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I took Apple so long to develop these products and now graphic glitches and short battery. C'mon.

It's not the golden goose (iPhone). I'm guessing Mac QA for new products is now some senior exec in Darth Vader gear including the breathing effect:
  • coming in with a caliper to measure if the new model is "thinner,"
  • a hand scale to measure if the new model is "lighter,"
  • turns it on to be sure it's running macOS,
  • checks the ports to insure that some dongles will likely be required by typical users,
  • checks the Apple logo orientation on the back is correct,
  • asks some scared engineer if it's battery life is the same or better than the former model. "Better"
  • asks the same scared engineer to confirm that it is magically & courageously perfect in every way. "It is"
  • asks the engineer if any formerly upgradable parts are further glued/soldered down or connected with patent-protected proprietary plugs or jacks. "Yes, all of them"
QA complete. Schedule the special event to launch it.;)

Use the force to get the most staunch minions to try to shout down other consumers who find and voice any faults, try to spin blame to other companies (such as this one being all Chrome's fault), etc.

Ignore and/or deny the problem and hope it fades away. If it doesn't and seems likely to lead to anything of legal consequence, admit the issue is associated with only a very small number of units and imply fault lies with the users, third party software or anything else not directly associable with the mothership.

Or, if any bug gets any legs, issue a software update that either fixes the issue or changes how the measurement is derived to better fit marketing claims... then summon and kill the engineer in front of other terrified engineers before marching off with ominous Empire Strikes Back music playing.

All ;)
 
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A little late in the conversation but reading the news story and seeing what others report here at MR along with YT reviews, the battery life is significantly less then what Apple is claiming. They really didn't need to shrink the battery size just to shave a couple of millimeters off the laptop. Throw in a brighter display that and the TB and you have a recipe for poor battery life.

Well, the people who have actually methodically tested the battery life are reporting 9.5 - 10 hours.

You're getting trolled for hits. (Sadly, MR isn't the forefront of this.) Don't be fooled.
 
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Without being pedantic I think its fair to say 1. and 4. are basically the same.
But I see your point, there is a certain pattern here.

oops! Not pedantic, observant. Sorry. I'm pretty sure the pattern is widespread. Every iPhone that comes out has a disaster story resulting in 'gate' been appended to something. Anntennagate, where the antenna was crippled but no real people noticed or cared. Bendgate where it bends, just like all other phones, but no one had noticed before because it wasn't a real problem and again the real world didn't care.

I think all new products may have issues, usually simply fixed with a software update like this battery will be. It's just on the internet where everything presages the end of the world.
 
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A little late in the conversation but reading the news story and seeing what others report here at MR along with YT reviews, the battery life is significantly less then what Apple is claiming. They really didn't need to shrink the battery size just to shave a couple of millimeters off the laptop. Throw in a brighter display that and the TB and you have a recipe for poor battery life.
They had a weight target and 3lbs is the norm for 13" notebooks. My guess is that this will improve after a firmware or macOS update. That said, Apple had set expectations high since they usually conservatively estimate battery life.

Skylake has specific power-saving techniques that require optimization in the OS. I wonder if there are some bugs in the code or conflicts with third party software.
 
Every time I look at this machine I think it's £2709 for what I would want, Apple want to charge you an extra £80 for a 100mhz faster CPU on the next model up! No, but then you think I'll need an adapter for an adapter for an Ethernet adapter so I can use Time Machine at proper speeds which you'll need from day one, because if anything happens to your computer all your data will be lost because the SSD is soldered onto the board! Such a dumb move.

That's what I paid £2789.... though have 512 SSD. Really not impressed with that, have that storage on my 12" run around ...

To equal my 2015 max refurb, cpu and SSD wise I'm looking at £3300+ , the 2015 refurbished was £2300.

Really struggling to see what the extra £1000 gets me... especially when I have tested both with the same heavy usage and the 2015 had 30% battery while the 2016 was flat.

Had the laptops been a few hundred ££ of each other and same battery , apple would have pulled off a great upgrade. The main reason i want to upgrade my 2012 retina is the battery life....and great the 2016 is proving to be marginally better...4 years later :(

So here I am now looking at the 2015 2.8 1TB SSD.... and my Mac mini 2.6 server....kindred spirits .....
 
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you forgot the graphics card and soldered SSD etc

I think the list is including but not limited to:

2016 rMBP

• apples obsession with 'thinness' that compomises the product
• lack of required external ports
• soldered SSD issue
• Price increase issues
• battery life issues
• graphic card issues
• possible supply issues
• arrow up keyboard issues
• compatibility with current Thunderbolt 3 devices issues
• annoyingly noisy trackpad issues

to be continued?.....
RAM, mag safe, and three finger drag too.
 
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I know you are trolling, but I will bite. The reason is macOS.

I have been hesitating for so long to buy the new macbook coming from a 2011 Macbook Air. It's so expensive and still you get basic specs, can't even easily connect to my 27" Apple Cinema Display which I paid a lot for a few years go. It is really hard to justify spending the €2,500. Thought about buying the Dell XPS which has great specs for value. But when I thought of returning to windows I shivered and made the decision to buy the macbook 2016. I hope I have made the right decision with the speaker, graphics and battery problems. Just hoping they are all exceptions.
 
Succinct, and eerily accurate.
Ive is a fantastic designer, but he needed Jobs to tell him to wise up from time to time.
People don't want to pay out the nose for a modern wank aesthetic if their device is less functional for it.
The same for the "new" (LOL) Mac Pro.

Anyone who thinks Steve Jobs would have insisted that the latest MacBook Pro have USB-A ports isn't paying attention. The only feature I could see him insisting on was MagSafe (perhaps an official charging cable akin to the Griffin Breaksafe). Regarding the battery, consider that the iPhone has always had relatively poor battery life and during the Jobs era was behind in cellular connectivity (e.g. 2G in the original, 3G in the 4S). Jobs might have taken this design and just claimed it had a 7 hour battery life.
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Every time I look at this machine I think it's £2709 for what I would want, Apple want to charge you an extra £80 for a 100mhz faster CPU on the next model up! No, but then you think I'll need an adapter for an adapter for an Ethernet adapter so I can use Time Machine at proper speeds which you'll need from day one, because if anything happens to your computer all your data will be lost because the SSD is soldered onto the board! Such a dumb move.
Who uses Ethernet these days? Macs have required adapters since 2012 (and 2008 if you include the MacBook Air). Same with the soldered SSD.
 
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Anyone who thinks Steve Jobs would have insisted that the latest MacBook Pro have USB-A ports isn't paying attention. The only feature I could see him insisting on was MagSafe (perhaps an official charging cable akin to the Griffin Breaksafe). Regarding the battery, consider that the iPhone has always had relatively poor battery life and during the Jobs era was behind in cellular connectivity (e.g. 2G in the original, 3G in the 4S). Jobs might have taken this design and just claimed it had a 7 hour battery life.
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Who uses Ethernet these days? Macs have required adapters since 2012 (and 2008 if you include the MacBook Air). Same with the soldered SSD.

My 2015 rMBP 13" 8GB RAM 500GB SSD is upgradable to a 1TB SSD
https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/ssd/owc/macbook-pro-retina-display/2013-2014-2015
nice to have the option.
 
I get good (6 hours) battery life on my mid-2012, battery replaced last October, so long as I don't launch Xcode, Matlab, or Chrome. Chrome is about as hard on battery life as Matlab which is hilarious.

Oh, the joys of Matlab...luckily I've only had to use it a couple times for one of my uni modules! Even my maths lecturer moans about it. Think part of a test I've got coming up involves 'Matlab Comprehension'. Fun!
 
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For what it is worth. I have mine for about two weeks now. 15/2.9/460/1T.
It has been a flawless machine. No issues whatsoever. Battery estimate when fully charged is 10-11 hrs. Real time with modest use (text editing, Safari, Office, some photo work) is typically around 6-8 hrs.
So while there may be some faulty batteries out there or issues resulting from data migration, it is not that this is crap ware.
 
Anyone who thinks Steve Jobs would have insisted that the latest MacBook Pro have USB-A ports isn't paying attention. The only feature I could see him insisting on was MagSafe (perhaps an official charging cable akin to the Griffin Breaksafe). Regarding the battery, consider that the iPhone has always had relatively poor battery life and during the Jobs era was behind in cellular connectivity (e.g. 2G in the original, 3G in the 4S). Jobs might have taken this design and just claimed it had a 7 hour battery life.
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Who uses Ethernet these days? Macs have required adapters since 2012 (and 2008 if you include the MacBook Air). Same with the soldered SSD.

I use ethernet at every opportunity. Try it sometime and you'll see why.
 
My experience doing Safari web surfing, mail and message: I’ve gone from a MacBook Air (13-inch Mid 2013) 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7 that lasted all day to a MacBook Pro 13-inch/3.3GHz Dual-core Intel Core i7/16GB /1TB SSD/ 10.12.2 Beta with a battery that only last 4-5 hours. The new MacBook Pro 13-inch touch bar is a beautiful crafted high end machine…but why should I have to turn everything down or off on a state-of-the art $2900 notebook to do the above normal non-pro task? Disappointed that Apple engineers would let this product get released with the potential for such poor battery life.

Other users reported an 80% improvement after dropping the beta and going for the general release 10.12.1 Sierra.
 
Apple's not learning from repeated mistakes in deciding to enter the thin wars, and I agree that it's a sign of trouble. Maybe the tech equivalent of the canary in the coal mine.

Apple used to rise above the spec wars, a domain of the PC crowd. "But ours has more megahertz and more RPMs," they'd say, to which Apple would rightly respond, "Who cares? Ours feels more responsive and offers a better user experience because of our integrated software/hardware and the beautifully functional ergonomics. Everyone from classroom kids to creative pros couldn't care less about geekbench and megahertz as they're having the best user experience there is."
I think you've capture that accurately. I often encounter that "spec sheet" mentality. It is only when showing a person what "underpowered" specs can do on macOS do they start to think differently. I'll whip out my 2014 4GB/128GB 11" MBA and show them how well it renders videos, runs VMs, handle 100MB+ graphic images... without breaking a sweat.

Even the non-retina display on the MBA causes them to take a second look because all they've heard is that any non-retina display is a pixelated blurry mess.



Fast forward. "Magazine reviewers want thin? We'll give them thin!!" says Jony Ive, no longer with Job's insight into the user to rein him in. So we now have phones that are so thin (at the expense of milliwatt-hours) that the camera absurdly protrudes out the back. We have laptops so thin the battery life curve is actually decreasing as battery demands are rising. We also have new laptops that you can't plug into new iPhones, new Apple TVs you can't plug into laptops if a software update bricks it, and not-yet-legacy peripherals you can't plug into new laptops without an array of dongles (which you must now buy à-la-carte).

Everyone's got a theory about what's happened in Cupertino, but something certainly has. Who knows if it would've happened had Jobs not died, but my gut says it wouldn't have, at least not this way. I'll still stick with Apple because, frankly, macOS is still better that the alternatives in my opinion, and everything flows from that. But I'm no longer as proud of my choice as I used to be.
What is happening with Apple would happen regardless of who is at the helm. It is the natural result of tremendous success. Hubris kicks in and then it's down from there. After a long period of success anyone can succumb to the error of thinking they are infallible.

The wrinkles that have appeared in Apple's product line over the past 2-3 years have been easily brushed off as "one-offs" but they indicate the beginning of the great decline. Fans will dismiss those hints, trolls will over-emphasize them. The decline is very slow and steady but then reaches a point when it drops over a cliff.

Apple is on that path. Absent a change in culture, they're still 3-4 years away from the precipitous drop.

As for sticking with Apple and macOS... they are on borrowed time with me. The current Apple desktop/notebook systems in our home are most likely the last (unless something changes). There is no way that I'm going back to Windows. I've been experimenting with Linux. I've found some terrific distros that can be drop-in replacements for our mac systems.

I can see loading Elementary OS on a nice 13" notebook for my wife. It is clean, simple, and stable enough for her to easily use without problems. I've been running Linux Mint 18 on a bargain basement Dell Inspiron 14. ($120 at Best Buy cyberMonday 2015). It couldn't run the Windows 10 that came preloaded, but it breezes with Mint. I can only imagine how well it would run on a medium-to-high quality notebook.

I'd much prefer that Apple get back on track to producing quality desktops/notebooks.
 
Back to the topic of battery though - adding a touch bar and making the screen so bright was going to be a battery drain. If Apple designers didn't see this then it's really quite sad. If I have to use the screen at 30% brightness to make sure the battery lasts then don't tell me that the screen is brighter because practically I cannot use it.

Now you can decide on your own compromise (brightness vs battery life) and have a much better screen when plugged in.
 
Well, the people who have actually methodically tested the battery life are reporting 9.5 - 10 hours.

You're getting trolled for hits. (Sadly, MR isn't the forefront of this.) Don't be fooled.

please explain what "methodically tested means"?

Im happy to carry out any methodical tests on my 2016 2.7 460 512. I've just charged mine to 100% unplugged and being shown 6 hours battery, though in the space of 10min, running an update and reading news, its now showing 4 hours. Guess, I should not be using this lovely screen on 80% brightness and should drop it down to 20-30% to justify my purchase.....nah....
 
Apple is ****ed up. When potential customers feel actually happy of having old model rather than the new one...

So many users must be happy to have upgradable ram mac minis, rather that the ****** not upgraded lastest one. So many people editing 4K videos in 2010 mac pro towers, maxed out with proper graphics cards and 64gb ram... and raid with 4 ssd's.
 
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Google apps run better in chrome. I have been having memory management issues with Safari where a single Google docs would eventually chew up 12+gb of ram, slowing my MBA (which has just 4gb of ram) to a crawl until I terminate the process via activity monitor.

So I use chrome for gmail and google docs, and safari for everything else.

It's also possible that they are using android smartphones, so it's easier to sync your settings across a common browser like chrome.

I think it's a conspiracy... google hates apples products/users and they actively nerf apple products. Like having to pay for YouTube RED in order listen to YouTube videos outside of the app on iOS. Or how you can't three finger click on mac inside most google apps to define words...
 
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so let me get this straight..... people are complaining that the device doesn't have 32 GB of RAM and are complaining about battery life........ how is that even possible?
More frequent HD purging.
So how about both a huge RAM provision and a large battery (for a Pro device)
 
I think it's a conspiracy... google hates apples products/users and they actively nerf apple products. Like having to pay for YouTube RED in order listen to YouTube videos outside of the app on iOS. Or how you can't three finger click on mac inside most google apps to define words...

Or how autocorrect doesn't seem to work right in Google apps.

You might want to try protube, a third party YouTube app. Supports AirPlay, background audio and picture in picture, and better performance overall.
 
It seems that Google Chrome doesn't understand the concept of "light web browsing".
Yes, let's solve the issue by Chrome bashing.
Apple Boardroom reasoning...
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I've never had a laptop, including three MacBooks, get more than 50% of the advertised battery life, even with "normal" usage like browsing the web. I just assume I will only get half and adjust my expectations accordingly. It sucks, but it's just the way things are.

FWIW, I use Safari and get ~5 hours on my 2016 13" MBP which is about the same as my 2013 13" MBP. I'd love 10 hours but I never expected anything over 5.
Felicitados. So by being lenient on a supplier, you solve the problem ?
 
I think it's a conspiracy... google hates apples products/users and they actively nerf apple products. Like having to pay for YouTube RED in order listen to YouTube videos outside of the app on iOS. Or how you can't three finger click on mac inside most google apps to define words...

Yeah thats what it is. Google must be to blame for the awful keyboard, wifi issues, graphics fiasco etc etc etc as well :eek:
 
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