I have the LG display and am on the internet 6 hours a day for work and have NEVER come across any site that makes the screen flicker unless it's intended to like the above graphic, I'm also in the media biz so it's content out the a$$ all day for me. I use a color profile that crushes the blacks a little and think the screen is fantastic and NO, my eyes don't hurt, they do on the factory settings tho.
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Macbook air lg display horrible!!!!! Text reading is a headache!!!
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I gave a sh** because from day one with the MBA I was having a hard time looking at the monitor for very long. So, to do the cross talk tests (more than just the green screen) verified there was an actual problem. Apple agreed.
I'm glad it's working for you though.
BTW - I think I read somewhere that Apple has discontinued having LG make any monitors for them due to quality control issues. Perhaps you'd better get Apple Care just in case...
Nope , i have the lg screen and samsung mba and am perfectly happy with it.
The problem is many people are happy until they stumble upon forums with threads like this one.
The same happened with the iPhone 4's screen with some being more warmer, yellower, than the blue hue ones. I read a thread where an apple store had opened over 40 units to try and appease the customer !
You can get so wrapped up with it all that it can sour the user experience.
If something is faulty then its reasonable to have it repaired or replaced.
But just because that green pattern jumps doesn't mean there was anything wrong or unusual on other sites. There is nothing inherently wrong or different between the screens other than THAT SITE. You are assuming that the "jumping green" is indicative of a problem on ALL sites with the LG screens - I don't understand how you make that leap.
Completely agree, people are looking to replace something that is perfectly fine, I have an LG display in my 13 inch and to all intents and purposes it`s perfect and well within it`s design criteria. My wife`s 11 inch I have no idea and once a gain the display is great, equally I am not looking to deliberately find fault based on internet hearsay. you will all enjoy the new Air if you simply take your machines on face value and not chasing some elevated level of perfection, that never existed in the first place...
As the man so rightly said "You can get so wrapped up with it all that it can sour the user experience." step back enjoy the Air for what it is a truly great personal computer, or you can continue to rain on your own parade
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i am another who does not have a problem with LG, in fact i consider myself very lucky that i do not have any problems with my MBA 13 and i am enjoying it every day
it's not the LG screen makes you headache. It's because it's high-res. Texts are just smaller than usual. you'll have to get used to it
the text is small because of the higher resolution , if you want bigger text when viewing websites, lower the resolution =)
Not true. I have had both the 13 and 11, had nothing but stinging eyes using the 13" (of which I owned two, both LG panels), it has a lower pixel density. After switching to the 11, I have not experienced the same sensation, despite it in theory being harder on the eyes.
I'm going to go ahead and say I think it has something to do with the LED. The brightness is electric, yet I don't want to have to bring down the brightness - I never had to on the MBP.
Also, yeah the resolution means smaller text, coming from a lower MBP resolution it's definitely hard to adjust to.
Without a doubt though, the biggest pain comes from the white. Look at Google homepage for a while, close your eyes, the LEDs stay on the retina! (I think that's the right term).
Also, yeah the resolution means smaller text, coming from a lower MBP resolution it's definitely hard to adjust to.
Without a doubt though, the biggest pain comes from the white. Look at Google homepage for a while, close your eyes, the LEDs stay on the retina! (I think that's the right term).
Just returned mine to Apple. Love a lot of things about the 2011 13" MBA, but hopefully in future revisions they will improve the screen considerably. Back to my trusty 13" MBP I go. I will miss 1440x900 land though. Good thing I still have 5120x1600 land on my desktop.
Good thing I still have 5120x1600 land on my desktop. 
I call BS on your story, no offense, and if true, I think it's more psychological than anything else. Or you just got a bad display, but it's not related to the brand. The LG and Samsung displays are almost indistinguishable, except maybe viewing angles.
I have the 11 with LG and I had the 13 with Samsung. They are both great screens for what they are. I viewed many MBA's in the store with both makes of screen. I can not tell the difference. The only reason I looked to see the screen make is because of this stupid thread.
Getting confused...
Maybe I am a little bit OCD sometimes. But I feel quite normal with my screen and the MBA over all, my screen is LG. I do not tend to do much browsing, just write school notes and email. My confusion started with this thread...after reading Anandtech review about the screens it was quite simple to notice the strong and weak points in each screen. By the way...the LG had more strong points than the Samsung one.
Link: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4554/apples-11inch-macbook-air-core-i7-18ghz-review-update
But when I made the crosstalk test the issue was very noticeable...like a light bulb that is near of failure. I notice it before in the "greenish" image but all I just did was zooming in or out until the flicker "disappeared".
Now my problem is to justify if this is "normal" (I guess not so much, since none of my other screen had the problem) and stick with a screen that has a better "color accuracy" (wich I don't care that much) or choose the one that doesn't flicker with certain color arrays. ¿Is this crosstalk problem fixable?
I'm also concerned about the fact that I may not perceive the flickering at some rates, but still my eyes are getting strain...¿is this even possible?.
Hope someone can help. Thanks in advance!
EDIT: Ok, I'm getting OCD crazy right now... I used the other webpage previuosly linked in this thread:
http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/inversion.php
and the screen flickered like there was no tomorrow, just one issue...THIS WAS ON MY MACBOOK PRO 15" so there you have it...either a very big portion of the screens Apple use are faulty...or this is a TEST that stress the screen to produce this behavior. I mean, I had have this issue in my main computer for 2 years and never noticed. The configuration that trigger the flicker was 4b in my MPB and 3 on my MBA. And I know for sure the MPB is miles better.
So there you have it...all you need to do is find the right tune for your display...and you will make it dance. Nothing alarming.
Maybe I am a little bit OCD sometimes. But I feel quite normal with my screen and the MBA over all, my screen is LG. I do not tend to do much browsing, just write school notes and email. My confusion started with this thread...after reading Anandtech review about the screens it was quite simple to notice the strong and weak points in each screen. By the way...the LG had more strong points than the Samsung one.
Link: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4554/apples-11inch-macbook-air-core-i7-18ghz-review-update
But when I made the crosstalk test the issue was very noticeable...like a light bulb that is near of failure. I notice it before in the "greenish" image but all I just did was zooming in or out until the flicker "disappeared".
Now my problem is to justify if this is "normal" (I guess not so much, since none of my other screen had the problem) and stick with a screen that has a better "color accuracy" (wich I don't care that much) or choose the one that doesn't flicker with certain color arrays. ¿Is this crosstalk problem fixable?
I'm also concerned about the fact that I may not perceive the flickering at some rates, but still my eyes are getting strain...¿is this even possible?.
Hope someone can help. Thanks in advance!
EDIT: Ok, I'm getting OCD crazy right now... I used the other webpage previuosly linked in this thread:
http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/inversion.php
and the screen flickered like there was no tomorrow, just one issue...THIS WAS ON MY MACBOOK PRO 15" so there you have it...either a very big portion of the screens Apple use are faulty...or this is a TEST that stress the screen to produce this behavior. I mean, I had have this issue in my main computer for 2 years and never noticed. The configuration that trigger the flicker was 4b in my MPB and 3 on my MBA. And I know for sure the MPB is miles better.
So there you have it...all you need to do is find the right tune for your display...and you will make it dance. Nothing alarming.
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Maybe I am a little bit OCD sometimes. But I feel quite normal with my screen and the MBA over all, my screen is LG. I do not tend to do much browsing, just write school notes and email. My confusion started with this thread...after reading Anandtech review about the screens it was quite simple to notice the strong and weak points in each screen. By the way...the LG had more strong points than the Samsung one.
Link: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4554/apples-11inch-macbook-air-core-i7-18ghz-review-update
But when I made the crosstalk test the issue was very noticeable...like a light bulb that is near of failure. I have notice it before but all I just did was zooming in or out until the flicker "disappeared".
Now my problem is to justify if this is "normal" (I guess not so much, since none of my other screen had the problem) and stick with a screen that has a better "color accuracy" (wich I don't care that much) or choose the one that doesn't flicker with certain color arrays. ¿Is this crosstalk problem fixable?
I'm also concerned about the fact that I may not perceive the flickering at some rates, but still my eyes are getting strain...¿is this even possible?.
Hope someone can help. Thanks in advance!
I've seen this supposed "crosstalk" issue on one web page ever - the one noted in this thread. I call it "normal", because I have never seen this issue on ANY other webpage (and I probably spend 5 hours a day online). There is no "crosstalk problem" - and if you think there is I can tell you how to fix it. DONT GO TO THAT ONE WEB PAGE. Pretty simple. There is no flickering on other pages.
That is all - please move along.
Thanks for the speedy reply. Actually I've edited my own post with my little research...but in the end it was as you said...not an issue. Cheez, I was actually ready to call Apple tomorrow, this is what happens when you procrastinate.
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For people saying this is not an issue, please qualify that by saying it's not an issue for YOU. I am very sensitive to flicker and ever since I got my 2011 13" MBA with LG screen, I've been getting eye fatigue and slight headaches. I suffer from migraines, so I'm probably more sensitive than most. Still, after trying the crosstalk tests, it's obvious that the screen isn't up to par. I have 2 Dells and a VAIO SZ, and none of those have any problems at all with the crosstalk tests.
I finally bought a Mac and was so looking forward to not having to use my other computers again. Oh, well. Now I have to return this to Amazon (it is truly unusable for me, as I can't look at the screen for any prolonged period of time) and wait for them to get more stock in the MBA 13/4/128 again before I can truly enjoy it. Hopefully, my next draw in the MBA lottery will have a Samsung screen (funny that I got a Samsung SSD but now would trade for a Toshiba SSD in a heartbeat if it meant I would get a Samsung display).
Does anyone know if I can get a resolution to this from the Apple Store? Anything that can be done under warranty?
Thanks.
I finally bought a Mac and was so looking forward to not having to use my other computers again. Oh, well. Now I have to return this to Amazon (it is truly unusable for me, as I can't look at the screen for any prolonged period of time) and wait for them to get more stock in the MBA 13/4/128 again before I can truly enjoy it. Hopefully, my next draw in the MBA lottery will have a Samsung screen (funny that I got a Samsung SSD but now would trade for a Toshiba SSD in a heartbeat if it meant I would get a Samsung display).
Does anyone know if I can get a resolution to this from the Apple Store? Anything that can be done under warranty?
Thanks.
The crosstalk tests are designed to trip up displays that`s their purpose, and to fine tune, nor does anyone use such imagery on standard sites. So when people run these tests and then say the screen is unusable it`s rather funny.
The key is you are new to OS X, or at least apear to be; the way the fonts are rendered is very much different than Windows, often people switching from Windows will initially have eyestrain when moving to OS X, the Air exacerbates this with it`s high res display. The symtoms simply pass in time as your eyes adjust, this is common knowledge...
I have a 13 inch LG and it has no issues, the new Air is bringing a lot of people to OS X for the first time and the redering of the fonts is getting swept aside by this "internet OCD histeria" over the displays; every display is slightly different be it Samsung or LG and some will be better than others. the Air is an Ultra Portable not a graphics workstation and as result there are some compromises one being the colour gamut.
I have looked at several, the only way to determine the origin is to use Terminal that alone speaks volumes, if you physically are unable to differentiate between the LG & the Samsung just how much difference is there between them
in short as per the majority of the professional reviews next to nothing with any variance more likely being down to production tolerances.Swap away, personally after seeing both displays side by side, the only thing you are doing is wasting resources and time, the placebo effect of getting a Samsung display is likely to be far more than any physical difference, that and adjusting to OS X...
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Only for iPads due to quality problems; not screen quality though, but because they were easily breakable.
Yes, the LG is the better display in all criteria (contrast, color) except for viewing angles in which case the Samsung has a slight edge. You guys have it all wrong. Read the Anandtech review which does all the scientific testing as opposed to subjective rumoring.
That might be true. But I find it interesting that none of the other laptops I have at home are tripped up by any of the tests. Also, from most reports, it seems like the MBA Samsung displays aren't tripped up by the tests either.
Good to know. I truly hope that is the case for me (my return window at Amazon closes September 29, I believe).
You should realize that not everyone's eyes are the same. What looks perfect to you may not look perfect to others. And it works the opposite way, as well. Your LG display may be perfect to YOU. And my LG display may give ME headaches. One example doesn't have to be proof against the other. You and I can both be correct in our assesments because they are personal and only apply to ourselves.
I have looked at several, the only way to determine the origin is to use Terminal that alone speaks volumes, if you physically are unable to differentiate between the LG & the Samsung just how much difference is there between them
YOU are personally unable to differentiate. There already have been many posters who've said that they can differentiate. I'll be going to the Apple Store tomorrow to meet with a Genius. I plan on first looking at the 13" Airs on the floor to see if I can tell a difference (or at least if my eyes/head can). I'll only check the display manufacturer via Terminal after I've decided which displays I can tolerate and which I can't. Then I'll truly know if my head and eyes are speaking the truth. If I can't differentiate between them, I'll admit it to you. In fact, it will actually make me happy to know that this problem should, hopefully, go away with time as my eyes adjust to the OS X font rendering differences.
So you're allowed to waste time inspecting the displays side by side; but if I do it, it is a waste of resources and time? Trust me, my time is much less valuable than yours. I can afford to waste it
I hope I'm proven wrong and that my eyes adjust after a period of time. As much as I'm loving OS X's useability and beautiful design vs. Windows 7, my "imagined" eye strain and headaches are making it difficult to use as a daily driver. And, FYI, I didn't come across this thread until AFTER I realized the display on the MBA was giving me problems (I started doing Google searches to see if anyone else was having similar problems to me). Before searching on Google, I had absolutely no influence from the supposed "Internet OCD" about the LG display. So I came at this from an unbiased perspective without knowing that anyone else was having the same problems with the LG display that I was having.