBook pro. And I'd faster than many 2012 mobile quadcore CPUs
 
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iPaintCode

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Well, you will be disappointed. The 13" MacBook pro will not get quad Core.

And the dual core CPUs will be more powerful for 64bit multicore than most 2011 quad core mobile cpus like in the in the 2011 MacBook pro. And I'd faster than many 2012 mobile quadcore CPUs
2011 !== 2013 Core i7 processors. If you look at benchmarks of the new Lenovo W(orkstation)550s it's rocking i7-5500U / 7-5600U and it comes no where close to the 2013 Retina 15" update CPU's. I see they added a "s" to the W550, I'm guessing due to the U processor. So they decided to go the same route with their T series and that's probably why they're getting insane battery hours (15 W CPU). I'm really shocked they didn't go for the 28 W core i5/i7's but I guess battery duration is their main focus.

Poor 15 rMBP getting no love, now if Steve was still around he could have bogarted all the quad core i7's for the 15 and forced Intel to keep it on the down low till "Steve" announced it.
 

Mattsasa

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2011 !== 2013 Core i7 processors. If you look at benchmarks of the new Lenovo W(orkstation)550s it's rocking i7-5500U / 7-5600U and it comes no where close to the 2013 Retina 15" update CPU's. I see they added a "s" to the W550, I'm guessing due to the U processor. So they decided to go the same route with their T series and that's probably why they're getting insane battery hours (15 W CPU). I'm really shocked they didn't go for the 28 W core i5/i7's but I guess battery duration is their main focus.

Poor 15 rMBP getting no love, now if Steve was still around he could have bogarted all the quad core i7's for the 15 and forced Intel to keep it on the down low till "Steve" announced it.

So we are in a agreement then? I never said anything about 2013, nor anything about 2013 retina 15". All I said is that 2015(broadwell) dual-core CPUS. are about on par with 2011(sandy-bridge) quad cores.

I am confused because your first post was talking about 13" laptops, and now you switched to 15" laptops. I have no idea why Lenovo used 15W cpu in their 15" notebook, but of course there 15W CPU won't be able to compete with the 47W cpu in the 2013 15" MBP. I am not arguing with you there.


What do you mean by poor 15 rMBB getting now love? It will of course get updated, but the CPU for is not shipping yet, not even released yet, not even have full specs out. 15 rMBP won't be ready till like October - December


Edit: I just realized you were a different poster than the original poster. my bad lol
 

iPaintCode

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No worries.

According to specs the 2011 Quad Core i7-2860QM still has a little more juice compared to the Dual Core i7-5600U, granted it has more l3 cache and 2 more cores. The impressive part is the i7-5600U is using 1/3 of the power and has more advanced iGPU, even with lower Turbo clock I'm betting the 5500 > 3000 by a large margin.

With Intel's schedule behind it seems the U series is making a big splash in the PC Windows notebook world. I'm betting the majority of even professionals would be OK with those configs, like the T450s from Lenovo. They're really going bonkers over battery longevity but one has to wonder if Apple will take a hard stance on the 15".

One has to wonder, would you take a Dual Core Broadwell and double your battery life or would you wait till Q3 or later for a Quad Core Broadwell with maybe an hour longer batter life but doubling your cores. I've been using a late 2013 13" rMBP for traveling and a late 2013 27" iMac (maxed out). I was hoping to consolidate to a single machine (perhaps a 15).

Guess it's late and I've been coding all weekend and starting to speak in Backbone (runs and hides). Guess we will see what happens today!

Added: Here's the benchmark from CPUBoss:

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-5600U-vs-Intel-Core-i7-2860QM
 

CmdrLaForge

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Well, you will be disappointed. The 13" MacBook pro will not get quad Core.

And the dual core CPUs will be more powerful for 64bit multicore than most 2011 quad core mobile cpus like in the in the 2011 MacBook pro. And I'd faster than many 2012 mobile quadcore CPUs

First of all - the 2011 quad cores got a Geekbench score of around 10000. We will see where the dual core 13" will be. My guess is not higher then 8000 which is then still 20% slower then 2011.
Second - not sure what you intended to say with your post. That the latest CPUs will be faster then 5 year old ones? Or do you try to estimate after how many years dual cores are the same speed ?

Anyway - I will not be so disappointed as it simple means that I will not spend any money now.

I get a new rMPB 13" when they release one with a decent quad core CPU, whenever...
 

fathergll

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If a person is focused on comparing displays, then that is an important observation. But for actually using one, not so much.

I continue to be puzzled by the hyperbole surrounding the non-retina display of the MBA. Words like, "horrid", "absolute garbage", "junk", "worthless","pixelated mess".

There was a period where I was kind of sick of my Air's display. I'm notorious for not cleaning my display. I gave it a good cleaning last week and was shocked how good it was.

Moral of the story, cleanliness is next to godliness
 

Naimfan

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First of all - the 2011 quad cores got a Geekbench score of around 10000. We will see where the dual core 13" will be. My guess is not higher then 8000 which is then still 20% slower then 2011.

I agree with you. Since the current fastest 13" rMBP geekbenches at 7196, 8000 for a new one seems optimistic.

And it seems a safe bet that most 13" rMBPs sold are the 2.6 GHz chip, which comes in at 6554. So a new 13" rMBP would probably be in the 6800-7000 range. Very impressive, considering how much less power it uses to do it.

You may be waiting a while for a quad-core 13" rMBP, unfortunately.
 

CmdrLaForge

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I agree with you. Since the current fastest 13" rMBP geekbenches at 7196, 8000 for a new one seems optimistic.

And it seems a safe bet that most 13" rMBPs sold are the 2.6 GHz chip, which comes in at 6554. So a new 13" rMBP would probably be in the 6800-7000 range. Very impressive, considering how much less power it uses to do it.

You may be waiting a while for a quad-core 13" rMBP, unfortunately.

And here we go. From the macrumors hp:
The newly refreshed 13" Retina MacBook Pro announced on Monday is seeing comparable performance to the mid-2014 model, according to the latest Geekbench benchmark. The early 2015 model with an Intel Core i5 processor clocked at 2.7GHz achieved a single-core score of 3043 and a multi-core score of 6448, a minor variance from last year's low-end 13" Retina MacBook Pro single-core score of 3056 and multi-core score of 6554.
 
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