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MacBook Pro Grainy Display

reflex said:
I don't know if this thread is still on-topic, but since I just got my MBP...

I haven't noticed any specific grain so far. In fact, the (glossy) screen looks pretty much perfect. Touching wood here...

For what it's worth, the display is a 96420 (if I read the "PCS Illuminant" string correctly).
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Hi,

Could you go to systems preferences, click on display, then click on the color tab, choose colorLCD on the left, then click on 'open profile' on the right. In the new window that pops up, scroll down to #13 and tell us what it says underneath under 'manufacturer' and 'model'


Thanks!
 
PDE said:
Could you go to systems preferences, click on display, then click on the color tab, choose colorLCD on the left, then click on 'open profile' on the right. In the new window that pops up, scroll down to #13 and tell us what it says underneath under 'manufacturer' and 'model'
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Ah ok, I got it wrong :)

Manufacturer: 610
Model: 9C57

In case it matters, this is a BTO model (2GB ram, 200GB hd, glossy).

EDIT: btw, when I say I don't notice any grain I mean that I don't see anything that's noticeably different than any other lcd I've ever seen. Nothing that annoys me, in other words.
 
reflex said:
Ah ok, I got it wrong :)

Manufacturer: 610
Model: 9C57

In case it matters, this is a BTO model (2GB ram, 200GB hd, glossy).
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yeah, the 9C57 is less grainy - good that you're happy with it!
 
akadmon said:
I'm sure it is...to you.

http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/user/view/cs_msg/25905
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I'm sure people know this but I'm gonna point out something that should be really really obvious. If you're using an LCD monitor, then your anti-aliasing settings will be set to Automatic which will make the text look all blown out and crappy (I hate this look). So here's what I do to make that ugliness go away:

Open System Preferences
Select Appearance
Font Smoothing Style Pop-up: Set to "Standard - Best for CRT"
There you have it!

This is the cleanest and smoothest text I've seen. I agree with everyone who hates the default for LCD... it really is crap. Use Standard and you'll be all set. Unless you hate that as well.
 
akadmon said:
"The controversy stems from the fact that many people simply don’t like anti-aliased text, period, regardless of the algorithm or technique used to achieve it. Many other people adore anti-aliased text. Those who dislike anti-aliased text tend to describe it as fuzzy or blurry. Those who like it tend to think anti-aliased text just plain looks better: that it’s smoother and more accurately conveys the style and feeling — the je ne sais quoi — of a typeface.
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Well there you are - instead of telling me that I'm wrong in seeing my MBP OSX screen fonts as superior to comparable PC screens, and that you're correct, we are simply in opposite sides of the fence, in which there is no "right" or "wrong" .... just a preference.

:rolleyes:

iBorg
 
Funny thing is I was in the local Nextbyte Applecentre checking out their floor units, and another guy was doing the exact same thing.

Turns out he is also bothered by this very same issue.

It is more widespread than fanbois would admit.
 
reflex said:
Ah ok, I got it wrong :)

Manufacturer: 610
Model: 9C57

In case it matters, this is a BTO model (2GB ram, 200GB hd, glossy).

EDIT: btw, when I say I don't notice any grain I mean that I don't see anything that's noticeably different than any other lcd I've ever seen. Nothing that annoys me, in other words.
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I have the 09C60 panel and you probably described my feelings on the matter very well.

I have looked and looked for "grain" - moved a white window around and simply do not see any grain. Illumination is pretty even, no dead / stuck pixels and kind of normal viewing angle limits from my experience. All in all I remain well pleased with mine. My standards are somewhat high but it is a tool I use to make $$$ - and it performs that task well. Go figure :confused:
 
iW00t said:
Funny thing is I was in the local Nextbyte Applecentre checking out their floor units, and another guy was doing the exact same thing.

Turns out he is also bothered by this very same issue.

It is more widespread than fanbois would admit.
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That might have been me...a few weeks back :)

I still find it hard to believe some people actually don't find anti-aliased text at small point sizes distracting. But hey, to each his own. Now that I've all but killed anti-aliasing on my Mac (smoothing off for <144 pt!), all is well again. Try it, folks -- you might never go back to the OS X default.
 
MBP Graining Screen On Display At Apple Stores

I am in the market for a new MBP and currently own the older G4 laptop. No problems on my G4 with grainy screen. I was just at two apple stores in my area and checked the screens. Both the 15" mat and glossy displays were grainy. The the lower priced white and black notebooks had perfect screens. For much less money, i get a better display without the grain. I checked the 17 inch display and didn't notice the problem, but i didn't look closely. On the 15 inch displays, it is obvious...not a small problem. I will wait until the issue is corrected and would advise others to do the same. This is Apple's "top of the line" notebook and the simple fact is that there shouldn't be a problem. When I asked the Apple sales person, they said they didn't notice a problem...haha. When you go to the apple store, bring up this forum on all the screens of the macs so when customers come into the store, they are aware of the problem. Spread the word and it might be fixed sooner and i can buy my new mac.

I heard someone state that apple mentioned this issue was normal because of the coatings used on the display. however, if that is the case, why doesn't it show on the lower priced notebooks. don't you hate when they lie to you just to sell you a defective product.
 
beijair said:
I am in the market for a new MBP and currently own the older G4 laptop. No problems on my G4 with grainy screen. I was just at two apple stores in my area and checked the screens. Both the 15" mat and glossy displays were grainy. The the lower priced white and black notebooks had perfect screens. For much less money, i get a better display without the grain. I checked the 17 inch display and didn't notice the problem, but i didn't look closely. On the 15 inch displays, it is obvious...not a small problem. I will wait until the issue is corrected and would advise others to do the same. This is Apple's "top of the line" notebook and the simple fact is that there shouldn't be a problem. When I asked the Apple sales person, they said they didn't notice a problem...haha. When you go to the apple store, bring up this forum on all the screens of the macs so when customers come into the store, they are aware of the problem. Spread the word and it might be fixed sooner and i can buy my new mac.

I heard someone state that apple mentioned this issue was normal because of the coatings used on the display. however, if that is the case, why doesn't it show on the lower priced notebooks. don't you hate when they lie to you just to sell you a defective product.
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Yes, it is ridiculous how the cheaper Macbooks have no issues.
 
I have two MacBook Pros. One C2D with 9C60 display and one Core Duo with 9C56 display. The Core Duo is matte and the C2d is glossy. The C2D glossy seems brighter than the core duo and the whites seem really white while they seem a bit gray on the matte finish. I swear that I see about the same amount of "grain" in both but it is very hard to tell. My wife also has a core duo MacBook Pro 2.16 and I'll be checking her model display as well. Was going to call Apple over this but never really noticed it or thought I didn't until I read this thread. Not sure what to do if anything.



Apple Corps said:
I have the 09C60 panel and you probably described my feelings on the matter very well.

I have looked and looked for "grain" - moved a white window around and simply do not see any grain. Illumination is pretty even, no dead / stuck pixels and kind of normal viewing angle limits from my experience. All in all I remain well pleased with mine. My standards are somewhat high but it is a tool I use to make $$$ - and it performs that task well. Go figure :confused:
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teerexx52 said:
I have two MacBook Pros. One C2D with 9C60 display and one Core Duo with 9C56 display. The Core Duo is matte and the C2d is glossy. The C2D glossy seems brighter than the core duo and the whites seem really white while they seem a bit gray on the matte finish. I swear that I see about the same amount of "grain" in both but it is very hard to tell. My wife also has a core duo MacBook Pro 2.16 and I'll be checking her model display as well. Was going to call Apple over this but never really noticed it or thought I didn't until I read this thread. Not sure what to do if anything.
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So between the two which one do you prefer?
 
iW00t said:
So between the two which one do you prefer?
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I'm sitting here with all three MacBook Pros side by side at the same angle and on the same web page which is Apple's opening page. My wifes 2.16 Core Duo also has a 9C60 as well and is glossy. The two glossys are brighter and the whites are whiter. The so called grain if that is what it really is is about the same on all of them. So I prefer the glossy screen. I assume you mean just the screen when you are asking which computer I prefer.:cool:
 
Why has everyone stopped discussing this issue

I wonder why it seems that everyone stopped discussing this topic. Has there been some resolution to the problem? I have noticed the ones at the apple store still contain the problem. The mac book pro 15" has the problem at the local stores. the 17 " looks fine and the smaller black and white mac books are perfect without any display problems. why pay more for a MBP when the lower priced laptops have a better display? I have yet to find anything from apple to explain the problem but it is obvious. they do owe us some type of explaination as it is truly a problem and it is hurting sales as i have told many in the store myself about the issue and watched them walk away. once you point it out to others, they quickly notice the issue and no one would buy a defective product, even when apple employees attempt to pretend there isn't a problem and don't even mention it to a customer. i wonder how often they neglect to tell us of a known problem just to make a sale? When companies start to act in such a manner, they damage their image and in turn their sales. just be honest to your customers and they will be loyal and come back. attempt to hide the truth and trick them, you are likely to lose some customers.
 
Discussing it in an unofficial internet forum will most likely bring no results.

Hell, discussing it on the official Apple support forums = locked threads! :mad:

Anyone who is affected by it, just email the almighty sjobs@apple.com.

Let him know that it is truly an issue and is personally affecting you. Not sure if he'd care, but at least a lot of his underlings certainly don't. Doing this will at least cut through all those layers of management.
 
My MBP C2D glossy arrived today, and it does have the grain issue on the 90c57 display. Furthermore, the corners are brighter than the rest of the screen. It seems that so far they fixed nothing...
 
iW00t said:
Discussing it in an unofficial internet forum will most likely bring no results.

Hell, discussing it on the official Apple support forums = locked threads! :mad:

Anyone who is affected by it, just email the almighty sjobs@apple.com.

Let him know that it is truly an issue and is personally affecting you. Not sure if he'd care, but at least a lot of his underlings certainly don't. Doing this will at least cut through all those layers of management.
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I agree with the first two points, but disagree with the third. Having worked for Apple during the Scully era, we sometimes were CC'd on emails that were sent to Scully, and, rightly or wrongly, we passed them off as attention-seeking nuts.

Best working with a store and customer service, as frustrating as that can be. Perhaps even showing other people's similar complaints might work, though I don't know of anyone who's had success with this.
 
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