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For those reporting cooler temps, everyone is talking about idle (or maybe web browsing) temps. What about temps under load? That's the most important thing.

Anyway, good to see that Apple may have at least noticed the issue. Perhaps they improved QC during assembly, too. Fingers crossed.

So I usually watch everybody hates chris on cwtv.com online. When I do that, the previous temps were always jumped above 70C, sometimes up to 75C.

I'm watching an episode right now as I type and the cpu temp is 64-66C and the GPU diode is 65C. The fans are still at 2000 RPM.


This morning, I was using soxwrap to encode .ogg files to .mp3 . The CPU temp then was around 75-80C (If I remember correctly). I am encoding right now and the temp is around 78C, so it looks like no change there. The GPU diode temp once again, was lower (although I don't have the exact numbers, I'm pretty sure of it).

Again, the fans were still at 2000RPM.
 
I hope this solves some of the little issues that have been plaguing my poor powerbook (yeah yeah I know it's a mbp but powerbook sounds way sweeter)

right. that is without a doubt the stupidest thing i've ever heard. it's a product, not a child. you cant change the name because you dont like it (unless you happen to become CEO of apple and change the name back on all FUTURE models)
 
invasian,

excellent details in your report! I wonder if the performance is still the same in all those cases. Was the GPU underclocked at all? Is the CPU still performing to its fullest?

Maybe Apple really hit a home run with this patch. Universally good comments so far. That would be great.
 
:mad: This is one of the nice things I like about Microsoft.
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms07-jun.mspx

They give you blow by blow details on exactly what the fix is for and what they are doing to your system.
Apple's attitude is so blasé, it borders on the irresponsible and IMHO the single biggest reason that they will never take over the enterprise environment.

At any rate like always I will wait a few days and let others beta test the release for me.
 
:mad: This is one of the nice things I like about Microsoft.
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms07-jun.mspx

They give you blow by blow details on exactly what the fix is for and what they are doing to your system.
Apple's attitude is so blasé, it borders on the irresponsible and IMHO the single biggest reason that they will never take over the enterprise environment.

At any rate like always I will wait a few days and let others beta test the release for me.

Apple usually does tell you what the fixes do...this is irregular. Also, this is not a "beta"...
 
Temps for computer after playing Civ4: 63C.

Doesn't appear to be much change as far as temps, but the game did appear to run smoother.
 
I can definitely confirm that this update addresses the flickering issue.
The flickering appears to have been replaced with "waves" moving across the screen very slowly. On my MBP it is barely noticeable (at least in the lighting here at my work) but since the visibility of the flickering had something to do with the backlight distribution I can imagine that it is more visible on other machines (mine only flickered in the top right corner where it happens to be slightly darker).

I have no real technical insight on this, but I can imagine that they may have underclocked the GPU to save power due to increased power consumption by the increased LED frequency. If they could only increase the frequency even more to completely eliminate the remaining waves...
 
I can definitely confirm that this update addresses the flickering issue.
The flickering appears to have been replaced with "waves" moving across the screen very slowly. On my MBP it is barely noticeable (at least in the lighting here at my work) but since the visibility of the flickering had something to do with the backlight distribution I can imagine that it is more visible on other machines (mine only flickered in the top right corner where it happens to be slightly darker).

I have no real technical insight on this, but I can imagine that they may have underclocked the GPU to save power due to increased power consumption by the increased LED frequency. If they could only increase the frequency even more to completely eliminate the remaining waves...

Umm, your MBP is faulty. I received a MBP that had a Samsung display and had a yellow tint at the bottom of the screen and flickered just as you describe. I returned it and received a replacement MBP that has a perfect screen. No yellow tint, no flickering of any kind, no waves at all, equal backlighting. Both flickering and waves would really distract me. If I were you I'd take your faulty MBP back and get a working one.

My new MBP didn't flicker before the update, and there are no waves after the update. The screen was perfect before and remains perfect after.
 
Umm, your MBP is faulty. I received a MBP that had a Samsung display and had a yellow tint at the bottom of the screen and flickered just as you describe. I returned it and received a replacement MBP that has a perfect screen. No yellow tint, no flickering of any kind, no waves at all, equal backlighting. Both flickering and waves would really distract me. If I were you I'd take your faulty MBP back and get a working one.

My new MBP didn't flicker before the update, and there are no waves after the update. The screen was perfect before and remains perfect after.

I have checked out every 15" LED MBP that I could get close to and they all flickered in some form. Some more than others. I think yours flickered too, but possibly not enough to be a problem for you.

Again, the "waves" are barely noticeable (in this lighting, at least) so I wouldn't want to risk very uneven backlighting or dead pixels.
 
I have checked out every 15" LED MBP that I could get close to and they all flickered in some form. Some more than others. I think yours flickered too, but possibly not enough to be a problem for you.

Again, the "waves" are barely noticeable (in this lighting, at least) so I wouldn't want to risk very uneven backlighting or dead pixels.

Believe me, when it comes to the screen I am one of the most hard to please customers, and my new display does not flicker. I saw the exact flicker you mention, as I had it on the first SR MBP I received. And it was faint but was there. The new MBP has no flicker whatsoever at any brightness level. I would see it if there was any flicker at all.

I bet if you check you'll see you have the Samsung display, which is widely known to be faulty on the early SR MBPs. My new MBP has the LG display, and I assure you that it does not flicker at all. However, if you are happy with yours, even though it does flicker, then all is good.
 
About MacBook Pro Software Update 1.0
This update provides important bug fixes and is recommended for all 2.2/2.4GHz MacBook Pro models.

This update requires Mac OS X 10.4.9 or later.

Well that's useful information :rolleyes:

Wonder if this will fix my ****** battery problems. Doubtful...
 
I bet if you check you'll see you have the Samsung display, which is widely known to be faulty on the early SR MBPs. My new MBP has the LG display, and I assure you that it does not flicker at all. However, if you are happy with yours, even though it does flicker, then all is good.

Maverick808… did you order online or pick up in a store. If you ordered online, do you know where yours shipped from.

I am on the brink of ordering the 15-inch LED (UK online) but I am sooooo fussy about my screen. Sounds like the LG models are better. Just wondering if all the Samsung ones were out there in the wild already and how I stand a good chance of getting the LG.

I guess I could buy in store and check... ho hum.
 
screen flicker, Samsung & LG in SR MBP

Hey guys,
recent switcher here,
maverick808, can you please tell me how to check for display model in SR MBP ?!
system profiler doesn't show this (last I checked :))

I'm going to upgrade my MB to MBP'SR, probably this saturday.
I'll be getting it in Apple Store in Santa Clara, CA, so will have a good chance to check all display virtues right there.
 
I bet if you check you'll see you have the Samsung display, which is widely known to be faulty on the early SR MBPs. My new MBP has the LG display, and I assure you that it does not flicker at all. However, if you are happy with yours, even though it does flicker, then all is good.

Just checked, and I have an LG panel (9c67 in the colour profile). I will have to check out the screen in a darker environment, but so far I think that I am satisfied. While I am picky I am also reasonable, and I can't see the logic in having a computer replaced if I have to focus for 5 minutes on one spot to notice an irregularity :)
 
maverick808, Iceduck, guys, can you please tell me what to check when I pick up my SR MBP :
Screen flicker, waves, dead pixels, whatever ...
This will be my truly first Mac, as my MB is really a loaner.

Can you please also elaborate on what tools to use, what to look for, etc
 
maverick808, Iceduck, guys, can you please tell me what to check when I pick up my SR MBP :
Screen flicker, waves, dead pixels, whatever ...
This will be my truly first Mac, as my MB is really a loaner.

Can you please also elaborate on what tools to use, what to look for, etc

Don't go looking for issues. If there are problems they will be evident. Check out the MacBook & MacBook Pro forum for threads on the specifics.
 
perceived coolness of CPU/GPU

I was messing today afternoon with 2,4/2Gb SR MBP in Apple store, I was trying to tax the CPU and see how far that may go.

I believe I loaded more than 50% combined, by streaming heavy videos in Safari and Firefox, still I could not manage to make fans spin faster, nor the temps go higher than ~70C (measured with iStat pro widget)

Cannot tell if it had the last update applied, but I can tell, that they not usually updated automatically, so there is good chance it wasn't updated with this last update. Anyway I was mightily impressed with how stable temperature performance was, much more solid than on my MB (gen2,1)
 
Maverick808… did you order online or pick up in a store. If you ordered online, do you know where yours shipped from.

I ordered on the UK online store. Both my MBPs shipped from Shanghai. The first I ordered on the 8th June and it arrived on the 18th. The first one had a Samsung display. It had a yellow tint at the bottom of the screen and flickered, especially at lower brightness levels. It also had a dead pixel. I called Apple the following day and they arranged a replacement to be sent. That arrived on the 22nd June. It has the LG display. It is so much better than the Samsung display. No flicker, perfect backlighting, no dead/stuck pixels, and no yellow tint. The screen is extremely bright and the colors are amazingly vibrant. I've owned a 1GHz PowerBook, 1.5GHz PowerBook, 2GHz MBP, 2.33GHz MBP, 1.83GHz MB, 2GHz MB, and many Dells and HPs. The Santa Rosa MBP display I have now easily beats all the previous laptop displays I've seen.

Hey guys,
recent switcher here,
maverick808, can you please tell me how to check for display model in SR MBP ?!
system profiler doesn't show this (last I checked :))

Go to System Preferences->Displays. Click the Color tab and click Open Profile. In the window that opens scroll down to line 13, which is labelled 'mmod' (stands for make and model). Click that line and you'll see the model details. If you have 00009C67 then it's LG. I think the Samsung was 00009C68.

Just checked, and I have an LG panel (9c67 in the colour profile). I will have to check out the screen in a darker environment, but so far I think that I am satisfied. While I am picky I am also reasonable, and I can't see the logic in having a computer replaced if I have to focus for 5 minutes on one spot to notice an irregularity :)

Indeed.

maverick808, Iceduck, guys, can you please tell me what to check when I pick up my SR MBP :
Screen flicker, waves, dead pixels, whatever ...
This will be my truly first Mac, as my MB is really a loaner.

Can you please also elaborate on what tools to use, what to look for, etc

I use Pixel Check to look for dead pixels (http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/10793). With that app click automatic and it will switch your display to white, red, green, blue, black. On each color look for any pixel that is a different color. For example, a pixel that always stays black on every color is a dead pixel. One that always stays white is a bright pixel. Ones that are always red, green or blue are stuck. Apple will not normally accept a return for a 1-3 faulty pixels, but if you argue that you need the display for graphic work then you can often convince them. Personally, I have never kept a display that has even one faulty pixel, as I find them very distracting.

As for flicker, yellow tints etc then just have a good look at the display in different colors and lighting conditions. Make sure you check it when the ambient light is low too (a dark room), both at low and high brightness settings. Check on white and on gradients.

Don't go looking for issues. If there are problems they will be evident. Check out the MacBook & MacBook Pro forum for threads on the specifics.

Agreed, I know I am very particular about my displays. However, most people don't even notice dead pixels, minor flicker or poor back lighting. Several times I've asked people if they have dead pixels and they assure me that no way they don't have any, and when I see their laptops/displays it turns out they have one or two. I do the nice thing and don't mention it to them when that happens. If you don't see a problem, then good, be happy with your machine. However, if you do see a problem then don't accept it. You pay a lot for the machine, and you may think you can put up with it, but I bet months from now it will keep bugging you and you'll be cursing yourself for not getting it fixed or replaced.
 
I was messing today afternoon with 2,4/2Gb SR MBP in Apple store, I was trying to tax the CPU and see how far that may go.

I believe I loaded more than 50% combined, by streaming heavy videos in Safari and Firefox, still I could not manage to make fans spin faster, nor the temps go higher than ~70C (measured with iStat pro widget

By far the easiest way to max out the processor is to open a Terminal window and type "yes > /dev/null". Do this once for each core. For example, on MBPs and MBs make sure you open two terminals and type it on both.

This will max out each core to 100%. Just press Ctrl-C in the window to stop the process and return processor usage to normal.
 
Warcraft 3 Crash!

After installing this update, my warcraft 3 crashes upon start up. Any idea or clues why? Maybe the openGL fix? Any solutions?

Thank you
 
maverick808, Thanks a bunch!
I'm only learning OS X, so all your advices are greatly appreciated!
By the way, I just took a look inside color profile on my MB, and couldn't find info on my display.

It turned out to be, that I had 'Adobe RGB (1998)' active, and I had to change to 'Color LCD' to get to this line 13, which had by the way : 00009C5E (it's MB).

I turned it back to Adobe color profile, because I couldn't stand standard profile, it was quite bleak and sandy, or probably even bit yellowish ;)))) all this on MB made this february.
 
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