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not to be rude or anything (and i hope this does NOT Happen!!!) but suppose, (just suppose) that apple releases a C2D now and then later on in hte year a i processor.. i know the likely hood of this is rare and just plain stupid, but that would be funny (well sort of, in a sense)

but those sandy bridges look cool, especially the built in heat thingy.. wish i waited :p
 
I was also thinking if Intel retracts their proposed intro of next gen.

Not gonna happen. It's only two weeks left and why on earth would Intel throw out their years of work, lots of money and their relations? It's not like "hey, turn that switch into 22nm now", die shrink requires lots of work.

Does anyone think they might use the low voltage Core i7s? These seem to be much better processors.

In what? Way too expensive though
 
Not gonna happen. It's only two weeks left and why on earth would Intel throw out their years of work, lots of money and their relations? It's not like "hey, turn that switch into 22nm now", die shrink requires lots of work.

The early proposal for Intel road map was made last year for for 22 for mid-2011, but most industry watchers think more like 2012 as a realistic date.

It makes a lot of sense to work the Sandy Bridge through all of next year and then roll out Ivy Bridge. I was just hoping we would see Ivy by summer, that's all.

My Core i3 (32 nanos) PC laptop works well and never gets hot and battery times are great. I can't wait to see how that will translate with 22 and Ivy Bridge.:D
 
There are a few things nobody has even mentioned. I am going to write about several things that I predict and/or wish to see on the new MacBook Pro lineup, which will likely be released Feb - Apr. 2011.

1. SSD standard. Apple will ditch the conventional hard drive on all models and move to using blade SSD based storage like the MacBook Air on all models of MacBook Pro. These will be available in 129GB, 256GB, and 512GB sizes. It will not be like the SSD Apple uses now in the MBP which is a hard drive 2.5" form-factor, it will be designed for ultra-low profile and small size/weight.

2. MUCH Better Power-management, 30-day sleep, instant-on. Just like the MacBook Air, the new MacBook Pros will feature instant-on from sleep and the ability to sleep up to 30 days. The current MacBook Pros can only sleep a few days on a full charge before the battery is completely drained. The new MacBook Pros will be able to sleep for weeks, even over a month, and be able to wake and work for several hours after being hibernated for extended periods of time.

3. Thin, super-slim, new case design/form factor and super-light weight. Apple will take the design of the MacBook Air, its super-thin profile and redesign the MacBook Pro case chassis from the ground up, giving it ultra-thin profile and super low weight. Expect a MacBook Pro only weighing about 3.5 - 4lbs max, about a third lighter and 50% thinner. Apple will probably not ditch the Optical Drive, but do not count this out. Apple is going to online downloads for software, and with the introduction of the App Store in January, Apple may decide that there is no longer a need at all for an ODD on the MacBook Pro, and make this an external option for those who need the drive.

4. Something not mentioned. Two words. RETINA DISPLAY. Apple has been experimenting with this breakthrough hi-resolution display technology, and with OS X Lion or future updates, Apple may introduce resolution independence for the OS, allowing for displays with ppi of up to 300 or higher. Think, iPhone display, but 15" in size, super high resolution, over twice as many pixels in the current hi-resolution MacBook Pro displays. This may be a far-off thing, it may not happen now, but this is where Apple is headed with their displays, definitely, in the future. Hi-resolution, large-size, IPS Retina Displays for laptops. If Apple doesn't go this route, they will start the 13" at 1440x900, the 15" will all be 1680x1050 with possibly a 1920x1200 option, and the 17" will remain at 1920x1200.

5. Of course, Sandy Bridge will be the processor architecture adopted in the new MBP with the possibility of the first quad-core options being offered in a Mac notebook. Don't count this out. Processor speeds could top out at 3.2GHz with a 2.8GHz quad-core option. I am not doubting that this will be something new and breakthrough for Apple, and they will eventually introduce a quad-core Sandy Bridge notebook.

6. It would be nice, but I would like Apple to build some kind of 3G or 4G connectivity into the MacBooks, like there is on the iPad 3G. This will allow for wireless connectivity anywhere without having to tether. But, this is probably not going to happen. Just doesn't look like it.

That's all for now. Hope I kinda shared some of my insight on this topic. These are just my ideas...but some of them I think are pretty firm as to the direction Apple is going with the new MBP lineup. Steve said the MacBook Air is just a "glimpse of things to come" and that these are the "First of our new generation of MacBooks".

Have a Merry Christmas everyone, best wishes, and keep the Mac spirit alive!
 
@Ward C,
- Let us not forget that if Apple wants to keep the Optical Drive, they cannot come close to the MBA's form factor (other than making it thinner - if they include flash mem, the MBP would definitely be thinner)
- And, as for Retina Display, I would understand everyone wants a HD screen (even I do) but not a true RETINA DISPLAY. I mean, you rarely hold a MBP inches from your face. It's not practical - and apple's too cheap to do it for screens like the MBP + MBA's size.
 
3. Thin, super-slim, new case design/form factor and super-light weight.

Apple can't reduce the size or weight by much without taking out or compromising the components. Take a look at the current 15" MBP, the SuperDrive takes roughly 1/4 of the innards. Battery takes another 1/4 or so (maybe a tad more). Swapping HD for blade-SSD (which I doubt since reasonably sized SSDs are way too expensive) will free up some space but not that much. If the ODD is removed, then Apple could shrink the size and reduce the weight by few percents but I bet Apple would just replace the ODD with bigger battery.

Also, the ports in MBP makes it so thick. Ethernet port is relatively tall. Sure, Apple can still make it a bit thinner but again, not much without compromising the performance.

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4. Something not mentioned. Two words. RETINA DISPLAY.

You would need 3840x2400 resolution in 15" MBP to achieve PPI close to 300. That resolution doesn't even exist in high-end 30" monitors, let alone in 15" laptops! 13" will get 1440x900 and 15" will get 1680x1050.

5. Processor speeds could top out at 3.2GHz with a 2.8GHz quad-core option.

According to the leaked product maps, quads will top out at 2.5GHz (55W) and duals will top out at 2.7GHz (35W). Turbo will be 3.4-3.5GHz though.
 
ouch. wouldnt it take a BEAST of a graphics card to run a 15" retina display. wonder what the resolution would be. A waste if you ask me...

Nah, no form re-design (though that have had chance to play in the last few months). SSD as standard with 2nd HDD in place of ODD.
 
Do you think they'll upgrade before Lion?

As we know, the new OS Lion will come out summer'11, what I'm curious about is if Apple actually will upgrade any Macs before this OS update. It sounds strange to upgrade for instance in april, and then there are only about 3 months until Lion comes, but the upgraded ones will still run Snow Leopard. What do you reckon?
 
I had to think about it for a bit and I watched the MBA video one more time just to be sure.

Flash storage will be the same on the MBP as was before - an option. Otherwise you will get a standard HD.

The ODD will be taken out of the 13 and possibly remain in the 15 and 17.

Processor will change to SB and GPU will change to ATI to avoid the legal issues with Intel and Nvidia. Granted the issues have been resolved (hopefully), but by the time R&D and QA come into play, it will be months before something will come out. Maybe later this year with a refresh, but I doubt it.

The 13in will have some extra space therefore giving it some room for the logic board and maybe some extra battery life. However if you take a look at the ipad, Apple doesn't really care about wasted space :/

The case will stay the same, however their will be some changes to the front as well as the side to minimize sharp edges.
 
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light peak is somnething a lot of people are forgetting, chances are that lightpeak should be included (but we will find that out soon?)

btw does anyone know what LP looks like (the port atleast or something?) if they do add light peak, then the chassis would have to change a bit
 
It would be nice to have an SSD blade to boot from, maybe 32GB for the OS and apps from Mac App Store. Then have 5 choices for HDDs: 500GB/1TB HDD, 128GB/256GB/512GB SSD.
 
I am going to write about several things that I predict and/or wish to see on the new MacBook Pro lineup, which will likely be released Feb - Apr. 2011.

From what I've heard, Intel has ramped up their Sandy Bridge production a while back so Apple should have enough chips for a MBP release as early as mid January.

SSD standard. Apple will ditch the conventional hard drive on all models and move to using blade SSD based storage like the MacBook Air on all models of MacBook Pro.

I agree. I strongly doubt Apple will put anything else than SSDs in the new MBP. The OS is not able to properly deal with a two-HD-setup (a small SSD and a larger HD) by e.g. virtually merging the two disks on the front end and "magically" deciding what file should be kept where, and Apple certainly does not want to deal with problems that arise if users place files on the "wrong" disk.

While the MPB is made for "pro" users, these aren't computer experts but mainly people working in the creative industries who pay the premium price for things that "just work".

2. MUCH Better Power-management, 30-day sleep, instant-on.

My 2007 MBP always has been "instant on" when awaking from sleep, so this is mainly a marketing term that allows to sell the SSDs for a premium price in comparison to slower hard disks.

Thin, super-slim, new case design/form factor and super-light weight.

This will only be possible with the removal of the optical drive. So if the next MBP has a revised casing, it'll completely remove the drive, if not, then the casing will remain the same old unibody. Apple will certainly not introduce a new casing if they don't plan to keep it for at least 3 years.

As a personal note: reduced weight, more battery and a smaller form factor are on the top of my wish list for the MBP, I don't want a MBA as I want a matte 15" screen, a good CPU, more ports (including Ethernet, my company does not have WLAN for security reasons) and a kensington lock. And for the rare occasions where I need a optical drive I can use a external drive.

Two words. RETINA DISPLAY. Apple has been experimenting with this breakthrough hi-resolution display technology, and with OS X Lion or future updates, Apple may introduce resolution independence for the OS, allowing for displays with ppi of up to 300 or higher.

To support "old" software without aliasing troubles you'd need to double the pixels horizontally and vertically. That's not possible for notebook screen sizes (and won't be for a few years), so they can only increase the pixel density by 10-20%. But this would cause even smaller fonts and icons, therefor I doubt Apple won't increase the pixel density until >50% of their users use a OS with resolution independence. Aka we'll have to wait for 2012 for higher display resolutions.

It would be nice, but I would like Apple to build some kind of 3G or 4G connectivity into the MacBooks, like there is on the iPad 3G.

Doubt this will ever happen. Apple wants to sell their iPads and iPhones, plus supporting the different 3G/4G standards across the world is a pain for Apple.
 
alexandero;11622917Apple will put anything else than SSDs in the new MBP. The OS is not able to properly deal with a two-HD-setup (a small SSD and a larger HD) by e.g. virtually merging the two disks on the front end and "magically" deciding what file should be kept where said:
This is what I though but look at the 27" iMacs. BTO options exist for SSD+HD.
 
From what I've heard, Intel has ramped up their Sandy Bridge production a while back so Apple should have enough chips for a MBP release as early as mid January.

I don't know why the delay or if it's related just to Apple Inc, but if Ivy Bridge has been considered for Q1 2012 instead of Q3 2011, the holding back of Sandy Bridge seems like the likely reason.

I don't know if the speculation on Intel's improved integrated graphics will make a determination on how it relates to Apple gear. Of course in the past, the large section of the market for Apple which came from graphic design professionals preferred a separate GPU like nVidia or ATI. What the capability of Sandy Bridge and later Ivy Bridge will hold, and what the current market of Apple laptops require from most buyers, will probably determine how the final product comes out.

If Intel and nVidia don't have their lawsuit issues resolved with Apple and if Intel i-series chips will allow nVidia GPUs on future Macbooks, then it's unclear what we may see. Hopefully, we as consumers have a choice.
 
I dont care what the next MBP would have but I'm gonna be ordering a high end 15 or 17" when it comes out because my current Core Duo is literally dying a slow death.
 
I dont care what the next MBP would have but I'm gonna be ordering a high end 15 or 17" when it comes out because my current Core Duo is literally dying a slow death.

I want to get a 17" too, anyone else in that market? I'm hoping for a slightly higher res display, hdd ssd RAID 0 setup with a removed odd, a quad core SB and the new ATI 6000m gpu...not to be greedy... And i would upgrade to 8gb ram if it remains at 4 standard to improve gaming and Photoshop. Anyone have a plausible 17" wish list?
 
I want to get a 17" too, anyone else in that market? I'm hoping for a slightly higher res display, hdd ssd RAID 0 setup with a removed odd, a quad core SB and the new ATI 6000m gpu...not to be greedy... And i would upgrade to 8gb ram if it remains at 4 standard to improve gaming and Photoshop. Anyone have a plausible 17" wish list?

Hooray, I am in the same market.

My wish list is:
- Slightly better resolution display. Doesn't have to be "Retina" (lol)
- Omission of the optical drive bay. (Two years of this MBP I only used it twice, both for OS X installation)
- Better graphic card (I upgrade my 17" MBP every two years since the latest Powerbook model and I find my MBP to be inferior to other PCs in terms of gaming graphics on Bootcamp). This will be possible with the omission of the optical drive.
- SD card slot
- 3G SIM card slot? It's small and not that costly to add (hardware wise, not software). I would love to have access to the internet everywhere! Wi-Fi can be more expensive if you pay for them at Starbucks or hotels and stuff.
- SSD stick card built-in (like the MacBook Air's) PLUS another HDD!

Cannot wait until April. Want to fast forward the time!
 
God, i hate itoy kids that come in here talking about retina displays, just because they own a measly ipod touch.

Just drop it. Please. Consider the viewing distance please, its a reason why the pixel density is so high on the iphone 4, because its littearly in your face. Try putting a macbook right infront of your face.
 
4. Something not mentioned. Two words. RETINA DISPLAY.

I seriously doubt this is going to happen. I don't believe the technology is available yet, no manufacturers have boasted about it. Even if we assume that Apple has this one hidden up their sleeve, OSX is not as resolution independent as Windows. Everything on a 300+ DPI display would be tiny. Yield also drops dramatically when you increase the size of anything so the production costs of putting such a screen on a notebook would be disproportionately high compared to the iphone.
 
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