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MacBook Pro Models Said to Start at 16GB RAM and 512GB Storage, Feature Upgraded 1080p Webcams and New Charging Brick
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I work in professional music production. The memory requirements for virtual instruments and plugins can become massive. It boggles my mind that some people here aren't aware of professions out there who need more than 32GB, and it's a bit ridiculous to have to justify this. I feel like this is professionals arguing with consumers, and there's nothing wrong with getting a Pro-angled Mac as a consumer, but realise that these are also going to be specialised workstations for people. I've seen programmers using 200GB+ on their rigs for heaven's sake.
Apple cannot magic their way to making a 32GB machine have the same amount of usable physical memory as a 64GB one, without any overspill.
I really hope apple just calls the new CPU M2 to screw all the leakers and speculators.
Rumors have it that they'll get an SD card reader. Anyone hear what kind? Wouldn't mind SD express, preferably SD 8.0
You're looking at 2022 for the Apple silicon Mac Pro. Rumoured to be half the size of the current. I expect the CPU performance to be ridiculous, considering the current power of their chips.
Sure, the M1 memory is fast, but there isn't any magic that makes it larger
I have a 32GB MBP16 and bought a 16GB M1 Mini last December. The MBP16 uses some swap after a few hours, but memory pressure nearly alwasy stays "green". Running the same workloads the M1 Mini would typically quickly grow to 5GB swap, but often (mostly due to having to open lots of web pages and documents) it would get to over 10GB swap user. When this happens, I notice a lot more disk activity (which I, like many, have been monitoring due to concerns about excissve SSD writes - about 30TB and 1% "used" on the 512GB SSD so far, so nothing to worry about). Occasionaly, when swap gets over about 15GB I start to notice significant slow-down. Memory pressure on the M1 is very often "amber/yellow".
It seems pretty clear to me that I would be better served by 32GB than 16GB, and there is nothing particularly special about the M1 that reduces memory usage. The M1 *does* perform very well (most of the time) under memory pressure, so I can see why people say that 8GB is enough. I rarely see noticable slow-down and only when hammering the machine - but I do this quite often, so any new Mac I buy for work really needs to have 32GB, because I know I'll use it, and would be compromising performance (through swapping, however fast) if I had less.
The difference between the 13” base and the 16” base is currently $600 ($1799 vs $2399). If Apple adds $100 for the mini LED display a lá the 2021 iPad Pro why would anyone think the pricing would be any different? I still say $1899 14” and $2499 16”. This is Tom Cook after all.
So will it be a PRO by exceeding a cell phones storage and ram for the base model? 256gb is a joke as base storage. And while we all know apple has zero need to solder storage in I get they want upcharge dollars. But at a certain point enough is enough. There's no magic nor unique parts as far as storage and ports are concerned in a apple computer. Cool the ram is integrated from now on so you'll get your pound of flesh on that upgrade. Stop the BS with everything else. Intentionally crippling what ports are left is wrong. Can't show me a single reason why a fully functioning thunderbolt controller can't be used, this includes the whatever you want to call it USB standard you're running. Actually run USB4 or even a fully functional 3.2. I get it you want to push TB vs USB but you broke that too. Give a full product not some half baked product that was designed to be broken on purpose. 512 and 16 min on storage and ram. Fully functioning TB controllers. This means all of the dedicated DP and USB controller/lanes. If you could do this on a 8th gen intel you can do it today on your hardware. Between your 3 products with a M1 not counting iPad you have a full function. But you won't give it to just one machine will you?
With the MacBook-centric Apple event now set for Monday, October 18, leakers are beginning to share a few new details that we haven't previously heard about the machines.
According to Dylandkt, the base 14 and 16-inch MacBook Pro models will feature 16GB RAM and 512GB of storage space, which is in line with the current high-end 13 and 16-inch MacBook Pro options.
As he has said previously, the new MacBook Pro models are also expected to feature an upgraded 1080p webcam, and the M1X chip will have the same configuration in both sizes with 10-core CPU.
Dylandkt claims Apple will provide a new charging brick, which is not a surprise since the upcoming machines are rumored to feature a new MagSafe charging port, which would necessitate new charging hardware.
The MacBook Pro models will feature mini-LED displays and smaller bezels with no bottom logo, which we have heard before, and pricing is expected to be similar between the two different sizes. The pricing gap between the 14 and 16-inch options will be "much more narrow" than the current 13 and 16-inch high-end MacBook Pro options.
Display analyst Ross Young earlier today said that the new MacBook Pro models could feature a 120Hz refresh rate for the mini-LED displays, and Dylandkt claims that 120Hz was "being tested on a Mac prototype" earlier in the year, but that he has "no clue when it's coming."
Full details on the new 14 and 16-inch MacBook Pro models will be announced next Monday, and until then, we have a roundup of all of the rumors we've heard so far available in our MacBook Pro guide.
Article Link: MacBook Pro Models Said to Start at 16GB RAM and 512GB Storage, Feature Upgraded 1080p Webcams and New Charging Brick
Still waiting for them to say what the innovation of soldiered storage and half capable TB controllers is. They can socket usb ports but not nvme huh?
With the MacBook-centric Apple event now set for Monday, October 18, leakers are beginning to share a few new details that we haven't previously heard about the machines.
According to Dylandkt, the base 14 and 16-inch MacBook Pro models will feature 16GB RAM and 512GB of storage space, which is in line with the current high-end 13 and 16-inch MacBook Pro options.
As he has said previously, the new MacBook Pro models are also expected to feature an upgraded 1080p webcam, and the M1X chip will have the same configuration in both sizes with 10-core CPU.
Dylandkt claims Apple will provide a new charging brick, which is not a surprise since the upcoming machines are rumored to feature a new MagSafe charging port, which would necessitate new charging hardware.
The MacBook Pro models will feature mini-LED displays and smaller bezels with no bottom logo, which we have heard before, and pricing is expected to be similar between the two different sizes. The pricing gap between the 14 and 16-inch options will be "much more narrow" than the current 13 and 16-inch high-end MacBook Pro options.
Display analyst Ross Young earlier today said that the new MacBook Pro models could feature a 120Hz refresh rate for the mini-LED displays, and Dylandkt claims that 120Hz was "being tested on a Mac prototype" earlier in the year, but that he has "no clue when it's coming."
Full details on the new 14 and 16-inch MacBook Pro models will be announced next Monday, and until then, we have a roundup of all of the rumors we've heard so far available in our MacBook Pro guide.
Article Link: MacBook Pro Models Said to Start at 16GB RAM and 512GB Storage, Feature Upgraded 1080p Webcams and New Charging Brick
Also expect the price to be ridiculous. Especially in todays economy and times we live right now.
Yes but that $600 gets you more than just a screen size bump. More CPU power (6 cores at 45W vs 4 cores at 28W) and a lot more GPU power (dedicated graphics vs integrated). If the machines start out with the same specs, by Apple's own consumer facing pricing logic they should be $1-200 apart. Otherwise there has to be some other factor to explain the other $400. Maybe the 14" starts with 16 GPU cores and the 16" starts with 32 GPU cores, but they aren't going to make two machines that are identical except the screen sizes and charge you $600 more for the bigger one.
Tbh the Mac Pro line, at least now, isn't marketed to people who worry about the price of it.
You can argue that ARM fixed-length instructions might (on average) be slightly smaller than varibale-length x86-64 instructions but this is probably insignifant compared to the data structures used by applications and stored in memory. If you need to store a 32-bit value, it will consume 32 bits on any processor architecture.
If you can explain how to fit more data into the same RAM (assuming the same compression algorithm), then I will happily invest in your revolutionary tech startup, because it would be miraculous.... It is the same as filling the metaphorical quart into a pint pot.
[Update: I saw your post about how increased memory bandwidth reduces the impact of smaller RAM by allowing faster swap. It is true to a point and is welcome, but is of course just compensating for lack of physical RAM by using virtual memory, which is still at least 20x slower than accessing RAM. It works well, but it's never go to be as good as just having more memory]
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I am definitely worried about the supply of these, preorders are gonna go nuts.
I find my biggest memory hogs are browser pages... The downside of cloud computing is that web-browsers are the interface to almost everything, and typically are very heavy pages with several MB of JavaScript that create all sorts of memory-hungry objects.Even Macrumors tabs are often showing more than 1GB memory usage (probably mostly virtual) on my M1 Mini.
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Hmmm....I'm not convinced that SD Express will really take off. It's even newer than CFExpress-A and AFAIK, there are no cameras that use it yet. It is kind-of backwards compatible in an SD-card reader but defaults to UHS-I speeds maxing out at just over 100MB/s, so nothing spectacular. CFExpress-A and B have more penetration (but still only about a dozen cameras that use it).
It might happen....never say never. I'm hoping for a hybrid SD/CFExpress-A (seems more useful today), but wouldn't be at all suprised if it were just a UHS-II (maybe UHS-III) SDXC reader. If it's there at all, of course, which is by no means guaranteed.
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Only M1X rumours for laptops..?
So waiting for either M1X Mac mini or iMac (> 27")
So waiting for either M1X Mac mini or iMac (> 27")
I just worry my 300 buck Anker Apex dock will become less useful. I really like the one cable solution.