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Macbook Pro 15inch 2011 ATI 6750m Game Benchmarks
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like i said, 6750m is a so so card on windows side.
thats why you will never find a video on youtube of starcraft 2 windows 7 via bootcamp. all vids are on Osx 10.6.7 (with the latest driver update)
i wish i could show you an entire battle of desert strike 3v3 on my gt330 running at 80-90fps and drops to 40-50 during gigantic battles, but once again people will still criticize.
i'll try to make a fast 2min vids in HD and post today.
As for all the black tongues that said i run crysis 2 on low, i run it on extreme shaders, details etc with aa off, vsync off and other effects off because my card doesnt support direct x 11 anyway. only direct x 10.1 so its kind of useless.
nonetheless, i did turned on the effects and fps drops a little bit (mostly when motion blur is on and shadows) and i still get a good gameplay experience.
the quality of the vid i posted doesnt look nice cause youtube downgraded the quality somehow. i'll also try to make a 2min HD vid.
Once again, the big conclusion of this whole 6750 vs 330 is :
6750 pros : faster than 330gt on OSX, support direct x 11 on windows side, not as fast as overclocked gt330 on windows. has 1gb gddr5 vs 512mb gddr3.
6750 cons : fans run fullspeed while gaming, very poor drivers support on windows side, physx engine not entirely supported in some games and make them crash, is still not a 1st class gaming card as noted by notebookcheckreview.com
the day Apple chose to go with ati for graphics is the day that i stop thinking keeping the 2011. 2010 is plenty powerful and has the same battery life.
cheers
thats why you will never find a video on youtube of starcraft 2 windows 7 via bootcamp. all vids are on Osx 10.6.7 (with the latest driver update)
i wish i could show you an entire battle of desert strike 3v3 on my gt330 running at 80-90fps and drops to 40-50 during gigantic battles, but once again people will still criticize.
i'll try to make a fast 2min vids in HD and post today.
As for all the black tongues that said i run crysis 2 on low, i run it on extreme shaders, details etc with aa off, vsync off and other effects off because my card doesnt support direct x 11 anyway. only direct x 10.1 so its kind of useless.
nonetheless, i did turned on the effects and fps drops a little bit (mostly when motion blur is on and shadows) and i still get a good gameplay experience.
the quality of the vid i posted doesnt look nice cause youtube downgraded the quality somehow. i'll also try to make a 2min HD vid.
Once again, the big conclusion of this whole 6750 vs 330 is :
6750 pros : faster than 330gt on OSX, support direct x 11 on windows side, not as fast as overclocked gt330 on windows. has 1gb gddr5 vs 512mb gddr3.
6750 cons : fans run fullspeed while gaming, very poor drivers support on windows side, physx engine not entirely supported in some games and make them crash, is still not a 1st class gaming card as noted by notebookcheckreview.com
the day Apple chose to go with ati for graphics is the day that i stop thinking keeping the 2011. 2010 is plenty powerful and has the same battery life.
cheers
superkrups20056
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I did NOT. I installed 11.4 on top of the boot camp drivers. I am going to go ahead and uninstall my graphics drivers via the Device Manager. I'll let you know if anything changes, but why do I have to uninstall my old drivers first?
I am starting to see where you are coming from, but I think there is hope, man. First of all, battery life wise I've found this 2011 Macbook Pro to be SLIGHTLY longer than the 2010 Macbook Pro in Boot Camp. On OSX, Engadget reports that this 2011 Macbook Pro has battery life comparable to the Macbook Air.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/04/macbook-pro-review-early-2011/
The reason why I say that this still may have a chance on Boot Camp is because of a recent situation I encountered. I was using a program called VH Capture to record my screen to show you guys what I am talking about when I say that the card lags during the big battles. The utility I used to display the frame rate was ATI Tray tools. I even overclocked the card to 750/950 using this guide:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1142028/
While plugged in, I was playing a custom game of Starcraft II that I did not care about losing. My opponent had massed thors and was blasting away my Hydralisks. The battle was, as usual, running at 20-25 FPS. But when I started the screen recording, the frame rate jumped to 60-75 FPS I couldn't believe it! Everything was so smooth, and this was in the middle of a huge battle! I've never felt this game work so well before on Boot Camp! I immediately switched all the graphics settings to 'high' and was still achieving around 35-40 FPS! But then when I turned off the screen recording, the frame rate immediately dropped to 15-20 FPS. Switching it back to low and medium graphical settings yielded the basic 20-25 FPS that I always experienced.
The experience was so unique that I started my own thread about it yesterday:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1144780/
One individual suggested that I check to see if the computer was using the Intel HD 3000 to run Starcraft II instead of the ATI 6750M, but I don't know how to check that?
I am not quite sure what exactly you smoking out of.
First of all, Crysis 2 does NOT support DX11 at the moment, only DX9.
Second, you have turn EVERY EFFECTS OFF in your Video, Shader to Extreme DOES NOT DO ANYTHING base on the video you post. You can find there is a post after yours with MBP 2011 6750M running on all Very High.
Very High in Crysis 2 is just Extreme without the blurry AntiAlias. There is NO EFFECTS thats been turn off, and still manage to run smoother than your video. Can GT 330M do this? NO.
In SC2, I can turn on Extreme and Ultra setting without a issue under windows. Can GT 330M do that? NO.
Stop spreading false information just because you think 6750M suck.
6750M is at least twice faster than GT330M, doesn't matter in windows or OSX, both show the same result.
I am really not sure why you still spreading FUD after someone post a video of Crysis 2 running on Very High in game on 6750M, and that is without ANY effects turn off. I have already proved you are wrong.
What is my next step? Take a video too? If you really want me to bash throughout, then yes I will make myself one if I have to.
I agree, I've had both 2010 and 2011 and the 6750 is quite a bit better on both windows and osx. on the 2010 starcraft was great on high, on the 2011, it was just as smooth on ultra. I play on bootcamp btw, cause for some reason my 2011 doesn't like sc2 on osx.
you mad ? just because we're trying to get evidence on the real speed of that 6750 under windows 7 ?
yes, i would love to see you post the video of starcraft 2 running in high/ultra
with fraps on. that would actually be the first video on internet showing the 6750 handling starcraft 2 in bootcamp.
and while you're at it, make a desert strike game.
like i said, many users report terrible performance under bootcamp for some games. here is the ex for star2 :
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2140444740?page=4
P.s : this guy has a good hint : "Omega
you'll find that ultra and extreme will come to a crawl when you get in the right maps or into a huge battle. test those settings in single player campeign mission "In Utter Darkness" 😉
#73"
try to do this if you can
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superkrups20056
macrumors member
You have a point. I for one am having HORRIBLE problems running Starcraft II on boot camp. On my other thread, I did some tests and found out that without VH capture recording the screen, the GPU % activity was not utilized to its full potential. This was causing extremely low framerates even on the lower graphical settings. Attached is an image of my tests, and notice how the GPU is not fully utilized.
I also agree, I have not seen a true video of gameplay from a 2011 Macbook pro running Starcraft II via Boot Camp running smoothly, although darkeartg reports that it has been working for him...
One thing to note is that I did another test with Portal 1. WITHOUT VH CAPTURE RECORDING THE SCREEN, the GPU activity was at a solid 99%.
Therefore, this problem MAY BE ISOLATED to Starcraft II. I hope someone figures out how to fix it!
EDIT: I just tested League of Legends, and the same situation with Starcraft II is occuring. The graphics card is being under utilized. I'm not sure why it doesn't work for some games (Starcraft II, League of Legends, and does work for others (Portal 1). Maybe it is using the Intel HD 3000, but I don't know how to check that. Whatever the case, gaming performance for me has sucked immensely on Boot Camp Windows 7.
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You are the one who is making no sense. I am really not sure why you still trolls around like that.
First, In your own video, you contradict your own word in both FPS count and Graphic settings. You are misleading with your own performance test.
Second, someone else already post Crysis 2 with all setting max out with no AA applied, run as fast as what you have on GT330 beside you turn off every freaking effects setting.
Third, while you false claim your post and been proved to be wrong. Why you still trying to make GT 330M run faster than 6750M when IT DOES NOT!! And Obviously ITS NOT!
Btw, why the heck I am going to record Desert strike? Even both of my GTX 480 @ 870Mhz/2000 and 6970 @ 1020Mhz/1525 couldn't handle it with smooth frame rate, it would be a complete irrelevant test to begin with since its one of the very few custom map that will torture the GPU like mad. In Utter Darkness is a side campaign of Protoss. It does almost the exact same thing like Desert Strike but not as extreme. (Desert strike most likely a BUG to cause it)
Since most people play ladder on SC2, I see no point to test anything beyond that. And you claim you run Ultra on it smoothly, I would like to see your claim first. 🙄
Even a old GTX 260 have little bit of trouble to reach that FPS you claim, while GT 330M is like 10 times weaker than it. 😱
If you still not going to answer or reply to the 3 thing I point out, I really have no point to argue any further since your intention become more obvious to me and others.
Seriously you sound like we all need to play crysis 2 in Ultra or Hardcore settings turned on. My point is that the game run at a very good fps and is beautiful.
i just tested the gamer settings, advanced and hardcore to see the fps with fraps. here is the result
gamer : 30-35fps
advanced : 20-25
hardcore : 18-20
thats without tweakings, mods or anything else.
with the settings i have used, the game look exactly the same and i get up to 54 fps (with textures mode from crysis 1 on)
This guy : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13sTJlYIM0k
gets between 30-50fps on gamers settings, on what ? multiplayer maps (and thats the demo !)
on the demo i got exactly the same as this vid is showing, nothing extraordinary for ''twice the upgrade''
i was expecting at least a steady 40-50 fps while playing crysis 2 with high settings on this 2011 version.
Don't get me wrong, i have the money to spend to get the new one and i did buy it. but i wasnt really impressed.
Like yesterday, i gave back the iPad 2 at the apple store cause its not as 3x times faster than the first 1.
i feel like Apple has been ********ing its whole 2011 products.
''The new iphone 4 in white '' -------- who are they kidding ?
you get what i am trying to say ? 6750 is faster than gt330, but not as fast as it is supposed to be !
exactly like the 9600m gt was a slight upgrade from the 8600mgt.
nothing to be excited about.
And why Apple chose ATI ? huh ? cause they got problems nvidia ? not only that, but also cause AMD is less expensive than nvidia for gpu parts. Creative cost effect.
Virtual-digital jazz man !
Good God this thread is being filled with UTTER FUD! 😱😱
Check the machine in my sig, it cannot handle Crysis 1 at the default res unless all settings are at low! So for you to run Crysis 2, SC 2, etc etc at high settings and frame rates then you have to be overclocking that 330M majorly!
And some of you need to be reminded that the FUD being spread here is when tests are being run with the 330M being OVERCLOCKED. On this very fact alone half the stuff being said is FUD because for tests to be accurate and fair and what 90% of Mac users will experience then ALL tests MUST be run with ALL cards at the default speeds and NOT overclocked!
There are a few users on here who have posted some very accurate and great videos on You Tube that don't lie and show the real potential for the 6750m.
Check the machine in my sig, it cannot handle Crysis 1 at the default res unless all settings are at low! So for you to run Crysis 2, SC 2, etc etc at high settings and frame rates then you have to be overclocking that 330M majorly!
And some of you need to be reminded that the FUD being spread here is when tests are being run with the 330M being OVERCLOCKED. On this very fact alone half the stuff being said is FUD because for tests to be accurate and fair and what 90% of Mac users will experience then ALL tests MUST be run with ALL cards at the default speeds and NOT overclocked!
There are a few users on here who have posted some very accurate and great videos on You Tube that don't lie and show the real potential for the 6750m.
1st, "overclocked" gt330 is a big word. they are the frequencies in which Apple should have shipped with.
2nd, "utter FUD" is when Apple lie to its loyal for years customers like me about products that are not significantly faster or do not offer uber "magical" breakthrough.
The only revolutionary thing they did with the pro line was in term of design and battery life. now for the rest, anybody can interpret it the way they want to.
Now you come across as a troll and have little understanding for Apple and what it aims to do with it's products. If you don't get the company then please don't try to argue against it's products, just go else where?
A Troll ? i own more Apple product than you do.
i work for Apple you stupid noob, thats why i am posting here. Cause i know the company marketing effect on nerds like you.
lol, a troll. only nerds seriously use that word nowadays
P.S : 6750 sucks, Ati sucks and everybody knows it. period.
ok tell me please what apple aims to do with its product ?
making them 3x faster every time, or magically reinvented to revolution once again the macbook pro line ? (which didn't change since the first aluminum body)
Apple should have rolled out flying laptops made in adamantium with freaking lasers beam on it. not thunderbolts ports that serves no purposes.
Oh, and Apple aims to take your money mainly 😉
don't be pissed cause they are quite efficient at it
Erasmus
macrumors 68030
I'm running Starcraft 2 on Ultra settings at 1920x1200 in Windows 7 Professional, and it runs ~40-50 fps most of the time. No overclocking, standard 6750M in 17" 2011 MBP.
6750M is amazing. If you want something better, stop complaining about Apple's offerings, and buy a 17" HP Envy or something. The new 2011 MBPs are unbelievably fast. If this was a real debate, I wouldn't be able to say that last statement, because it's a truism.
6750M is amazing. If you want something better, stop complaining about Apple's offerings, and buy a 17" HP Envy or something. The new 2011 MBPs are unbelievably fast. If this was a real debate, I wouldn't be able to say that last statement, because it's a truism.
Oh cool I must have hit a nerve? And so you work for Apple yet come on here slagging it's products off putting off potential buyers, and, there fore your wages?? Oh please.......
Yeah mate, we ALL believe you 😉
And EVERBODY knows ATI sucks? And just who are these 'everybody' cause they aren't members on this forum, reviewers across the web... please tell?
And you own more Apple products then me? Great, but I didn't know it was a pissing contest?? If you want to wave your willy go ahead but it still doesn't stop you being a troll who talks FUD because your overclocking your laptop.........
The FACT is the 6750 is faster then the 330, this is a FACT you cannot get away from or deny because there are a LOT more members and reviewers out there then you and they all say this and that again is a FACT.
It's also a FACT that you are talking FUD when you state the THUNDERBOLT port serves NO purpose!! Not yet mate...................
There is no need to argue further, I find it to be a clear troll and a nVidia fanboy.
He contradict his claim and proved to be wrong. He still keep it going and ignore all those post or quotes.
And now he claim to be working for Apple, sounds like a typical kid would say when couldn't argue further. 😉
no no no no, if i was an nvidia fanboy i would have said clearly : '' Buy Nvidia Gpu, nothing else ! or goto Hell ! ''
Am a fan of nobody, i am just a lost poet that is not yet understood. Maybe the day i'll die lmao
Erasmus
macrumors 68030
aznguyen316
macrumors 68010
To be fair, he has a 1680x1050 screen, makes a world of difference in performance. 1440x900 is closer (still less) than 1280x1024 and when I switched to that resolution (1440x900 isn't available) using your graphics settings I hit max of 70FPS... hung around 50-60's.
I think I may try to install SC2 on bootcamp and check performance there. I love uploading videos too so we'll see if I do that =) I think there aren't many videos because well... people don't want to make videos lol. I did an OSX b/c that's what I play on. Not because some reason I was getting crap for FPS on boot camp and wanted to hide it. Just didn't want to waste my time installing it.
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ok that would be cool man.
wait a sec, you hit 70 fps with the settings i have on my vid ? (all "effects" turned off ) ? well more than effects, i would say they are more lag than anything else.
thats a good point 70fps crushes my 30-50 fps by a good margin then...
is it stock or overclocked 6750 gpu ?
i dont understand : lots of people have average fps with this card, others like you very good one.
So i am starting to think that maybe people don't know how to install ati drivers or optimize them...
1 guy said he's getting a solid 50-60 fps in starcraft 2 under win7 x64
thats also very good..
hell, thats what i expected from the gpu : a good 20-30 fps difference in games!! if it is only a 10-15fps, its nothing really exciting like i have seen on youtube.
i had the pro 11 under my hands, but in the same time i was in a rush testing it to get my money back at the apple store just in case i couldnt resell my 2010. By that time, the new catalyst driver were not out.
so maybe now they're finally releasing a good version.
the gt330 has very good driver support, BUT if the 6750 gives a solid 30fps gain in games, i am sold again.
all i want is a card that will be available to handle the starcraft 2 trilogy.
aznguyen316
macrumors 68010
hey goldsaint, glad you can be a good sport through out all this =)
Yeah I peaked at 70, but def didn't average that =) Yeah that was when all effects were turned off, I mirrored your settings in the wasdie config but at 1680x1050 resolution.
I just got done installing SC2 on boot camp to test it. I didn't have any of my 4v4 replays available to run so I did a quick run of In utter darkness or whichever you suggested for campaign. I did a little tech video on that, compared it at my native res and dropped it down a couple resolutions as well and back up. On ultra setting at native res stock clocks I was getting anywhere from 32 to I think 45-50. You'll have to watch the video and see, I forget. I was trying to fail macro/micro lol.
Then I over clocked it and went from ultra to extreme. Got around avg 45FPS with that. But it's hard to explain it all, I guess if you watch the video you'll see. I also played shatter the sky and I got much better FPS than in utter darkness on ultras still. Like avg 40-45.
Anyway I'm doing a quick edit in iMovie and gonna just upload it on youtube so it'll be available sometime soon! I only have vid of my Utter darkness gameplay.
Yeah I peaked at 70, but def didn't average that =) Yeah that was when all effects were turned off, I mirrored your settings in the wasdie config but at 1680x1050 resolution.
I just got done installing SC2 on boot camp to test it. I didn't have any of my 4v4 replays available to run so I did a quick run of In utter darkness or whichever you suggested for campaign. I did a little tech video on that, compared it at my native res and dropped it down a couple resolutions as well and back up. On ultra setting at native res stock clocks I was getting anywhere from 32 to I think 45-50. You'll have to watch the video and see, I forget. I was trying to fail macro/micro lol.
Then I over clocked it and went from ultra to extreme. Got around avg 45FPS with that. But it's hard to explain it all, I guess if you watch the video you'll see. I also played shatter the sky and I got much better FPS than in utter darkness on ultras still. Like avg 40-45.
Anyway I'm doing a quick edit in iMovie and gonna just upload it on youtube so it'll be available sometime soon! I only have vid of my Utter darkness gameplay.
Alright ! finally a starcraft 2 win7 on the 6750 !
i can't wait seriously ! if tje video proves to run the game way better than my gt330, i'll just sell my 2010 and get again the new one !
then we'll call all this discussion a day 😉
p. s : did you apply thermal paste or something ?
i have read reports that users were litterally replacing the heatsink and apply a mx4 thermal paste to get the proper ventilation of the gpu.
that sounds too far fetched though, but nonetheless possible