If they do go to Ice Lake-Y, they will in fact be able to do four cores.
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MacBook Air and Possibly 13-Inch MacBook Pro Without Touch Bar Said to Receive Processor Refresh in the Fall
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If they do go to Ice Lake-Y, they will in fact be able to do four cores.
I am waiting for a MacBook with a next generation keyboard. Literally the only thing I am holding out for. So far, the new butterfly keyboard on the new MacBook Pro seems stable, but more time needs to pass to judge if it's a long term fix, and a MacBook Pro is overkill and beyond what I want to spend. A MacBook Air with a new keyboard would work too, but I prefer the smaller size and fanless design of the regular MacBook.
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Remap or make it permanent on the Touch Bar! Holy crap, it’s not that damn hard...never so many users reduced to tears over an ESC key. Touch Bar needs to expand, not contract...
Excellent, you seem like you're knowledgeable on the subject. How would someone move the esc key away from the top left corner and leave that space completely empty of any type of input button? I can live with moving it away from the corner so I only touch it intentionally, but I'd rather not have to change my typing method to resemble holding a cup of tea, pinky raised.
I was thinking the same.
It’s intel to blame, being late on 10nm CPU which supports lddr4.
I really think the touchbar(screen buttons) has potential it was just a bad implementation,
If they choose not to correct that, its time for Tim to admit the mistake and abandon the design. Its ok, Jobs did it with the G4 Cube, it was great in theory but didn't work too well in real life.
If they choose not to correct that, its time for Tim to admit the mistake and abandon the design. Its ok, Jobs did it with the G4 Cube, it was great in theory but didn't work too well in real life.
It's my second day with a TB and I've already triggered all kinds of weird behavior in apps by unintentionally touching the TB. I looked to see if it can be disabled so that it always displays function keys, but there does not appear to be an easy way to do it. I would have to go in and enable that mode on an app by app basis. Kind of painful. I was hoping there would be a global switch.
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Same here. Getting the new fixed keyboard in this refresh will make me finally buy a laptop again. The MB or MBA should be awesome with the fixed keyboard and new CPU.
That sounds like a Santa I would like this for Christmas. Apples not going to change the keyboard back, they'd have to admit that they "SCREWED" up and whether its Sir Jony or any other scape goat its just not going to happen.
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You would think that Intel not coming through on processors on time would make Apple look else where?
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4 Core would use too much battery life under strong demands.
I wanted to see the original MBA get a "Nicer" Antiglare screen and memory upped to 16GB a little faster processor same battery life and I'm all set.
I'm really looking forward for a new MacBook Air. My own is getting 5-year old and continues to work as brand new (except for the battery life, naturally), but I need something more powerful. The 2018 MBAir were amazing, so if they're releasing something slightly better in the near future, that's all I'm asking for! It's worth the wait.
Yep - you probably right. I used to be a Mac "Power User" back in the day.
Have you noticed that all of us power users don't care about processing power and all that dual overhead cam with posi-traction and hemi direct injection dynamic thrust management jive talk? The future might truly be dumbed down so bad that the iPad Pro type experience is what mere mortals will be using exclusively.
I have been using MacBook Pro, and I'll upgrade, just for the hopes of getting a quiet and half decent keyboard again. Whether it has "icy Lake" processors in it doesn't matter. I'm sure they will make it better in terms of battery life and processing power one way or another. This intentional dumbing down of the MacBook Pro over the last 3 years is preparing our minds for the next big change in personal computing maybe.
I just have a feeling that way - not really a well thought out vision of the future plan - just a thought.
There was a comment above about possibility of using a dual core Ice Lake. Do you think that makes sense?
Yes - FFS get rid of the touchbar on the 15". Complete frippery.
If they introduce a 13" nTB with 4 ports and quad-core I'd very likely buy it.
If they introduce a 13" nTB with 4 ports and quad-core I'd very likely buy it.
I am assuming you mean Apple building an x64 processor? When people mention Apple Processor here, I think we assume they are ARMv8 aarch64 only. I still think it is a very messy solution to have ARM and x86 both living within the Mac ecosystem, as some people like Appleinsider continues to believe.
That was me making a guess. Again assuming Intel lives up to its word, something they haven't been doing for the past 4 - 5 years. They said Icelake product will be on self by end of year holiday season.
Touch Bar works very well for me. Far more useful than just function keys. Mostly use it when editing in fcpx. TBH, would love to see them expand it, making it bigger.
I'm thinking ARM with x64 (without x86).
I don't know how feasible it is, but with rumours of an ARM based Macbook and with Catalina dropping support for 32 bits apps it seems to make sense. Again, feasibility issues aside.
Not possible. x64 is strictly a superset of x86 ( That is how I remember it, may not be accurate ). And without x86 licensing, you cant really build x64. And you will need to get both Intel And AMD to license it. This is an even worst solution than going with ARM SoC for the low end and x86 Mac Pro in the high end.
Thanks. That was my thought too - that x64 was an extension of x86, but I wasn't totally sure (and am still not).
Certainly a modern processor x64 processor uses both instruction sets, but if Apple is nixing support for 32 bit apps.... Why would they do that if those commands are still going to be support in hardware? I'm obviously missing something, but not sure what.
There are older instructions like MMX and SSE ( If I remember correctly x64 starts with SSE2 ) which I think Intel will be dropping soon, and will be emulating them once they are dropped. ( Or something similar I cant remember the exact details on top of my head, and the timeframe they will be dropped , Read it on GCC mailing list for anyone interested.)
The hardware cost saving of removing legacy mode is so tiny that the effort in removing it will likely be far larger than saving make in die size cost. It is not like intel will charge you less if their die size is smaller......
Again, if I remember correctly, the x86-64 architecture register is extended on top of 32bit, and 16bit etc. i.e You can take out legacy mode, but you cant take out the 32bit register ( since 64 bit is extended on top of it ) if that is what you are asking.
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I respect your opinion. However, you are clearly forgetting Apple's history when it comes to having a cluttered mess of options and the cleanup Steve Jobs did in the late 90s to remedy that. One Pro desktop, one pro laptop, one consumer desktop, one consumer laptop. It's a proven formula.
Also, stop and look at WHAT your choices even are: You have a 13" MacBook Pro with a quad-core processor and the latest stuff. Cool; that's sensible.
The other two options are where there's needless overlap. You have an underpowered MacBook Air, and you still have the dual-core 2017 Touch-Bar-Free 13" MacBook Pro that is, under the hood, the direct successor to the older MacBook Air. Why do we need two of these machines? What does the extra choice offer us?
More products means that Apple has to manage more product lines and right now, they suck at managing their product lines (certainly compared to five years ago). Trim the fat, make it run leaner and meaner.
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Your example of the 13" is perfect. Someone looking for that sort of size has the options of:
MacBook Pro with quad core
MacBook Pro with dual core
Macbook Air
Macbook
Need super thin and light? Macbook
Looking for doing more serious development work? Quad Pro.
Just looking for a decent workhorse that is more economical but has a few ponies just in case, dual Pro.
Don't need power but looking for a cheaper option? Air.
I don't see it as needless overlap at all. I use a dual core Pro today, and I don't really need a quad core (would be nice of course!). I like being able to make that choice though.
The Air is not underpowered if your needs are light. The Quad pro is under powered if you're running simulations of nuclear decay that are time sensitive.
I think the scenario you painted DOES work when you have scalable hardware - when you can buy a laptop and then customize it, upgrade it, etc. But we know that Apple has run as fast as it can as far away from that nirvana.
Just my opinion - I'd rather have more choice than less.