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I have this feeling that the web cam in the small "notch" will be far more advanced than people think. And that includes full Center Stage mode.

mom hoping all this chatter/rumours ends up with a flush webcam that features a physical slider to cover and disable the webcam and it has center stage.

this must be the second time Apple has named a camera feature using “stage” in the name.
 
TouchID on my MacBook Pro 2018 works 95% of the time, on mobile it works 60% of the time.
That's bizarre - for me touch ID has yet to fail, so I guess it's 100% on the laptop and back in the day on the phone it was probably 99%.

FaceID sometimes fails on the iPhone but I would say it's 99%

The thing about FaceID is it might long term damage your eyes since it's issuing a really bright IR double flash every single time you pick up your phone. And if you have additional FaceID features turned on, even during usage. Watch a YouTube video with IR sensor, it's kinda uncomfortable how much this is flashing.
 
That's bizarre - for me touch ID has yet to fail, so I guess it's 100% on the laptop and back in the day on the phone it was probably 99%.

FaceID sometimes fails on the iPhone but I would say it's 99%

The thing about FaceID is it might long term damage your eyes since it's issuing a really bright IR double flash every single time you pick up your phone. And if you have additional FaceID features turned on, even during usage. Watch a YouTube video with IR sensor, it's kinda uncomfortable how much this is flashing.
You must have the dry hand skin type. My hands are constantly moist, and skin in general are moisturized. The capacitive sensor in the TouchID faces issues recognizing the features of the moist fingers. It just sees a blob.
 
It was almost the perfect update. Ports coming back, touchbar going away ... they are simply incapable of giving us what we want. This notch **** is unbelievable.
 
I was sending someone a text about this rumor, and when typing notch, one of the suggestions was botch. I thought that was just perfect.
 
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If you want to reach a certain overall thickness and a certain camera quality, optics (i.e., physics) get in your way. Hence the bump.
Yes, but that presupposes a constraint. The OP did not articulate any assumed constraint in his scenario. To say that "physics" is the reason for the bump is not sufficient. Only within the context of a predetermined constraint (i.e. particular desired thickness) is "physics" the reason. Its like builidng a car that is only 2 feet tall and putting the engine on the hood and then saying the engine has to be on the hood because of "physics".
 
Except Apple will NOT give us the option to have virtual bezels, forcing everyone to deal with that notch. That’s Apple way.

Problem is, you can't ignore a design flaw like this, it's staring you in the face, constantly.
At least with the touchbar you'd focus on the screen.

LOLOLOL.....these didn't age well.....


Guess everyone screaming "the sky is falling" are just out for attention like normal. The world could be a lot brighter for some people if they didn't jump to the worst case scenario so easily.

Oh well, each person gets to make their own choices on how they experience life. I was excited for the announcement and am still very excited for my new laptop to arrive. The past week and today have all been fantastic!
 
LOLOLOL.....these didn't age well.....


Guess everyone screaming "the sky is falling" are just out for attention like normal. The world could be a lot brighter for some people if they didn't jump to the worst case scenario so easily.

Oh well, each person gets to make their own choices on how they experience life. I was excited for the announcement and am still very excited for my new laptop to arrive. The past week and today have all been fantastic!
Heh. Before screaming “these posts didn’t age well”, maybe just wait until your laptop arrives before slapping these pessimistic comments? What does apple offer in terms of customisability? I see none atm.

But I get it. I won’t get those expensive laptop anytime soon, so enjoy yours.
 
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I honestly don’t mind the notch I’m happy with it. It gets the job done with Face ID. But the notch has become very controversial
Lately.
I am willing to accept the notch if it means having Face ID and a better front camera. But I still think not having a notch is better than having one, and it's too bad that this compromise is somehow necessary, for now.
 
Heh. Before screaming “these posts didn’t age well”, maybe just wait until your laptop arrives before slapping these pessimistic comments? What does apple offer in terms of customisability? I see none atm.

But I get it. I won’t get those expensive laptop anytime soon, so enjoy yours.

I am not pessimistic, LOL, in fact quite the opposite. I was stating that I wouldn't let FUD get in the way of me being excited. You can ALWAYS find something to complain about, real or imaginary. Instead I choose to look at the positives. It was funny to me how fast the fears about running apps in full screen were dissipated.

The laptop price is a steal for the output I am going to get for my professional workflow. No where close to "expensive" especially in a laptop form factor!!! Although I can afford it since I use it for my work, and unfortunately they are priced quite high for non-professionals. However, I have used the M1 MB Pro and the M1 MB Air and I can edit my 4K video streams relatively well, so to me those are prices for non-Pros and have a great cost-value relationship. I can't imagine how those wouldn't solve any non-gaming / non-professional need!

Customization? I guess I can wait and see, but since I run my editing apps in full screen in each of the monitors, I am not really sure what I would want to customize.
 
Yes, but that presupposes a constraint.

Everything in engineering is about constraints.

The OP did not articulate any assumed constraint in his scenario. To say that "physics" is the reason for the bump is not sufficient. Only within the context of a predetermined constraint (i.e. particular desired thickness) is "physics" the reason. Its like builidng a car that is only 2 feet tall and putting the engine on the hood and then saying the engine has to be on the hood because of "physics".

Yes, and if the phone were 3 inches thick and 3 kilograms heavy, you could put an even better sensor in there. But since that's not at all how engineering works, you this is a moot discussion.

We can quibble over whether Apple made the right choice to want the device to be so thin (personally, I wish they'd at least make the bump symmetric so it doesn't wobble on a single corner), but to argue that "well, technically, physics isn't the problem" is just silly. Optical sensors work the way they do because of optics, a.k.a. physics. If you pick a certain size, it's physics that provides the constraints. Not biology, chemistry, or agriculture, but physics.
 
Everything in engineering is about constraints.
Well, not everything. But the topic was physics, not engineering.
Yes, and if the phone were 3 inches thick and 3 kilograms heavy, you could put an even better sensor in there. But since that's not at all how engineering works, you this is a moot discussion.
That is EXACTLY how engineering works. Perhaps you are confusing engineering with marketing?

We can quibble over whether Apple made the right choice to want the device to be so thin (personally, I wish they'd at least make the bump symmetric so it doesn't wobble on a single corner),
Why quibble? I never commented on whether thin was good or bad. It's irrelevant to the topic.

but to argue that "well, technically, physics isn't the problem" is just silly.
Physics has nothing, zero, to do with the problem of a "bump" on a phone. Don't put the blame on physics. It's the particular implementation and design/marketing tradeoffs that dictate the bump, not physics.

Optical sensors work the way they do because of optics, a.k.a. physics.
Yes. Good. Cameras work due to optics and physics. And?

If you pick a certain size,
THIS is the constraint, NOT physics.

it's physics that provides the constraints.
Physics does provide constraints, just not the one (i.e. bump) that was presented. To make that argument, you would have to prove that a mobile phone with a camera CAN'T be designed without a bump, due to "physics". Go, I'll wait.

Not biology, chemistry, or agriculture, but physics.
Why introduce more straw men?
 
Any explanation as to why the mbp notch is so big if all it houses are a camera and maybe a light sensor? Is it to keep the same proportion and design language as the iPhone?
 
iFixit apparently hasn't looked at the display assembly in detail. Keep in mind, though, that because there's a lot less depth available, they may have to spread more components horizontally.

Design language? I doubt it — the iPhone 13 has a significantly differently proportion than the X through 12 did.
 
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