I can tell you that if all they release is smaller, thinner, lighter then my next laptop will not be a Mac.
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I can tell you that if all they release is smaller, thinner, lighter then my next laptop will not be a Mac.
When has Apple, or any other company that sells their own product EVER had an upgrade policy like that? How would they make money off of the ill-informed? Best Buy, maybe, but they're a 3rd party retailer...
Pretty cool. I suppose we're gonna have another mac that is a challenge to repair. "hello china?...can I get 500 MBP touchstrips, please?"
Doubt anyone would be able to fix the strip as it will probably be glued on..nothing shouts excellence in computer engineering and design more than "glued".
It doesn't matter how good AMD cards are or can be. Until developers stop using CUDA as their sole method of gpu acceleration, the fastest AMD card will continue to be worthless. Now, I'd also love for ALL gpu acceleration to move to an open platform so it doesn't leave us in the dust if we don't happen to have a particular card or in Mac's case, a way to even upgrade the card at all. But that is not likely to happen any time soon, so until then, not having an Nvidia card is just asking for trouble.
It doesn't bother me if AMD is unable/doesn't want to compete with NVIDIA on the high end. It bothers me that in a chip destined for a thermally constrained laptop we would be getting a chip that is watt-for-watt significantly slower than what the competition offers. AMD might be able to offer excellent value on some of their products, but if I'm already buying Apple I honestly have thrown the "value" factor out the window a long time ago.
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphi...6-Starting-249/Detailed-Power-Consumption-Tes
That RX480 takes 30% more power and is STILL frequently beaten by the GTX1060. If Apple is limited to a GPU that is 35-45W, I want them to include something that has the fastest per watt performance. I'm not seeing that anywhere with the AMD Polaris family compared to NVIDIA Pascal. Maybe will just have to wait a couple more years till they do the GPU vendor switch again.
Nice setup, I built this:
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 Arctic White w/ Window Side Panel - $145
CPU: Intel Core i7 4790k - $420
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-UD3H-BK - $180
RAM: 32GB Kingston HyperX Fury White 1866mhz (4 sticks @ 8gb each) - $220
Power Supply: Seasonic X650 - $160
GPU: Asus Strix GTX 960 4GB - $305
Storage For Mac OS X: Intel 320 120gb SSD - $0 (taken from my old comp)
Storage For Windows: Western Digital Blue 1TB - $65
Cooler: Phanteks TC14PE - $105
Wifi: TP-LINK TL-WDN4800 - $45
Total Cost: $1,645 CAD / $1,299 USD
The Final Build:
(windowed side panel taken off for photo)
I also Hackintoshed it and I'm sort of pissed off that I didn't bother going this route years ago. Yeah sure, it's a big white box... but it's dead silent during regular usage and I don't even use the PSU's fanless mode when low powered AND I dont have the soundproof side panel (I like the window pane). Even at full load it's very quiet. The biggest bonus is that I have full control over all of my parts and can upgrade at will. Plus, I paid so little for it and I got SO MUCH value, it's incredible.
And I say this as someone who's gone from a PowerMac G4 MDD, 2006 Mac Pro, a 2008 Mac Pro, a 2009 iMac and numerous laptops. Each year Apple has released something it's been an even greater pleasure knowing that I got so much bang for the buck considering how piss poor Apple's offerings are especially for what they're charging.
Apple's products are a MAJOR rip off. Their only saving grace are the laptops and the only reason why I'd pay the money for one is not because I want to, but because I really DONT want to deal with Windows!
Anyone curious about my build can read all about it with a full and DETAILED review here:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/the-hackintosh-thread.1900326/#post-21586131
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Thinner??? Really? cos that's what users have been crying out for.......Jesus don't they read any forums?
GPU efficiency translates as lower performance to maximise battery life, which of course will be sacrificed for thinness.
"Expert users such as video gamers" Strange way to describe Candy Crush players.
Function strip looks like a flashy distraction for the masses to coo over.
Can't they just make a really powerful thicker laptop with great battery life with more than one port..... (reminisces) ah ports....remember them??
GPU efficiency translates as lower performance to maximise battery life, which of course will be sacrificed for thinness.
"Expert users such as video gamers" Strange way to describe Candy Crush players.
Function strip looks like a flashy distraction for the masses to coo over.
Can't they just make a really powerful thicker laptop with great battery life with more than one port..... (reminisces) ah ports....remember them??
They probably do but even if they don't, they're incredibly stupid to not realize that at some point (now being that point) thinness doesn't matter. I'd rather have an additional PCIe slot for additional storage seeing how SSD drives are expensive and not that big. Perhaps making the RAM slots NOT soldered so we can move past the 16gb limitation and not be charged an arm and a leg and liver for RAM upgrades (Apple rips you off big time for that).
Whatever the case is though, Apple does not respect it's consumers.
Ok, people are fixating on Apple using Pro in the product name. The Macbook Pro is closer to Ultrabook category than a mobile workstation, that said they are more than serviceable for many professional users. I am a a professional developer and my Macbook Pro is more than adequate for my needs I upgraded the RAM to 16gb at purchase I would never need more than that in a notebook. I doubt many people would.
I don't doubt that you purchased it this year but when was that machine first brought to market?
I could go and buy an Apple 2 but it wouldn't be an indication of where the personal computer industry is in 2016 and where it is headed.
I don't think HP even sell a laptop with an optical drive anymore and even their mobile workstations don't have user upgradeable RAM.
Their priorities lie in both the Mac and the iPad for now. Apple is doing two things at once. I don't see what's wrong with Apple saying they have one type of computer for one demographic and a different type of computer for another separate demographic.
God I hope they don't drop mag safe. A Mac would last about a month around me without it.
Great. Once again focusing on how thin and beautiful they can make it. When the whole "thin" thing started, yes they were THE game and were cranking out hardware that was way beyond the competition in terms of form, fit & finish. But we've hit that plateau and now they're continuing to push it at the expense of performance and features. Are the masses still clambering for thinner MacBook Pros? I don't know a single person who has one who wishes they were any thinner. Nor do I see articles about it. Or persistent forum posts. I do see people wishing they would put the "pro" grade hardware back in them though.
Leave the ultra-thin and light for the MacBook line, and leave Britney alone.
Leave the ultra-thin and light for the MacBook line, and leave Britney alone.
You don't want an Apple computer. You (and many others posting on this forums) clearly don't share the Apple philosophy regarding design, usability and their way of making money. I'm not implying you are inferior or dumb for "not getting Apple." You just need something else, and you (and the demographics you are part of) are not gonna make them (Apple as a company) change.
Probably what you want is here:
https://www.boxx.com
Or here:
https://system76.com
Those are great, no-nonsense machines. Maybe you'll have more fun in their forums too, since a Mac makes you angry enough to come here and complain to Mac and iDevices users about how much Apple's product fall short from your expectations.
In the end, I don't get the fact that many people are "fed up with Apple's BS" but they don't take actions to get rid of that feeling of annoyance.
I'm not demeaning Apple since I'm pleased with their products, by the way. I'm just suggesting a solution to a surge of similar problems many users have posted lately around here.
No mention of Thunderbolt III in the rumor. Without TB3, I have zero interest as I want the capability of an external GPU/Hub so I can use ONE Mac for mobile and desktop.
Ya it's like pressing buttons just isn't cool anymore lol... Not joking as a pro user that also programs a decent amount - i am curious to see how this all comes together.
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Agreed... As a pro user - my work computer needs ports for the peripherals i need to plug into it. Removing ports would be a really ****** thing to do to us power users. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
Inb4 apple hater but....
Not seeing these grand schemes play out to their fullest. Smaller and thinner with better graphics (for games as mentioned)....
these 2 don't mix. this needs space. increased volume of air for cooling. Especially given apple (and an appreciable user base) like quiet. IE. reduced fan noise if no noise at all (no fan use).
Where as gamers, and people who slam their system in other areas (intense FCP work great for having my fans spin up real fast just as well as my game playing) know fan noise part of the gig. Your system will make noise...accept and move on. Headphones or turn up the volume for sound you do like...simple solutions to simple problems.
Nice its getting looked at...can we hope apple realizes this needs air moved to work to its fullest what I wonder. And will we get system drivers not castrated. because as we know from bootcamp reports....magical things happens when the MBP runs windows OS and gets that different set of drivers. Framerates and performance get better.
edit: and its not just the wrapper used for porting dinging the performance for translation...this has been consistent even with open gl games.
Not seeing these grand schemes play out to their fullest. Smaller and thinner with better graphics (for games as mentioned)....
these 2 don't mix. this needs space. increased volume of air for cooling. Especially given apple (and an appreciable user base) like quiet. IE. reduced fan noise if no noise at all (no fan use).
Where as gamers, and people who slam their system in other areas (intense FCP work great for having my fans spin up real fast just as well as my game playing) know fan noise part of the gig. Your system will make noise...accept and move on. Headphones or turn up the volume for sound you do like...simple solutions to simple problems.
Nice its getting looked at...can we hope apple realizes this needs air moved to work to its fullest what I wonder. And will we get system drivers not castrated. because as we know from bootcamp reports....magical things happens when the MBP runs windows OS and gets that different set of drivers. Framerates and performance get better.
edit: and its not just the wrapper used for porting dinging the performance for translation...this has been consistent even with open gl games.
The more I think about it, the more I think the new MacBook Pro is essentially like an enlarged 12" MacBook, but with (likely) three USB Type-C ports, including one Type-C port that supports the new Thunderbolt 3 I/O connection standard. And it will have the OLED touch strip, Touch ID fingerprint sensor on the power button, and the wider trackpad. RAM will be 8, 16 or 32 GB, and flash memory local storage will be 512 GB, 1 TB and 2 TB.
Apple could include a "dongle" for the USB Type-C port and on the dongle are older USB connectors, DisplayPort connector and even an RJ-45 gigabit Ethernet port.
Apple could include a "dongle" for the USB Type-C port and on the dongle are older USB connectors, DisplayPort connector and even an RJ-45 gigabit Ethernet port.
I would agree with this argument if not for the fact that non-Apple hardware also comes with non-Apple operating systems, which I have to imagine is what keeps the majority of us away from competing systems. I truly appreciate the power and versatility that can be had for much less than Apple prices, but along with it comes Windows (rarely Linux), which many Mac users truly dislike. I was a Windows user growing up, but my first experience on a Mac in college immediately won me over to OS X (Tiger at the time). Now I will admit that over the years, Apple has done many questionable things with their OS that have muddied the experience a bit, and Windows has at least gotten slightly better, but to this day, every time I have to use a Windows machine, I remember all over again what caused me to switch. Further, for most "pro" users, a Hackintosh setup is absolutely out of the question, for reliability reasons and for the fact that "pro" users generally don't want to have to spend a lot of time on system maintenance just to keep our workstations up to date.
Don't get me wrong, I DO appreciate the excellent design qualities of Macs and struggle to find any competing system that even come close to them in this category. But in the days of cat-named OSes, we got much more competitive, much more upgradeable systems from Apple than the soldered and glued, increasingly consumer-oriented machines they offer now. And though I do love the DESIGN of the current Mac Pro, I have to wonder how much more they could have sold had they simply offered Nvidia cards as an option, let alone the ability to upgrade the GPUs at all. If you follow the trends in pro-software and GPU innovation over the past 4-5 years, we've reached a point where a 5 year old processor can manage perfectly well, but the GPU is relied upon so heavily that without a current one (and usually this means a current Nvidia card), certain tasks can't be accomplished at all. It's honestly astonishing that Apple seems to either be so sure of their ability to drive the market towards their own hardware decisions, or they just care so little about professional users that merely giving them options isn't worth their time.
This rumor is disappointing in one way--I no longer expect an eGPU. If Apple releases even one rMBP with a dGPU, there will be no option for an eGPU which might just outperform the internal dGPU given the dGPUs thermal constraints.
Also, despite the possible utility of an OLED bar, I think it is a mistake to integrate the power button into its touch interface. How does one reset the rMBP if the touch bar stops responding due to hardware or software issues? I hope everyone who buys the next rMBP also buys AppleCare.
Also, despite the possible utility of an OLED bar, I think it is a mistake to integrate the power button into its touch interface. How does one reset the rMBP if the touch bar stops responding due to hardware or software issues? I hope everyone who buys the next rMBP also buys AppleCare.
People write stuff like this as if the engineers at Apple never consider these kinds of scenarios.