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I am gonna be so disappointed if Apple keeps using AMD's GPU's. Seriously, I don't get it. They haven't been competitive with Nvidia for years now. Why would Apple use sub-par parts???

AMD's GPU's are power hungry and slow. Why on earth would Apple keep using them...?

There is ABSOLUTELY ZERO chance that AMD's mobile GPU's will be 'vr-ready' any time soon. Not that I personally care much about VR....but the GPU is such an important, integral part of a computer that Apple should be willing to give it at least a little bit of thought asides from "which company will give us a cheaper deal".

Please look up AMD's new Polaris based platform. the RX480 just launched on the desktop side. if it's any indication of AMD's direction, low power, lower heat and better price to performance is likely the norm for their GPU side.

they're not competiting with Nvidia right now on the high end. even the 1060 is a higher class gpu than the 480. But the 480 is a $199, VR ready (performance is on par with the 390x) GPU, but with a much lower power requirement and heat generation.

what you're saying was true back in the 290x hawaii era, where they were mini space heaters (My 290x is ridiculous with how much heat it pumps out)
 
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Yeah I don't get that either. Where is the Esc key? How can I compile my code in IntelliJ without Fn keys?

Exactly. What's my force quit key combo now? I mean, if the computer freezes, I'm guessing my OLED ESC key won't respond now.
 
LOL @ laptop grade GPUs in a desktop. Why does NOBODY call out Apple for this crap?

Because when they get onstage they say, "Incredible", "The best, most powerful..", etc. and people go home believing them. I am waiting for boos from the audience at the next big event. I think that is what is needed to get Apple off their butt.
 
I think thats more telling about what Apple is doing, not the customer base.

Currently, their laptops, especially the "pro" series is out of date. its not a terrible laptop by any stretch, but the components in it are now 3 generations old. Its not just pure horsepower that comes with newer generations of internals. It's more efficiency, better feature set, battery life improvements and expandibility. For users who prefer OSx, but need a computer that has some muscle behind it, and enough options of ports and configurations that it fits their work / business, 3-4 year old components, being sold at Today's prices is frustrating. hence the complaints that they haven't updated the rMBP lineup. These complaints are entirely justifiable.

and now that they are updating, and rumours are out (these are just discussions based on rumour / speculation at this point), there's serious concern that Apple is going to do the same thing they did with their other PC products. Remove features and functionality in order to be "thinner". They did it with the iMac, They've done it with the Mac Mini, they did it with the Mac Pro. So yes, there are people worried, and complaining that the so called "work horse" Macbook Pro is going to receive the same neutering that every other apple computer has received over the last revisions.

So while your post seems very antagonistic, and sounds like you think everyone should just shut up and swallow whatever Apple sells like good little robots, you have to understand that over the last couple Apple PC revisions, Apple has moved further away from the core group of people who used to buy their "Pro" devices, and have made them more geared at the average user, and not those looking for that work horse.

I think people would have less concerns / complaints if this wasn't the "MacBook Pro". But having that "Pro" in the title implies certain things to users. That the device will be usable in production workloads. be consistent in performance. Offer enough, and varied expand-ability to allow for multiple different workflows and usability. This is more than just a few USB-C ports and dongles. this is the capability of the hardware from natively being able to handle these different workloads, while also providing some ability to scale up (replaceable drives, memory, etc). If Apple goes down the route of further limiting the MacBook Pro's capability to make it thinner, then many of the complaints in this thread are 100% entirely valid, whether it applies to you or not. Many of these decisions that have been made in the last 5 years feel more like Apple is putting profit margins first, before trying to actually provide a top tier product.


The complaints aren't 100% valid, they are only valid in the minds of people who seem to be hankering after a machine from five years ago.

Notebooks like the Macbook Pro just don't offer, replaceable memory/drives anymore. This isn't just a direction Apple is heading in the whole industry is headed that way. Look at the "top tier" Windows machines for example..

Dell XPS Line - RAM can be upgraded on the 15 inch but is soldered on to the motherboard on the 13 inch, no optical drive, no removable battery.

Microsoft Surface Book - Soldered on RAM, no removable battery, no optical drive.


ASUS Zenbook - Soldered on RAM, no removable battery, no optical drive.

HP Spectre - Soldered on RAM, no removable battery, no optical drive.

So generally speaking the top tier Windows notebooks don't offer any more upgradeability then the Macbook lineup. Notebooks that are modular are practically a thing of the past, maybe it isn't consumer friendly but thats progress.

Its a nonsense to say that these machines aren't serviceable to professional users. Most professional users would be fine with any of these machines and indeed the current notebooks in the Mac line up. Theres nothing to suggest that the next Macbook Pro won't at least match the performance of the current models.
 
This will probably be the most delicious upgrade in my life from unibody 2008 to this.

As for the "console GPU" class graphics card, I don't know how to say this but people already make fun of the weaker console hardware, even Sony/Microsoft are releasing an updated 4K version of their consoles. But in the Apple world, on par with current console is unheard of graphics power.
 
Gonna be an expensive end to the year. iPhone 7, Apple Watch 2 and a new MacBook Pro.

Good for you. Old Macbook Pro, iPhone 6+ and no Apple Watch for me it seems. I'm tired of the AppleMon Go game. Where's the nearest power socket? Gotta catch them all to survive through the work day!
 
So Gurman says the new MBPs aren't scheduled to be announced at the same event as the new iPhones. If it's a complete redesign then I can't imagine it just being an update via press release. Perhaps Apple is planning two events then? One for iPhone and Watch and another for Mac and iPad?

The iPad will highly unlikely be refreshed this year, the 12.9 Pro that is.
 
This is unfolding as I expected.

A lot of MR forum posts are going to look comically wrong soon, claim chowder will be tasty.

I certainly hope so. I hope they prove me dead wrong. I hope I am so wrong that it is embarrassing. But I am a professional, that has 3 17 inch MacBook Pros. Apple has left me behind as a customer and my only choice, come November, is to start researching Windows 10, hackintoshes, or linux laptops. A sad day it will be, and a big hit to my productivity. But if I can't plug in the things I use daily, can't get the screen real estate I need, and can't get the processing power and RAM I need, then I am the one that has to change. When or if I change, then I will go all the way, Apple did not have to leave me, so I will not support them in any way.
 
I think they will include a legacy USB-A port in a Macbook Pro. Too many things, including the charging cable of your iPhone/iPad, stick into that port. Sneaker Net transfer using a USB storage device is also a common need. Since there is lots of room on a Macbook Pro for ports, there should be at least one of these.
You may end up being right, but Apple has always preferred the forceful approach to change user habits. I remember all the angst around the removal of the DVD drive --- "How will I reinstall my software?!?" --- people asked. Apple's response was buy a $79 external SuperDrive if you need it that badly, or find an older Mac with a SuperDrive and you can install on another over a local network. That was it.

iOS devices are almost totally self sufficient now and almost never need to be connected to iTunes. Charging an iPhone on a slow USB-A connection from your MacBook Pro is also somewhat of a niche task that I doubt would prevent Apple from saying - Here's our $19 USB-C to USB-A adapter (or a Lightening to USB-C cord) if you really need to charge your iPhone on your new 2016 MacBook Pro. I'd prepare for USB-C only as the most likely scenario.
 
Yeah I don't get that either. Where is the Esc key? How can I compile my code in IntelliJ without Fn keys?

This is a legitimate concern, but, if rumors are true, the OLED bar that replaces the current Fn keys will be contextual menus and therefore provide users with whatever functionality they want/need or is available to customize through a software application. For example, when you have Spotify focused, Spotify controls will appear on the OLED bar. Same with when IntelliJ or whichever IDE you use is in focus.

Get it?
 
All new MacBook Pros are going to be neutered because of the heat issues. I have a 17 inch 2010 that during certain types of usage is too hot to set on my lap. That is fine with me, but evidently most Mac users are sissies and can't figure out how to handle a powerful computer that generates some heat. This is the politically correct Apple that I am starting to hate.

Apple please make one version of the MacBook Pro that is not crippled, make as many others was you want that are small, thin, cool, and usable for email and web surfing. I don't care about those, they make big profits and most people don't use a computer to do anything important. But please make one I can use.
 
Hope the 13 and 15 inch come out together and not staggered like MBP redesigns in the past.
 
So Intel's Optane 3D SSD is coming out at the end of the year. Guessing it hits mass market by early 2017. Chances are Apple won't have this for a while. You want me to pay $600 for a 1TB SSD upgrade, and another $600 for a 16GB ram upgrade...when storage that's an order of magnitude faster and larger is around the corner? I don't think so.
I can't wait for Optane since it will mean more storage and hopefully lower costs (unless Apple decide to charge the same).
However it won't be available in large capacities until next year. We're more likely to see a hybrid optane/flash solution first.
 
You may end up being right, but Apple has always preferred the forceful approach to change user habits. I remember all the angst around the removal of the DVD drive --- "How will I reinstall my software?!?" --- people asked. Apple's response was buy a $79 external SuperDrive if you need it that badly, or find an older Mac with a SuperDrive and you can install on another over a local network. That was it.

iOS devices are almost totally self sufficient now and almost never need to be connected to iTunes. Charging an iPhone on a slow USB-A connection from your MacBook Pro is also somewhat of a niche task that I doubt would prevent Apple from saying - Here's our $19 USB-C to USB-A adapter (or a Lightening to USB-C cord) if you really need to charge your iPhone on your new 2016 MacBook Pro. I'd prepare for USB-C only as the most likely scenario.

Hmm, now that we mention it, could the new iPhone ship with a USB-C to lightning cord? Then you could connect your iPhone to your MacBook and charge from the Macbook. And certainly all new Macs are going to have mainly USB-C. The question is if they will have any other ports. So it would be consistent if Apple made the switch for the iPhone and started shipping a USB-C cord. It just wouldn't make that charger and cord any more useful to charge from a wall socket. And the charging base would be less useful because of all the other stuff we own that uses a USB-A connection.
 
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What about tim cooks pc replacement comment:confused:

“I think if you’re looking at a PC, why would you buy a PC anymore? No really, why would you buy one?”

Yes, the iPad Pro is a replacement for a notebook or a desktop for many, many people
. -Tim Cook

He didn't say everyone. This is the new MacBookPRO. For professionals: graphic artists, video editors, audio engineers, software developers, etc.
 
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The complaints aren't 100% valid, they are only valid in the minds of people who seem to be hankering after a machine from five years ago.

Notebooks like the Macbook Pro just don't offer, replaceable memory/drives anymore. This isn't just a direction Apple is heading in the whole industry is headed that way. Look at the "top tier" Windows machines for example..

Dell XPS Line - RAM can be upgraded on the 15 inch but is soldered on to the motherboard on the 13 inch, no optical drive, no removable battery.

Microsoft Surface Book - Soldered on RAM, no removable battery, no optical drive.


ASUS Zenbook - Soldered on RAM, no removable battery, no optical drive.

HP Spectre - Soldered on RAM, no removable battery, no optical drive.

So generally speaking the top tier Windows notebooks don't offer any more upgradeability then the Macbook lineup. Notebooks that are modular are practically a thing of the past, maybe it isn't consumer friendly but thats progress.

Its a nonsense to say that these machines aren't serviceable to professional users. Most professional users would be fine with any of these machines and indeed the current notebooks in the Mac line up. Theres nothing to suggest that the next Macbook Pro won't at least match the performance of the current models.

except for the Surface Book, none of those are aimed as "professional" laptops. Dell's Professional workstation laptops are latitude (Cheap end), Inspiron (mid range) and Precision (upper range). All 3 feature expansion capabilities. Dell's XPS line is their "ultrabook" inspired lines, not their "pro" products

ASUS also has multitude of different products that range beyond just the "Zenbook". Many of them feature the above expansion capable.

the problem is, The Mac Book Pro used to be in the same "enterprise / professional" position as those other products. But over the course of the last few revisions, The MacBook Pro has become more in line with consumer offerings. While the other brands have additional product lines that cover those, Apple only has those.

ist a gap in their product lineup that gets bigger and bigger each time Apple revises their products to be "thinner" and taking away functionality
 
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Good for you. Old Macbook Pro, iPhone 6+ and no Apple Watch for me it seems. I'm tired of the AppleMon Go game. Where's the nearest power socket? Gotta catch them all to survive through the work day!

As I said in an earlier post, I'll be selling all my devices so I won't be forking out £700+ for the iPhone 7, £500+ for the AW 2 and £1000+ for the MacBook Pro (well, I will but I would have made £2200ish in the meantime).
 
Apple is so late to the party, just release the MacBook Pro in the Apple Store. We don't need a "next big thing" event to talk about a thing that is years late in arriving. We don't need to delay an event so it does not take away from the PR value of the new iPhones. iPhones are the Apple's honey, sure make a big event for them, just release the Mac Pro as soon as possible.


Exactly. End these stupid events.
 
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