Macbook pro 13in - Should I have waited?

[magbarn]

Don't bother to wait OP. I went through PowerPC-Intel transition and it took about 3 years before OS X apps on the Intel portion became native form 3rd party. There's also going to be many BUGS and BUGS.

When Apple went from PowerPC to Intel, it was a no-brainer as PowerPC was pathetic compared to core duo. I really don't see that as this time around eventually Intel will catch up and with Jim Keller on board, may have some nice surprises in the next year or so that should really boost Intel's performance. Eventually Apple/TSMC are going to hit a wall/problem too in their silicon process and will have to slow down (they're already doing it as the generational per core improvements in the Ax chips have slowed down considerably...). I just hope they don't return to the deceptive Apple advertising that they were doing early millennium where they were cherry picking benchmarks to make the G4/G5 look good with Intel's chips were smoking them already...

 

[BoneHead001]

Simple enough to look up
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Well, that's an unusual term to say the least. Technology changes at such a rapid pace that today's technology becomes obsolete very fast. There is absolutely nothing wrong with trying to stay on top of things in terms of using the latest technology or trying to future-proof a bit, knowing full well it will change very very soon.

 

[maflynn]

Well, that's an unusual term to say the least.

Not really, its a term that was and continues to be used fairly regularly ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Technology changes at such a rapid pace that today's technology

No question, but there are risks for being an early adopter of new technology, and those risks can come back to haunt you, i.e., on the bleeding edge.

 

[PBG4 Dude]

Don't bother to wait OP. I went through PowerPC-Intel transition and it took about 3 years before OS X apps on the Intel portion became native form 3rd party. There's also going to be many BUGS and BUGS.

When Apple went from PowerPC to Intel, it was a no-brainer as PowerPC was pathetic compared to core duo. I really don't see that as this time around eventually Intel will catch up and with Jim Keller on board, may have some nice surprises in the next year or so that should really boost Intel's performance. Eventually Apple/TSMC are going to hit a wall/problem too in their silicon process and will have to slow down (they're already doing it as the generational per core improvements in the Ax chips have slowed down considerably...). I just hope they don't return to the deceptive Apple advertising that they were doing early millennium where they were cherry picking benchmarks to make the G4/G5 look good with Intel's chips were smoking them already...

You mean you didn’t like learning how much better applying Guassian Blur was on PowerPC enabled Macs compared to intel machines?

 

[BoneHead001]

Not really, its a term that was and continues to be used fairly regularly ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


No question, but there are risks for being an early adopter of new technology, and those risks can come back to haunt you, i.e., on the bleeding edge.

It seems the term used is to shield anxiety and to justify their recent purchase in which they have exceeded their 14 day return period.

 

[Camarillo Brillo]

Huh?

It's a common term in tech articles. It has nothing to do with Apple's 14 day return window, or buyer's remorse. It's referring to brand new tech products and it's just a twist on the more common "cutting edge".

 

[jqc]

Great. Might get onto customer service and ask where I stand if this happens.

Sorry if this comes off as rude, but this is a complete waste of time. There are rumors that they will announce the ARM transition in about two weeks. What are you expecting to them to tell you? Do you think they are going to confirm it and the offer advice as to what to do? Do you think they will offer a refund to anyone who has just bought a Mac recently?

Do you think they can or would guarantee that your Mac is going to to be supported for X number of years, or to recommend that you hold off purchasing a Mac today? OF course not!

Also in terms of selling at a loss - Im sorry, but laptops are not an investment vehicle and they depreciate as newer technology comes a long. It doesn't make sense to to be worrying about what kind of loss you would take in selling it.

 

[BoneHead001]

Huh?

It's a common term in tech articles. It has nothing to do with Apple's 14 day return window, or buyer's remorse. It's referring to brand new tech products and it's just a twist on the more common "cutting edge".

Yes, I get that. “Bleeding Edge” is a sophomoric term used by some who wished that they had waited for the latest iteration.

 

[usagora]

Yes, I get that. “Bleeding Edge” is a sophomoric term used by some who wished that they had waited for the latest iteration.

It's a phrase used by ANYONE talking about tech, whether they're using that tech or not. Not sure why you're making a big deal about it just because you haven't heard it before. I never dreamed someone would find a way to make so much of a simple descriptive phrase! It's literally NO different than the simple phrase, "the latest in technology." It's just a matter of fact descriptor.

 

[Camarillo Brillo]

Yes, I get that. “Bleeding Edge” is a sophomoric term used by some who wished that they had waited for the latest iteration.

Lol doesn't seem like you get it at all. It has nothing to do with buyers remorse or wishing you had something newer. It's just a variation of a long-established term for the newest technology available or maybe not even yet available.

Could it be that YOU experienced some buyers remorse and are projecting?

 

[BoneHead001]

Lol doesn't seem like you get it at all. It has nothing to do with buyers remorse or wishing you had something newer. It's just a variation of a long-established term for the newest technology available or maybe not even yet available.

Could it be that YOU experienced some buyers remorse and are projecting?

LOL You don’t have to be an ass about it. You have your opinion, I have mine. If YOU are able to read, I clearly stated I returned my laptop.
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It's a phrase used by ANYONE talking about tech, whether they're using that tech or not. Not sure why you're making a big deal about it just because you haven't heard it before. I never dreamed someone would find a way to make so much of a simple descriptive phrase! It's literally NO different than the simple phrase, "the latest in technology." It's just a matter of fact descriptor.

Thanks for enlightening me.
I’m sure you have heard of every technical phrase ever used in the last 40 years, O Great Keeper of Knowlege.

 

[usagora]

Thanks for enlightening me.
I’m sure you have heard of every technical phrase ever used in the last 40 years, O Great Keeper of Knowlege.

No one has a problem with you not knowing it. It's your snarky remark ("Yes, I get that. 'Bleeding Edge' is a sophomoric term used by some who wished that they had waited for the latest iteration") that pretends you DO know what it means (when you clearly don't) that's the issue.

You're just trolling now. Conversation (and a very odd one at that) over.

 

[BoneHead001]

No one has a problem with you not knowing it. It's your snarky remark ("Yes, I get that. 'Bleeding Edge' is a sophomoric term used by some who wished that they had waited for the latest iteration") that pretends you DO know what it means (when you clearly don't) that's the issue.

You're just trolling now. Conversation (and a very odd one at that) over.

No trolling from me whatsoever.
I honesty did not know the term, in addition I dare to have my own thoughts — that isn’t “trolling”.

 

[Gbeer]

Still a huge amount of people saying they wouldn't buy a Mac until ARM is in place. Maybe the transition to ARM will be very smooth..

 

[hungryghosty]

Still a huge amount of people saying they wouldn't buy a Mac until ARM is in place. Maybe the transition to ARM will be very smooth..

My gut feeling is that many of those holdouts will realise after WWDC next week that waiting for ARM means they won't be able to buy an ARM Macbook until the middle of 2021 and grab something from the current line-up to tide them over for another year or two!

 

[Gbeer]

My gut feeling is that many of those holdouts will realise after WWDC next week that waiting for ARM means they won't be able to buy an ARM Macbook until the middle of 2021 and grab something from the current line-up to tide them over for another year or two!

Hopefully that is the case!

 

[hungryghosty]

Hopefully that is the case!

One thing I think it might affect is sales of the higher spec Macbook's. Folk might start thinking "If I only have this device for 2-3 years rather than 4+ then maybe I shouldn't bother increasing the RAM to 16/32Gb or increasing the size of the SSD to 1Tb+.

I'm wondering that myself if rather than spec'ing a top-end 13" maybe it would make more sense to buy the base model and bank the $500 difference towards an ARM Macbook in a few year time ?

 

[Gbeer]

Well, I've just bought an i7, 16mb Macbook pro 13in 2020. I'm hoping it will last 4 years!

 

[hungryghosty]

Well, I've just bought an i7, 16mb Macbook pro 13in 2020. I'm hoping it will last 4 years!

Of course it'll easily last you 4 years+ ! Apple always support their laptops for well over 5 years and I've no reason to think this will be any different because of the change in processor architecture. Also, bear in mind that initially we expect only the Macbook Air 13"/12" Macbook lines are going to be replaced by ARM. the Pro 13" 16" models will likely remain Intel X86 for longer as it's doubtful whether ARM chips will match their performance until several years time.

👍

 

[Gbeer]

Hope you are right. You are even considering yourself about the longevity of the Intel Mac

 

[PBG4 Dude]

Yes, I get that. “Bleeding Edge” is a sophomoric term used by some who wished that they had waited for the latest iteration.

No trolling from me whatsoever.
I honesty did not know the term, in addition I dare to have my own thoughts — that isn’t “trolling”.

Which one is it? You didn’t know the term or you so deeply understand it that you can call the term “sophomoric”?

 

[hungryghosty]

Hope you are right. You are even considering yourself about the longevity of the Intel Mac

If you're genuinely that worried just return the device and wait until after WWDC to re-order but I doubt things will change much! I expect all they'll say next week is that they're making the transition and here's an xcode ARM emulator so devs can begin porting/testing their apps over the coming years.

Actually if you want to save some money return the i7 and get an i5 model instead as unless you desperately need the extra 10% performance boost if offers it's kind of a waste of cash according to most benchmarks I've seen!

Your call though

 

[Gbeer]

I'm quite happy with my Mac, it just the concern that the intel version won't get much love in the next few years. Saved up a lot to get this device.

 

[hungryghosty]

I'm quite happy with my Mac, it just the concern that the intel version won't get much love in the next few years. Saved up a lot to get this device.

If you're happy with the device then there's no need to worry about that. There'll be the same apps available on both the Intel and any future ARM versions for at least the next 5 -6 years.

 

[Gbeer]

Gbeer, take a deep breath. You are way overthinking this (and unfortunately, a few posters are adding fuel to the fire). Your computer will be fine for many years to come. Developers aren't going to abandon Intel Mac users because many people will still be using Intel Macs for many years to come. With the rate technology changes, if you start thinking this way, you will NEVER buy any computer. Just relax and use your new MacBook Pro!

FWIW, I just spent more money on a Mac than I ever have on a 2019 iMac 5K, and I have zero concern for its longevity.

Would you consider selling your iMac if ARM came into play in the next year or so?
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If you're happy with the device then there's no need to worry about that. There'll be feature parity between the Intel and any future ARM versions for at least the next 5 -6 years.

That sounds alright then!