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A little late in the conversation but reading the news story and seeing what others report here at MR along with YT reviews, the battery life is significantly less then what Apple is claiming. They really didn't need to shrink the battery size just to shave a couple of millimeters off the laptop. Throw in a brighter display that and the TB and you have a recipe for poor battery life.
 
Funny. I get just over 6 hours on my 15" rMBP (mid 2012) on a full charge, and this thing is 4 years old.

I get good (6 hours) battery life on my mid-2012, battery replaced last October, so long as I don't launch Xcode, Matlab, or Chrome. Chrome is about as hard on battery life as Matlab which is hilarious.
 
Well, I might as well weigh in on this thread. I bought a refurb 2015 15" before all this battery life came out. In my case, it was purely about money. It cost me approximately $700 less to buy a similarly spec'd 2015 over a 2016. And this didn't include the extra cost of dongles. Now, of course there are improvements in the 2016, but to me it was just wasn't worth the cash. That said, I am disappointed to hear about a number of issues with the 2016. I'm invested on the Apple ecosystem and would like the company to put out solid machines that are at least closer to "Pro" (and yes, I realize what that word means is hotly debated).

For me, for a secondary machine, the 15" from 2015 will do just fine.
That's what I did too. After considering costs, I bought the 15" 2015 base model. For a family notebook, this will provide me with better mileage than the new 15" 2016 model. Now with this battery issue, I am doubly glad I bought the 2015 model.
 
Apple has fallen off a cliff. What I find strange after years and years of designing awesome products, who was the designer that stood back after coming up with this and thought I've done a great job here I've made the MacBook Pro worse.

Not to mention increase the price for a pile of garbage that might last a year or two before everything inside fails and bursts into flames.
 
I get good (6 hours) battery life on my mid-2012, battery replaced last October, so long as I don't launch Xcode, Matlab, or Chrome. Chrome is about as hard on battery life as Matlab which is hilarious.
I have a 2012 rMBP and light use, gets me 6 hours, and heavy use about 4, and that's on the original battery. Kind of sad when you think about how the new 2016 rMPB has the same battery performance.
 
I get good (6 hours) battery life on my mid-2012, battery replaced last October, so long as I don't launch Xcode, Matlab, or Chrome. Chrome is about as hard on battery life as Matlab which is hilarious.

I don't seem to manage that anymore. I get somewhere between 3.5-4.5 hours just surfing the web. I used to get close to the claimed 7 hours but after a year or so I stopped getting those figures.
 
If this was reasonably priced, maybe Apple wouldn't get so much hate, but: charging higher prices for less hardware+glitches takes you to PR hell.
Marketing 101....

Imagine if Starbucks shrunk the size of their grande, increased its prices, and then it didn't have a constant flavour.
 
According to Wikipedia, your laptop was criticised at launch for:
1. exclusion of an optical drive
2. exclusion of an Ethernet port
3. very high starting price
4. lack of Superdrive
5. change to MagSafe2 with a lack of backward compatibility
6. glued in battery
7. glued in glass, limiting recyclability

Sounds familiar, don't you think? I am glad you're still delighted with it after all this time and for the foreseeable future.

Without being pedantic I think its fair to say 1. and 4. are basically the same.
But I see your point, there is a certain pattern here.
 
In the newest version of Chrome I believe it's supposedly "BETTER"

On my previous 15" MBP running pycharm sublime and safari or firefox I'd get at least 8 hours. This was the model with out the dedicated GPU

Just keep watching the refurbished section
 
What the hell does this mean?

Are you also glad you didn't spend $50 million on that new Gulf Stream you wanted with the bad cup holders?

No because I didn't want that. Sorry it hurts you so much to not have what you want. I hope one day you are able to stop being nasty to people and actually work hard to get that new Gulf Stream.
 
My experience doing Safari web surfing, mail and message: I’ve gone from a MacBook Air (13-inch Mid 2013) 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7 that lasted all day to a MacBook Pro 13-inch/3.3GHz Dual-core Intel Core i7/16GB /1TB SSD/ 10.12.2 Beta with a battery that only last 4-5 hours. The new MacBook Pro 13-inch touch bar is a beautiful crafted high end machine…but why should I have to turn everything down or off on a state-of-the art $2900 notebook to do the above normal non-pro task? Disappointed that Apple engineers would let this product get released with the potential for such poor battery life.
 
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Every time I look at this machine I think it's £2709 for what I would want, Apple want to charge you an extra £80 for a 100mhz faster CPU on the next model up! No, but then you think I'll need an adapter for an adapter for an Ethernet adapter so I can use Time Machine at proper speeds which you'll need from day one, because if anything happens to your computer all your data will be lost because the SSD is soldered onto the board! Such a dumb move.
 
Every time I look at this machine I think it's £2709 for what I would want, Apple want to charge you an extra £80 for a 100mhz faster CPU on the next model up! No, but then you think I'll need an adapter for an adapter for an Ethernet adapter so I can use Time Machine at proper speeds which you'll need from day one, because if anything happens to your computer all your data will be lost because the SSD is soldered onto the board! Such a dumb move.

And the first ethernet adapter looses connection here if you so much as look at it. Hate to think what it's like having to use 2.
 
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Been thinking whether I should pick up this model... this article made the decision to not upgrade yet and easy one.
 
You're correct, I meant not upgradable. At least not upgradeable and maintain a warranty and there still aren't any compelling upgrades. What am I going to do swap in a newer 750GB SSD module?

To digress a bit...

In the days of hard drives, going SSD or hybrid SSD was compelling because it gave your old computer a new life, possibly better than new, but sitting at 750GB and 16GB of RAM a mid-2012 Retina MacBook Pro and I have trouble justifying a 'need' to upgrade. The performance is still quite good. My official work 2015 rMBP just sits in its bag, solely because I prefer the US keyboard over the International English one, although the 2015 is faster.

On some level, I'd like 32GB of RAM and 2TB, but as a developer I also see that we've sort of hit peak requirements on this type of spec. The big change in the macOS/iOS system has been the movement of the disk pigs to the cloud. The move of Music and video to 'the cloud' stopped rapid disk usage growth, then iPhotos library further slowed growth, and now Documents and desktop clutter moving to iCloud has actually cause usage to shrink. GitHub also helped to some extent in allowing me to blow away all those projects I was keeping around out of nostalgia. So, from my viewpoint anything over 1TB local storage is just an inability to accept that the disk is for local caching and current work. RAM is also not a problem, 16GB is fine, although 32GB would be future proof it wouldn't be worth going with non LP RAM given the context of this article.

First of all stop being so sensible. This is macrumors :p

I completely understand what you are saying about storage and RAM but what did you have to compromise on? The thickness of the device? As a pro do you think that was anyone's problem to begin with? The issue is that Apple reduced the physical battery by a whole lot for minimum gain in the thinness department. Also leaves less room for heat dissipation. I feel the soldering will begin to see the effects of heat. Back to the topic of battery though - adding a touch bar and making the screen so bright was going to be a battery drain. If Apple designers didn't see this then it's really quite sad. If I have to use the screen at 30% brightness to make sure the battery lasts then don't tell me that the screen is brighter because practically I cannot use it.
 
I still don't understand why apple didn't put the touch bar above the function keys... Couldn't we have both?

I know some people have responded negatively to your suggestion but it is a valid point. In fact think about how convenient the touchbar would be below the space bar and close the track pad. That being said the touchbar is a POS and we both are completely off point in this battery thread.
 
Hi

I've had the 13" from the first day of UK launch, and on a full charge it says I will get 5 hours 15 mins (with no apps running and no backround tasks.)

In reality with some light web browsing and doing general work I'm getting 4-5 hours... which is very dispointing to the point I'm thinking of getting a refund and getting a maxed out 2015 model.

I don't know what Apple are playing at, but I've spent £2000 for a laptop. I wasn't bothered about the move to USB, but crap battery life is not something I can live with.
 
I'm pretty sure that you can use a dongle to extend your battery life, maybe the iHump... ☺
 
Apple's not learning from repeated mistakes in deciding to enter the thin wars, and I agree that it's a sign of trouble. Maybe the tech equivalent of the canary in the coal mine.

Apple used to rise above the spec wars, a domain of the PC crowd. "But ours has more megahertz and more RPMs," they'd say, to which Apple would rightly respond, "Who cares? Ours feels more responsive and offers a better user experience because of our integrated software/hardware and the beautifully functional ergonomics. Everyone from classroom kids to creative pros couldn't care less about geekbench and megahertz as they're having the best user experience there is."

Fast forward. "Magazine reviewers want thin? We'll give them thin!!" says Jony Ive, no longer with Jobs's insight into the user to rein him in. So we now have phones that are so thin (at the expense of milliwatt-hours) that the camera absurdly protrudes out the back. We have laptops so thin the battery life curve is actually decreasing as battery demands are rising. We also have new laptops that you can't plug into new iPhones, new Apple TVs you can't plug into laptops if a software update bricks it, and not-yet-legacy peripherals you can't plug into new laptops without an array of dongles (which you must now buy à-la-carte).

Everyone's got a theory about what's happened in Cupertino, but something certainly has. Who knows if it would've happened had Jobs not died, but my gut says it wouldn't have, at least not this way. I'll still stick with Apple because, frankly, macOS is still better that the alternatives in my opinion, and everything flows from that. But I'm no longer as proud of my choice as I used to be.
 
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Pick from any of the below:

  • You're using it wrong
  • Lower battery life is the future, get used to it
  • You have no idea what your own needs are *real* consumers are fine with this
  • Previous apple products also had issues therefore you have no right to complain
To be frank, if you feel the machine isn't worth the money you've spent on it, return it and buy another one somewhere else. Keeping it and passively aggressively complaining here while Apple keep your money is one sure way of making sure they never change.
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Apple's not learning from repeated mistakes in deciding to enter the thin wars, and I agree that it's a sign of trouble. Maybe the tech equivalent of the canary in the coal mine.

Apple used to rise above the spec wars, a domain of the PC crowd. "But ours has more megahertz and more RPMs," they'd say, to which Apple would rightly respond, "Who cares? Ours feels more responsive and offers a better user experience because of our integrated software/hardware and the beautifully functional al ergonomics. Everyone from classroom kids to creative pros couldn't care less about geekbench and megahertz as they're having the best user experience there is."

Fast forward. "Magazine reviewers want thin? We'll give them thin!!" says Jony Ive, no longer with Job's insight into the user to rein him in. So we now have phones that are so thin (at the expense of milliwatt-hours) that the camera absurdly protrudes out the back. We have laptops so thin the battery life curve is actually decreasing as battery demands are rising. We also have new laptops that you can't plug into new iPhones, new Apple TVs you can't plus into laptops if a software update bricks it, and not-yet-legacy peripherals you can't plug into new laptops without an array of dongles (which you must now buy à-la-carte).

Everyone's got a theory about what's happened in Cupertino, but something certainly has. Who knows if it would've happened had Jobs not died, but my gut says it wouldn't have, at least not this way. I'll still stick with Apple because, frankly, MacOS is still better that the alternatives in my opinion, and everything flows from that. But I'm no longer as proud of my choice as I used to be.

Succinct, and eerily accurate.
Ive is a fantastic designer, but he needed Jobs to tell him to wise up from time to time.
People don't want to pay out the nose for a modern wank aesthetic if their device is less functional for it.
The same for the "new" (LOL) Mac Pro.
 
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Purely anecdotally but post Jobs and their established dominance it's almost as if Apple are now just getting the balance not quite right, it's design (form) and marketing too much over the technology (function). I know many will say they've always been like that but it just feels that the balance has shifted a little too far.

I'm still tempted to buy a 13" MBP next week, if I get 5-6 hours out of it I'll accept that. I recently purchased a high-end Dell XPS 13" as a stop gap, gorgeous little machine, Kaby Lake and the battery lasts around 3-4 hours.
 
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