Nice one. I bet these chat folks make it up as they go along right now.
That’s the feeling I get too albeit is clearly a complex topic and not as simple as saying you may not as much RAM anymore - although I think I pretty much said that during the livestream.M1 is going to change how computers are sold. No more cramming in ram when you can make the ram you have work more efficiently.
Didn't they say the new M1 Air is 3.5x faster than the last gen (intel)?
We are in 2015 now or i just missed something.
The ram isn't what it used to be. They can probably outperform a 32gb laptop with only 8gb
and the bastardization of the "Pro" name continues.
This is sad.
On a positive note, the Air looks like a fantastic purchase for this generation of notebooks.
plus all the other differences, you know, better screen, Touch Bar, speakers, mics...... you can easily determine everything on the tech specs pageNeed to pay $200 to get the 8th core not disabled.![]()
7 core vs 8 core GPU won't make a big difference in FPS.
In what case would you need more cores for?I'm not particularly interested in FPS.
Image and signal processing software.In what case would you need more cores for?
More power and better cooling means higher clockspeeds on the CPU.I don't really understand why the pro is more expensive and needs a fan. Higher frequency?
Oh how I wish local & federal government processes worked that way.M1 is going to change how computers are sold. No more cramming in ram when you can make the ram you have work more efficiently.
It can sustain peak load longer without thermal-throttlingI don't really understand why the pro is more expensive and needs a fan. Higher frequency?
You ignored the thermal package differenceLooks like both MBA and MBP have same display, SOC (except the GPU), RAM, USB/TB ports, and storage. MBP has better battery life and the touch bar, but IMO that's not worth an extra $300. Disappointed in the MBP upgrade, especially the max 16gb RAM, but the MBA seems like a good value for money.
I think the M1 Mini will probably be a good choice for developers, but maybe as an additional machine for MacOS/iOS development. 16GB is fine for most local development if you are not running local VMs or running heavyweight app servers or DBs on the local machine. Bear in mind that a lot of development pushes builds to cloud infrastructure these days; I haven't run a local VM for several years.If the Developer ARM Mac mini was anything close to what they announced, RAM works the same as on intel machines. 16GB max won't cut it for my PRO work. My Mac Pro pages out even with 96GB. Not matter how to try to defend Apple, lower RAM is not acceptable for working with large projects and files.
I think todays announcements were rushed to get the ASMac's out. By the time most of the software is up and running as expected, these will be obsoleted by newer versions.
I think recent reactions to the US elections show that a very large number of people take great exception to anyone holding a different view to their own, and will take every opportunity to explain to all and sundry just how wrong other people are. Weird...and very, very, sad....I find very strange how two people can disagree with someone else’s experience. What are you split personalities inhabiting the same brain or something? Weird.
He’s giving his true experience of using the Touch Bar and saying it’s a positive one. If you have a different experience then say so, but disagreeing is illogical. I mean, I hate toffee. Are you going to hit the disagree button because you love toffee and think I’m wrong to hate it? Agree that I hate toffee, then go and post how much you love the stuff! 😐
with the limitation of only up to two external attached displays ( first one needs to be HDMI from what I am reading ) that limitation alone makes it unpopular with developers. chopping out support for eGPU's and losing 2 TB ports also seems to be an issue.I think the M1 Mini will probably be a good choice for developers, but maybe as an additional machine for MacOS/iOS development. 16GB is fine for most local development if you are not running local VMs or running heavyweight app servers or DBs on the local machine. Bear in mind that a lot of development pushes builds to cloud infrastructure these days; I haven't run a local VM for several years.
What are you running that uses up your 96GB RAM?
If you had to choose between:
MBA M1 with 7 core GPU and 16GB of RAM or
MBA M1 with 8 core GPU and 8GB of RAM
Which would you choose?
If we assume that the same M1 die and package size is used in all these machines, then the limitation will be a combination of the available package real-estate available for the DRAM (it's on-package but not part of the SoC die) and the density of the DRAM chips. Presumably, they could only fit a maximum of 16GB on the package.I guess we don‘t know what the answer is - is it a technical limitation or a sales/product lineup decision?
I expect one of the Apple podcasts will get the answer.
Not true. Back in the day (10-15 yrs. ago), the MBP was a significant step up from the plastic Macbooks.It has never been anything but three letters used by a marketing department to advertise products.
You also get twice the SSD storage, so not so bad. The extra GPU core still costs $50 though.Wait is that real? That's absurd and a major difference, but seems impossible. It's built into the chip. That would be like finding out the m1 has standard 32GB RAM that only accessed 8GB.
The Neural Engine is still a little ambiguous to me. How does this help the CPU and GPU? What improvements will I see in my day to day?
I work with developers and do DevOps, and I have almost never seen people use more than 2 external displays and I've worked with a lot of different teams. The vast majority are running 1 or 2 externals with the laptop screen as an extra for e-mail, Slack etc.with the limitation of only up to two external attached displays ( first one needs to be HDMI from what I am reading ) that limitation alone makes it unpopular with developers. chopping out support for eGPU's and losing 2 TB ports also seems to be an issue.
I work with developers and do DevOps, and I have almost never seen people use more than 2 external displays and I've worked with a lot of different teams. The vast majority are running 1 or 2 externals with the laptop screen as an extra for e-mail, Slack etc.
Similarly, most folks are using some kind of dock, so 2 TB ports is probably OK. I have four on my MBP16 and only use one (for the dock with pass-through power), and sometimes stick an SD card adapter for photos/video.
Sounds like eGPUs are not yet supported, but again, I have never seen a developer use an eGPU - it's more for context creators & gamers.
The Mac Mini is clearly not a powerhouse, but it will do the job for a lot of devs. I'm seriously considering one for playing around with, but I would need to get a better idea of tool support for MacOS-on-ARM before buying one. It could end up as an expensive toy with limited use other than XCode.