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You are so very right, when not happy you really should tell Apple. So I took your advice and wrote them:

:apple::apple::apple:

Dear Apple,
I'm a pro user, Apple solution expert and a APPL share holder and I'm very sad to say that I was totaly and utterly dissapointed by the new notebook product line. Here are my thoughts.

Glossy screens
Those who have tried both matte and glossy screens knows what I'm talking about. Sure, colors may appear more saturated on a glossy screen but there is nothing that says that a good matte screen shouldn't be good at displaying colors. With a glossy screen there is much greater problems with reflections, mirroring, dirt, dust and smudge than with a matte screen. Then there are personal preferences as well, myself I develop hedaches when using a glossy screen, I have two MBP 17", one with glossy and one with matte screen so I do notice the difference. There are several reports that confirm this and in several european countries there are regulations about using glossy screens in workplaces and those regulations are there for a reason. Sure, you can move or adjust your work place to avoid reflections in the screen, but why would I have to rearrange my desk in order to make my new $2000 laptop work as it should? Also, rearranging my workplace or moving around gets hard when travelling like on a train or in a plane. Sure you can turn off the light in the room to avoid refelections but why would I want to work in darkness? Sure, I can adjust the screen brightness to compensate the reflections but then agian, why would I do that? How grey would the black parts of the screen get and how much would the increased brightness affect the battery performance while travelling? All those problems could easily be fixed by offering a matte screen as an option to the glossy one. To me a glossy screen is a big "no no" and I will simply not buy a machine with a glossy screen based on my thoughts above. This is a worsening of the product line.

Firewire
First, the Macbook. I currently own a white Macbook that I mainly use when on vacation. Checking emails, backing up photos from my camera and movies from my DV-camera. But that will no longer be possible since there is no firewire and my DV-cam is firewire only. Also, at home, this Macbook serves as somewhat of a mediacenter using Eye-tv and that's also firewire only. So there's a "no no" on the Macbook as well. Considering the alternatives, buying a $2000 MBP just to be able to connect my DV-cam when on vacation? No way. Buying a new DV-cam just to be able to connect it to a USB? No way. Big dissapointment. Also, Apple has until now always promoted firewire so all my external equipment such as backup disks etc. are firewire only. What about Firewire target disk mode when troubleshooting or transfering accounts to a new Mac? This is a worsening of the product line.

The Macbook Pro then. Well, when introducing the Macbook Pro CoreDuo there was only one firewire port which was bad and when the Core2Duo version arrived it was equipped with two ports, much better. Why is that better then. Well, many firewire peripherals such as soundcards, Eye-tv some harddrives lacks firewire throughput connectios thus ending the firewire chain. Well, I have two such devices which makes it impossible to connect them both to the new Macbook Pros. Sure I could get myself a expresscard with firewire ports but why would I have to do that on a $2000 portable? This is a worsening of the product line.

The overall design
My personal preferences are that the black border and keyboard are ugly but that is my personal preferences although I think that I shuld share them with you, they are not design flaws as the problems described above but still an issue to me. Also why is the new macbook 15" heavier than the old 15"? That seems really backwards. To me this is a worsening of the product line.

I might sound bitter and disappointed and perhaps I am but I consider yesterdays "upgrades" to be "downgrades". Apple has finally become more style than substance and functionallity has become less important which is sad.

I feel that Apple is unfortunately loosing its goals and failing to provide to fullfill the customers requirements. I have now spent a lot of time reading forums and blogs to get a feel of how the new product line was recieved and I have noticed two things:

1. "Regular consumers" feels that the product line is to expensive and that Apple is to much into the pro-market.

2. "Pro users" feels that Apple is turning to much "consumer" especially when it comes to the glossy screen and firewire flaws and that Apple is forgetting the Pro-users.

That leaves Apple with a very small and uncertain target group, those who are willing to pay premium prices for non-pro products. As a share holder this is troubling. Lycky enough Apple has very loyal customers who are determined to stick with Apple whatever happens and many, like myself, have built and purchased so many things based on the Apple platform such as peripherals and software that there really is no alternative than to stick with Apple. This is sad.

Those are my thoughts and I hope that they are valuable to Apple.

Fantastic post.
 
Does anyone have a clue on the speakers of the Macbook... Currently having a high-end ASUS notebook (V1J) that has worse speakers than most cheaper notebooks. Cannot even be set loud enough to watch DVD while understanding what is being said...
 
Just a note about the mid-range Macbook processor (or rather, former midrange, white Macbook Vs "bottom range" aluminium Macbook).

Yes, the clock speed is lower, but the FSB is better and the power consumption is down from 35W to 25W. The new processor used is P7350, which is basically a lower voltage version of the other Penryns. I doubt the drop in clock speed is really noticeable, but at least the power consumption should be better.
 
These notebooks are incredible.

Just 2 negative notes:
-MB don't have FireWire
-MBP are only glossy


Anyway they are incredible powerfull and thin. Well done Apple.
 
These notebooks are incredible.

Just 2 negative notes:
-MB don't have FireWire
-MBP are only glossy


Anyway they are incredible powerfull and thin. Well done Apple.

You did forget one thing, the new MBP is heavier than the old one and while I'm on it the new Cinema display has less brightness than than the old 23" cinema display (330cd/m2 vs 400cd/m2). That sounds as worsening to me. While other hardeware producers try to make their productes lighter and better Apples seems to try the other way. "think different"?
 
You did forget one thing, the new MBP is heavier than the old one and while I'm on it the new Cinema display has less brightness than than the old 23" cinema display (330cd/m2 vs 400cd/m2). That sounds as worsening to me. While other hardeware producers try to make their productes lighter and better Apples seems to try the other way. "think different"?

Well, it doesn't really make a difference because the optimal brightness for accuracy is around 140cd/m2. If you would actually compare the display to other 24" (or even 22") offerings regarding the physical size, you would understand how exceptional the Apple design is.

Only thing to find out - what kind of panel the new display is using.. IPS or S/P-VA
 
The difference between a pro and a consumer, is that the consumer looks at the screen, and the pro looks at the image that are displayed on the screen.
;)

errr he is saying that a pro doesn't always look at an image on the screen - pro's don't have to be designers!
 
You know, not all computer professionals are graphic designers :D

No, they are not. But most graphic designers (and photographers, video editors, etc etc etc) are Mac users.

Apple is slowly removing the tools we need to still work on these machines. To defend this policy is complete ignorance to image professionals.
 
Firewire is dead!

The macbook is a consumer machine...

Sure it's useful for people with old style DV cameras but the reality is that more people are starting to record their video using their mobile phones or digital camera and people are just transferring the video via memory cards or usb 2.0.

No one buys firewire drives any more USB 2 ones are just too cheap now.

The new iphones,ipods no longer support Firewire!?

It's a shame to say but, USB 2 won, Firewire is dead!!

Firewire 800 is there on the macbook pro, for pro users..
 
No, they are not. But most graphic designers (and photographers, video editors, etc etc etc) are Mac users.

Apple is slowly removing the tools we need to still work on these machines. To defend this policy is complete ignorance to image professionals.

I aren't defending any policy I was just saying that the guy above said that not all pro users are bothered about the image as they are performing other tasks.

Is everyone ignoring that fact that the 17" is gonna get a refresh? this still has the matte option!
 
The difference between a pro and a consumer, is that the consumer looks at the screen, and the pro looks at the image that are displayed on the screen.
;)

To be honest, I've never considered Apple an enterprise-oriented company, so I think any change that will make more consumers buy Apple hardware is a good thing for Apple - even if it is on the expense of the professional user.
 
1) Did the Air and 17" MacBook Pro keep the same old track pads with buttons?
2) Why is the Apple online store still down??? :confused:
3) Can one run Motion on the MacBook now?
4) Is the new 24" Cinema Display the only one available now?

1- 17" macBook yes, for now until revision
2- Yes
3- Yes for now (remember it is LED display).
 
To be honest, I've never considered Apple an enterprise-oriented company, so I think any change that will make more consumers buy Apple hardware is a good thing for Apple - even if it is on the expense of the professional user.

What?
How does removing a decent i/o technology make more users buy apple?

Seems to me that their products are now aimed even more at the clueless consumer.

It's not like they reduced the prices to anything near what the competition offer for a fraction of the cash - in a fair few countries, prices have even gone up.

Are they just milking people that are buying for looks (not that they look as nice as the older models), know no better or those that 'need' osx? Or are they just totally incompetent?

Saying that, if they keep the mini at the current price, bung in the macbook hardware and (maybe) switch to an atv sized case, I'll buy one - They should be giving those away free as a 'clip on' for the back of the 24" acd screen.
 
I'm a professional artist. Glossy screens are simply not acceptable for a pro user. Period. Ask anyone actually using a Mac for any type of artwork.

My wife has been waiting for the new MacBooks to come out to get a computer of her own. The one thing she hoped for was a lower price-point with the new models.

So who is Apple trying to appeal to? They raised their prices and hampered their pro machines with 'consumer' features. Looks like another Mobile Me style disaster to me. I hope they read this forum.
 
Well, it doesn't really make a difference because the optimal brightness for accuracy is around 140cd/m2. If you would actually compare the display to other 24" (or even 22") offerings regarding the physical size, you would understand how exceptional the Apple design is.

Only thing to find out - what kind of panel the new display is using.. IPS or S/P-VA

Ahh, and at the same time Apple tells us that if we are experiencing problems with reflections on our new glossy screens we should increase the brightness.
 
No, they are not. But most graphic designers (and photographers, video editors, etc etc etc) are Mac users.

Apple is slowly removing the tools we need to still work on these machines. To defend this policy is complete ignorance to image professionals.

so was it ignorance to defend the "only intel graphics in the macbooks" or "combo drive is good enough" by some image professionals on this very board ... for years ... to no end .. over and over again

i hope you will enjoy being on the other side just like i did

in overall the market wants:
faster 3d acceleration
glossy displays
intel CPUs
ability to boot windows
doesn't care about firewire

and apply delivers to the customer market for once (only missing are even lower entry prices and more choices for video ports withouts adapters and bluray)
 
Firewire is dead!

The macbook is a consumer machine...

Sure it's useful for people with old style DV cameras but the reality is that more people are starting to record their video using their mobile phones or digital camera and people are just transferring the video via memory cards or usb 2.0.

even from a recreational stand point the video quality on phones and cameras is weak. If that was Apple's idea then why is there no video on the iPhone?
 
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