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Okay, an update for you all.

I'm now running the same game above on the max graphics without the fans on the MacBook kicking in. I had to make my external monitor the primary display, and adjust the monitor settings to make it run smooth, but now everything is running silently and like a dream. Which is something my old MacBook never did.

I cannot speak for other games just yet, I might get around to trying some others, but if this is anything to go by, then the others should be okay.
 
It plays ok on a 2017 13” i7 as long as the settings are medium to low but the fans drive me nuts.
Is that on full retina resolution (2560*1600 IIRC)? I was thinking of kicking down to quarter resolution, because I don't need the game looking super pretty when I'm away from home. I just need to be able to play it, which I just can't on my old 2011 13" MBP; it is so damn slow. Even with everything set rock bottom low it chugs like crazy (and of course the fan spins like a damned turbine.)
 
That’s good. I like a bit of WoW and it would be good to free up 60gb on the gaming PC. What cable are you using? I was assuming that once the shock of the initial purchase has passed over I’d get the 2M active CalDigit cable

Using the Newtek Active 1M TB3 cable and working great
 
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I have a new 13" quad core with iris 655 onboard.

My son is asking if it can play Fortnite as he wants to play with his friends while on holiday. Can it play it? I am sure it will run but how terrible an experience would it be? if it is going to be really poor then I will just tell him it can't run.

Did you try yet?
 
Is that on full retina resolution (2560*1600 IIRC)? I was thinking of kicking down to quarter resolution, because I don't need the game looking super pretty when I'm away from home. I just need to be able to play it, which I just can't on my old 2011 13" MBP; it is so damn slow. Even with everything set rock bottom low it chugs like crazy (and of course the fan spins like a damned turbine.)

No, it's not full resolution I don't think. It's whatever was set by default which I think is 1440x900. The same as Apple does in the display settings. I'll be honest, I've not been in WoW for a while and on a Mac for even longer. I don't entirely follow what Blizz have done in the settings!! Fullscreen mode is gone entirely now and I always thought that Fullscreen (Windowed) was more taxing than plain Fullscreen.

I was playing on my MBP just now (don't know why, I'm in front of my gaming PC) and my settings are on '3' - I've not tweaked anything. Obviously that's not great but it's more than playable. I was inside Stormwind and went on the tram to Ironforge and getting 60fps but the fans were loud enough that someone the other side of the room asked me what the noise was. It then occurred to me that I don't need 60fps for WoW so I set the FPS limit to 30 in the settings and sure enough the whole thing cooled down and the fans all but stopped. They may have stopped altogether if I'd given them longer but it was certainly down to an acceptable level and I am someone that really doesn't like fan noise.

Now whether you are happy with 30fps is entirely personal. For me I think it's OK on something like WoW. That's about as low as I would like to go. I may be able to get it higher without impacting the fans too much? Maybe 40?

So yeah, for sure it's perfectly playable that way if you find yourself away from home for work or whatever. You may well benefit from the newer CPU and 655 GPU too.

Using the Newtek Active 1M TB3 cable and working great

Thank you, gives me something specific to look into.
 
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iMac seemed to me better call after I tried eGPU setup (Sonnet 550w version + Sapphire RX 580 Pulse 8gb). I have a late 2016 15" w/ RP460 gpu. After a while I recognized I was in need a bit more gpu power. At first, I built a mini itx Ryzen pc w/ GTX 1080. Then, using windows started to be problematic for me. macOS was a must for me in some tasks and then I sold my pc because it was extra expense for me with little gain also I realized GTX 1080 was way overkill for my needs.
Then I catched the eGPU train w/ macOS 10.13.3 and bought the setup I wrote above. I'm fan of small form factor electronics and that Sonnet enclosure was even larger than my whole Ryzen + GTX 1080 pc. That was so annoying to me. With the 10.13.4 some performance drops started to happen, it was fixed with next macOS update. However, I had already sold my unit because, you know gpu performance is already handicapped by %8-10 at least and this is seen on benchmarks, in real life use I saw the performance increase wasn't that much higher than my Radeon Pro 460. Consider this also, some softwares don't even benefit from eGPU (yet). For a while, I thought again getting RX580 egpu setup (Gigabyte Gaming Box this time which is true small form factor). Then, I changed my mind and finally ordered an 5k iMac with RP 580. I have an iPad Pro and since I bought it, I don't carry my MacBook Pro. Now, I need to sell this 15".
Yep.. this was my adventure. I suggest thinking well before getting into egpu setup or get into iMac world if you can, because this requires enclosure + gpu (at least 500$) also a real good monitor simply because after getting used to looking at retina screen, nearly many of the monitors don't satisfy you. I had Dell P2715Q 4k monitor and even that wasn't good enough as the retina screen.
 
I don't entirely follow what Blizz have done in the settings!! Fullscreen mode is gone entirely now and I always thought that Fullscreen (Windowed) was more taxing than plain Fullscreen.
It typically is! :p On a technical level if you do windowed mode you first have to render your screen buffer as usual, and then do a scaling blit to the desktop surface, which is an extra operation. Also, at least with older windows/directX versions, windowed mode seems to have incurred some random overhead here and there which all together brought framerate down noticeably compared to "exclusive mode" (IE traditional fullscreen.) With Win10 and DX12 things have changed somewhat and apparently MS wants developers to move away from oldstyle fullscreen mode for whatever reason (which is why Blizzard did away with it in the latest patch.)

Not sure how fullscreen/windowed mode plays out performance-wise on MacOS though; my MBP is so old and slow I just don't use it much. WoW pretty much ran single-digit FPS, maybe low tens even with everything on off/lowest possible last time I ran it, and now I'm not sure if it runs at all. I might not reach minimum system requirements anymore. :(

Oh well, I should have my replacement laptop in another 9 days tops. Should. lol

By the way:
Is fullscreen gone even on MacOS? IE, what happens if you press option-M while in-game, nothing?

I was inside Stormwind and went on the tram to Ironforge and getting 60fps
Hm, well, even updated Stormwind doesn't tax a computer nearly as much as some of the Legion zones, and Suramar in particular anywhere you have a view of the city itself.

Lol at the fans waking the dead, btw. ;)

Now whether you are happy with 30fps is entirely personal. For me I think it's OK on something like WoW.
Yes, I think that's what I'll do as well. It's not exactly ideal, but since it cuts down on heat and noise so much it'll be worth it I'm reasoning.

So yeah, for sure it's perfectly playable that way if you find yourself away from home for work or whatever. You may well benefit from the newer CPU and 655 GPU too.
2018 13" gets the 128MB eDRAM "crystalwell" chip, that's twice the capacity of the 2017 model year's chip. It certainly won't double performance, but maybe some improvement here or there can be gleaned. :) Also, IIRC it benefits the CPU cores as well, so processor performance doesn't have to suffer compared to the faster DDR4 in the 15" model in many situations (and from what I read a few years ago it seems some workloads benefit so much that mobile CPUs with crystalwell cache beats out top of the range performance desktop chips. lal)
 
Re: The full screen mode. It says the same in MacOS as it does in Windows now (Windows or Fullscreen (Windowed)). But command-m does toggle. I would assume it's toggling between those two. And thank you, I couldn't remember what the combination was on Mac. I'm sure it's buried in the options somewhere.

A very valid point on the zone I was in. I'm just playing one of my starter level characters at the moment. I've got a 60 day time card but not sure I've got the time for a few days to bother activating it. I might though seeing as everyone else is out and I'm not playing this afternoon :)

For the record, I put the FPS up to 35 and sure enough when I got outside the fan started to come on. But it was not at all loud or unpleasant. I've put it back down to 30 though. I don't really need more for just casual playing. When my e-GPU turns up I'm quietly hopeful I can increase both FPS and settings. I'm realistic enough to realise I won't get the performance I do on my gaming PC machine obviously. But it will be nice to be able to use the Mac for the odd game and free up some space on the PC.
 
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I have to play WoW in windowed mode even with eGPU and Vega 56 or I take a huge performance hit in fullscreen (windowed). Seems like a 50% hit to me. In Windowed mode though it plays solid on the MBP
 
Without the e-GPU it will largely come down to how much noise and heat you are prepared to accept. It plays ok on a 2017 13” i7 as long as the settings are medium to low but the fans drive me nuts. I imagine the 2018 will be pretty similar. WoW will benefit from the newer CPU especially when you are in a busy area with lots of players but the Intel GPU has only had a minor increase so that will still get as stressed as ever I imagine.

I can't believe this is still an issue, 9 years ago I got a macbook and it could hardly run WoW with fans going crazy and heat burning the laptop. almost 10 years later we still have the same issue :D

Sure, WoW probably is more demanding but I don't see it as one of the graphics demanding games today. I bet it was built to fit the widest range of consumer PCs.
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I have to play WoW in windowed mode even with eGPU and Vega 56 or I take a huge performance hit in fullscreen (windowed). Seems like a 50% hit to me. In Windowed mode though it plays solid on the MBP

is this true? playing games in a Window is less taxing on the system?
 
It's going back.

I'm playing a game that really isn't graphically intensive at all and it's stuttering all over the place. I could try running it in Parallels or bootcamp I guess, but I expected better if I'm honest.

You might be better off spending your money on a Razer Core X or the Mantiz where you could put in your own GPU and is upgradable in the future.

The Blackmagic eGPU is overpriced and really doesn’t offer much of an upgrade if you ask me.
 
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Are there any benchmarks with the new 2018 model and a 3rd party eGPU from NVidia. I'm not really a gamer, but I'd like to see what the performance is with an NVidia card on some popular games (Fortnite, Overwatch etc.). I don't game enough for a dedicated system but I may be willing to invest in a graphics card and a casing if performance is good.
 
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Are there any benchmarks with the new 2018 model and a 3rd party eGPU from NVidia. I'm not really a gamer, but I'd like to see what the performance is with an NVidia card on some popular games (Fortnite, Overwatch etc.). I don't game enough for a dedicated system but I may be willing to invest in a graphics card and a casing if performance is good.

It might not help you but I will be getting my 13" on tuesday or wednesday and plan to get a Razer Core X and use my GTX 1080 to go with it just for testing purposes, if everything comes together I will do some testing next weekend with it and test games like CSGO, PUBG, Overwatch and so on. I will compare it to my desktop with 7700k (running at 5 Ghz) and GTX1080 to see how big a difference it is.
 
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It might not help you but I will be getting my 13" on tuesday or wednesday and plan to get a Razer Core X and use my GTX 1080 to go with it just for testing purposes, if everything comes together I will do some testing next weekend with it and test games like CSGO, PUBG, Overwatch and so on. I will compare it to my desktop with 7700k (running at 5 Ghz) and GTX1080 to see how big a difference it is.
Very nice, if you could post you results it will be very helpful. I'd be very interested in how big the difference is.
 
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It might not help you but I will be getting my 13" on tuesday or wednesday and plan to get a Razer Core X and use my GTX 1080 to go with it just for testing purposes, if everything comes together I will do some testing next weekend with it and test games like CSGO, PUBG, Overwatch and so on. I will compare it to my desktop with 7700k (running at 5 Ghz) and GTX1080 to see how big a difference it is.

The problem is you’ll reach a point with the 1080 where you will hit the TB3 bottleneck. There’s only so much bandwidth available in that cable and the higher end graphics cards like 1080 and 1080ti won’t be able to do anywhere near what they can in a desktop with 16x pcie
[doublepost=1532290120][/doublepost]Now saying that, I’d be interested too because the idea of having an external gpu that is shared between gaming pc and Mac would be ideal. I think it’s a pipe dream at the moment however.
 
The problem is you’ll reach a point with the 1080 where you will hit the TB3 bottleneck. There’s only so much bandwidth available in that cable and the higher end graphics cards like 1080 and 1080ti won’t be able to do anywhere near what they can in a desktop with 16x pcie
[doublepost=1532290120][/doublepost]Now saying that, I’d be interested too because the idea of having an external gpu that is shared between gaming pc and Mac would be ideal. I think it’s a pipe dream at the moment however.
Yes for me this would be an attempt to see if I would want to get back into PC gaming at one point. If I notice I start to spend time on it again I may even consider to build a gaming pc next year and use the graphics card from this. If I could share it would be even greater. However, if Macbook Pro performance is alright (I'd mainly tryout Fornite, which isn't the most intensive game) I may stick to the Macbook and an eGpu
 
The problem is you’ll reach a point with the 1080 where you will hit the TB3 bottleneck. There’s only so much bandwidth available in that cable and the higher end graphics cards like 1080 and 1080ti won’t be able to do anywhere near what they can in a desktop with 16x pcie
[doublepost=1532290120][/doublepost]Now saying that, I’d be interested too because the idea of having an external gpu that is shared between gaming pc and Mac would be ideal. I think it’s a pipe dream at the moment however.

Not sure about that, I have seen people comparing a 1080 vs 1080Ti in the same eGPU they have reported seeing the expected percentage increase. That would indicate the TB3 is not bottle necking the 1080. Of course there is an overhead with all the cards so you do not get the full 1080 performance in an eGPU but there is not a ceiling that the 1080 hits.
 
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Very nice, if you could post you results it will be very helpful. I'd be very interested in how big the difference is.

Yeah sure, will do. I am getting the eGPU only for testing purposes though as I have a beefy desktop to game on, so im not 100% sure when that will be. Might get it this week as I said and then I will be able to report back in the weekend.
 
I got a 2018 15" MBP a few days ago, 2.6ghz 32g ram, 1tb. It's complete ******* for games. Even in Bootcamp, I have to run Fortnite on 1200xwhatever (minimum possible) resolution, with all settings on minimum, and I get 25-30 fps.

I'm going to be returning it, and hoping that the 2019 MBP has something other than a 2016 low end graphics card.
 
I'd be interested in seeing these results.

I have the Blackmagic with my 2018 13" MacBook Pro. It does the job, but sometimes I feel like it could be better...
 
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I got a 2018 15" MBP a few days ago, 2.6ghz 32g ram, 1tb. It's complete ******* for games. Even in Bootcamp, I have to run Fortnite on 1200xwhatever (minimum possible) resolution, with all settings on minimum, and I get 25-30 fps.

I'm going to be returning it, and hoping that the 2019 MBP has something other than a 2016 low end graphics card.

I'm really concerned about where the Mac is going and how that will affect gaming...with their move towards thinner keyboards it looks like they are progressing towards a mechanically keyless display with force feedback in lieu of a keyboard (probably not for several years, but it seems they are moving that way)...by 2020 they are rumored to be using their own chips as CPUs...when that happens will Bootcamp still be supported (and how will their chips fare for gaming)? I guess the only good news is that they seem to be supporting eGPUs now...which doesn't bode well for their own graphic card offerings...As a user who prefers Mac OS for my light work needs, but is comfortable working in Windows 10, as well, I'm pretty much at the tipping point where I will likely just buy a Windows laptop and either set it up as dual boot with hackintosh, run Mac OS in a VM (done it before with XPS 15), or just use Windows.
 
I think the key thing is that in the years since PPC at least, a Mac has never really been a serious contender for a gaming machine, more just that can be a happy alternative use if you want to do a bit of gaming on the side.

I agree that this looks like where it is going and IF all of these things come to pass, or at least the in-house processor, that will be it. Bootcamp would be highly unlikely to work as that would require MS to come out with a version of Windows for Apples own CPU. Not impossible, hell has frozen over in the past, but I would think highly unlikely. The keyboard, less of an issue, just use an external one but I don't see a way around the CPU. It will be iOS type games or nothing.

It is starting to feel a lot like Hackintosh's will be a thing of the past but I've felt that for a long time now which is why my old Hackintosh hasn't been updated in years.
 
Because WoW was mentioned here a few times: the current pre-expansion patch severely slowed down the performance of the game - with next to zero graphical improvements. I am playing it on a Ryzen 2700X system with 1080 TI and FPS are way down.

re Adama9: you are using a 580 in the Blackmagic that is basically a three year old card, only with minor improvements to clock speed. It's about 200€ on it's own. You won't be able to game on this at a native 4K resolution at all. Only with very old titles. It's not designed for this kind of purpose.
 
Because WoW was mentioned here a few times: the current pre-expansion patch severely slowed down the performance of the game - with next to zero graphical improvements. I am playing it on a Ryzen 2700X system with 1080 TI and FPS are way down

That's interesting. Having just spent half an hour with my new eGPU and RX580 I'd say the experience is OK, but somewhat underwhelming and certainly won't be replacing my gaming PC any time soon. It would have been nice to have been able to to dedicate that to something else. WoW was very inconsistent and a bit of a stuttering mess. I'm very aware that a 580 is not a stellar card but I would have expected it to be able to hold 60fps @ 2560x1080 with medium settings (5 on the slider).

My problem is that because of DisplayLink being broken in anything above 10.13.3 I'm stuck there for the time being unless I shell out even more to replace the DisplayLink dock at work (clearly I don't want to do that). I don't know how much of the performance problems are down to not being up to date with 10.13.6.

Any idea if I can update the AMD drivers independently of the OS?

One thing I will say is that the eGPU is nice and quiet. I went with OWC Helios FX and Sapphire Pulse RX580 8GB so essentially the Sonnet 550 setup Apple were shipping out as dev setups.
 
My conclusion(**CPU and GPU both under heavy load**):
It's all about temperature.
You just can't run this machine over 70C for a long time. I have verified that on Dota2.
When you turn on the Turbo Boost, it runs hot and the temperature goes up to 75 ~ 80 even if you limit the CPU power to 45w. CPU throttle(the ugly 800Mhz) will show up after a few mins.

So I tried this:
Turned off the Turbo Boost of the CPU and not limiting the CPU power, the temperature stays at 69C. The throttle never came(medium settings & full retina resolution).

It's i7 2.2 Ghz. I don't think this machine can keep temperature under 70C when the CPU runs at 2.6Ghz or 2.9Ghz.
So if anyone needs some gaming better choose i7 2.2Ghz and just turn off Turbo Boost using volta.

Maybe I am wrong...
 
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