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Well, the bar was really low the last 4 years, so that won't come as a surprise. Anything other than processor, GPU, RAM, disk size and battery upgrade, which, you know, has happened regularly the last 30 years, and the article will be correct.

Maybe we should all start writing for Bloomberg!

I can't wait for those groundbreaking "Our most powerful Macbook Pro ever" headlines. Those always throw me. I'm like all "Really? It's more powerful than the last one?"
 
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Man who wrote that article ? Gruman must be sweating bullets at Bloomberg.
 
I can't wait for those groundbreaking "Our most powerful Macbook Pro ever" headlines. Those always throw me. I'm like all "Really? It's more powerful than the last one?"

Same with "best iPhone to date" to me. It's like ... of course you're improving the iPhone every year. It wouldn't sell if the newest one was worse than any one before it.
 
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I really want to get the new MacBook Pro if the rumors are true about the new hardware. But I can't justify buying a new MacBook when I have a 2015 MacBook Pro that is in excellent condition with no scratches or dents.
 
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I'm excited. I could use an update to my MacBook Pro 13" Retina. Maybe it'll be time to go to a 15" if the redesign is that thin and light.
 
The USB-C is what worries me about this otherwise great MacBook Pro update. If it only has USB-C, no less than five standards (MagSafe, USB-A, HDMI, Mini DisplayPort/Thunderbolt 2, SD card slot) are being dropped all at once. Many people (myself included) who use these Macs aren't ready for that yet.

I get that they are going to save money on BOM and manufacturing and reduce a bit of space usage. But why get rid of the MagSafe? It was one of the best improvements ever!

I have been using the same Air since mid 2011 waiting for a substantial upgrade that doesn't get rid of all the ports. Looks like I might have to switch away from Mac after 15 years of loyalty to get that.
 
I get that they are going to save money on BOM and manufacturing and reduce a bit of space usage. But why get rid of the MagSafe? It was one of the best improvements ever!

I have been using the same Air since mid 2011 waiting for a substantial upgrade that doesn't get rid of all the ports. Looks like I might have to switch away from Mac after 15 years of loyalty to get that.

I'm guessing because of people complaining about it falling out all the time. My sister could shift and get the thing to fall out.
 
Are you really complaining that Apple is updating their Mac line? Would you rather they stick to the message of iPads and stop refreshing Mac hardware?

Yes, I would. I have a wonderful i7 Win10 desktop for things like music production, multi-camera HD video editing, and high-end gaming. It has a lovely graphics card, and 16 gigs DDR4 memory. (Can you buy DDR4 in Macs yet?) As far as I'm concerned, Apple has ceded the desktop space more-or-less entirely; they'd have to revolutionize their desktop/laptop lineup in this refresh just to keep their heads above water.

And I love love love my iPad Pro. It goes with me, and is powerful enough to do a lot of things I would have used a laptop for—like edit one of the videos for later editing on aforementioned Win10 desktop, or producing a section or synth part (again) for later desktop production. It goes with me everywhere, and makes light—and increasingly, heavy-but-one-file-only—computing tasks pleasant and easy. I'm a little annoyed with the storage situation, but iCloud plays very nicely with Win10, so no big.

Because of my iPad Pro, my life is more clearly organized and defined between "serious computer time" and "general living time" than it has been since the late 90s. I think the iOS line is fine for 75% of users; for the rest of us, I think it makes an excellent—vital—enhancement to the lives of content creators', gamers, etc.

The iPad Pro 9.7 both convinced me to abandon portable Windows (including Surface Pro), and to rely on Windows for heavy-lifting with multi-file projects. I want Apple and the iOS approach to computing in my day-to-day life, and I want to go back to "old school" desktop computing when I have serious, complicated work to do. The iPad Pro is a clear statement as to the direction of 21st Century computing. The MacOS line, increasingly, is just confused mumbling.
 
I wifi tether my MBP to my cell phone. Not sure why I want a SIM card in my laptop when I've got the cell phone. Why give my phone carrier another $15/month for a device share?

You might not be sure why you'd want that, but I am 100% sure that I would and I've thought about it a lot. I've seen a lot of other people around here with the same sentiment. Whenever I need data access on the go (which is frequent enough), I have to choose between either draining my iPhone's battery (my 6s drains remarkably fast when tethering), draining my MacBook Pro more than I need to in order to maintain my iPhone's battery, trying to find a public (and hopefully secure) wifi spot (which isn't all that easy even in the major US city I live in), or just going without data and potentially impacting productivity. Not great choices, especially considering my iPhone is the sole data connection I have - if that goes, I'm out of luck. Tethering is absolutely a great option for people who don't need to use it all the time, but for those of us who do need it more often, it's really kind of a clunky option for those reasons, and having the option of built in data would be so much nicer. Again, not for everyone, and just like how iPads give you the option of adding LTE I think Macs should make this optional too.

Now that the Apple SIM technology has matured somewhat, I'm hoping to see built-in LTE as an option for those of us who need it. I'm not surprised that previous MacBook revisions haven't seen this, since the technology didn't seem ready when Apple's laptops were refreshed in the past. However, now that these sims can be found in most new iPads, maybe the time is right - who knows. And, considering that macOS now focuses so much on seamless cloud storage of documents and data, I have a feeling that built in LTE as an option could be coming at some point. (It'd really suck to be on the go and find out that the OS unloaded something to the cloud that you actually needed - maintaining a data access point all the time would solve that potential issue). Maybe not this revision, but hopefully sometime soon.
 
The USB-C is what worries me about this otherwise great MacBook Pro update. If it only has USB-C, no less than five standards (MagSafe, USB-A, HDMI, Mini DisplayPort/Thunderbolt 2, SD card slot) are being dropped all at once. Many people (myself included) who use these Macs aren't ready for that yet.
Buy a legacy machine. If you don't need the new stuff buy something with all of the older tools you need.
 
Heh. Now that would be some of that "innovation" Apple keeps droning on about but fails to deliver lately. I'd certainly be impressed if they could squeeze a Titan-level GPU into one of their unnecessarily thin desktops! But who knows? Maybe they are working on something like that somewhere at Apple, but somehow I doubt it; watch bands and emoticons seem to be the order of the day instead. :(

Have faith, muscled hero! Let's see what Apple release and then judge from there. Not long now!

Pessimism in the face of uncertainty will always leave a bitter taste.
 
Have faith, muscled hero! Let's see what Apple release and then judge from there. Not long now!

Pessimism in the face of uncertainty will always leave a bitter taste.
I suppose you're right about that. I just find it difficult to be hopeful with Apple after a few years of... well, nothing that interests me. :-\ But yeah, we'll see.
 
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Didn't Apple JUST tell us we don't need computers? :confused:

Are you really complaining that Apple is updating their Mac line? Would you rather they stick to the message of iPads and stop refreshing Mac hardware?

No, he's pointing out Apple is giving mixed signals about where their priorities lie with computers in general and the fact they manipulate their sales points of view as and when they have new release's to show off.

In one breath they are saying the iPad Pro is all you need. In another they are finally getting around to updating the MBP and of course the Keynote will boast "this changes everything" "this is the best thing since sliced bread".... when they finally reveal the new MBP.

I mean thats sales for you, but its a contradiction and doesn't give consumers much trust in them or where their priorities lie, will it be another 1500+ days after this MBP release until we see another or should we all convert to iPad Pro's now, like, thats all we need after all.
 
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No, he's pointing out Apple is giving mixed signals about where their priorities lie with computers in general and the fact they manipulate their sales points of view as and when they have new release's to show off.

In one breath they are saying the iPad Pro is all you need. In another they are finally getting around to updating the MBP and of course the Keynote will boast "this changes everything" "this is the best thing since sliced bread".... when they finally reveal the new MBP.

I mean thats sales for you, but its a contradiction and doesn't give consumers much trust in them or where their priorities lie, will it be another 1500+ days after this MBP release until we see another or should we all convert to iPad Pro's now, like, thats all we need after all.

Except the audience for the MacBook Pro and iPad Pro are different people. Most people don't need a traditional computer, TC is right about that.
 
You read the title and get really excited but then you remember they haven't really changed it for four years.............

As for gamers being called 'expert users' pffftttt hahahaha that's a good one.

Still will be interesting to see if they do use dedicated GPUs still (will certainly shut some people on here up if they do), and if so what level in the range they use.
 
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For the price of a base 27" 3.2GHz i5 iMac with 16GB ram, 1TB Fusion drive, ****** graphics, etc, I just built a PC with:

10-core 2.2 GHz Xeon (Beyond incredible processor)
64GB RAM
1TB SSD
NVIDIA GTX 1070 (8GB RAM)
7.1 Surround/Optical Out
Whisper-Quiet Casing
USB 3.1 Type A + C
Thunderbolt 2 + 3 ports
6 USB 3 Ports
Blistering-fast WiFi

Sure, it's in a big black box, but it's also hooked up to two 4K TV's.

Looking back, I ask, "Now why did I need a Mac for audio production?" All they're good for is backing up an iPhone, web browsing, and iTunes.

I Hackintoshed Yosemite and haven't even taken my eyes off of Windows Ten. It's actually awesome. In fact, looking at the 14' Mac Mini I use away from my project studio, it asks for updates, backups, etc more than Windows does. My Mac Mini also NEVER connects to wifi.

I'm glad I stopped drinking the cool-aid.

No matter what Apple does, they're not for pro's anymore. They're for taking photos of puppies and reading clickbait articles.
 
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I really hope that the rumor about the oled bar above the keyboard is true. I think if it did nothing else but showed transgender emoji's, I'd buy that thing in a heart beat. Don't even care how buggy it is, as long as it allows me to use bold letters in messages and emojis (a + with larger emojis), I don't care if they price it at $5k, I will buy it.
 
I really hope that the rumor about the oled bar above the keyboard is true. I think if it did nothing else but showed transgender emoji's, I'd buy that thing in a heart beat. Don't even care how buggy it is, as long as it allows me to use bold letters in messages and emojis (a + with larger emojis), I don't care if they price it at $5k, I will buy it.
Lol. You just described Apples new target demographic.
 
Removable battery! are we living in 2001? These are not dell laptops here. There are zero concerns with apple laptop battery life, in fact the whole laptop industry improved after apple started getting 12 hour battery life. They actually keep their performance rather well.
Only if you keep your MacBook for two years. Most of us keep our Macbooks for years. Once you get past year three, you’ll probably need a new battery. Theoretically, you might need to replace the battery as many as three times during the MacBook’s ten-year lifespan. Longevity is one of the reasons for buying Macs. IBM clones usually only last 5 years and cost half as much.
 
Buy a legacy machine. If you don't need the new stuff buy something with all of the older tools you need.

Legacy machine? You mean an Apple with a CPU that was slow when it came out 4 years ago?

If I need the modern ports (Like USB3.1, DP, and a headphone jack), I'll buy a modern computer like a Dell XPS or MSI GS-60.
 
There is always going to be new hardware. I don't think you should feel bad if you upgraded last year.

...now if you just bought one last week I guess that would be a different matter.
Yeah that's true. And I think Apple still has that policy where if you buy new hardware within 60 days or something of any updates, they'll let you swap it out.
 
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