If they released more macs the hate would be spread across several models. But if you are only going to release one mac a year, make sure its a lemon.
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MacBook Pro Users Express Concerns About Limited Battery Life
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Yes, it's Probably a safe bet with record sales that people aren't clamoring for thicker heavier laptops.
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Or, as Apple did, make sure it is so great that it sets sales records. As you struggle to understand this, remember that "hate" you speak of lies only in the hearts of a tiny speck of trollers and such, while worldwide hundreds of millions of people realize that Apple is still working on perfecting its products, but love Apple products so much that they will buy them this year.
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As this is useless to begin with: YES. Apple is trying to invent something nobody is waiting for. Yes, the mouse was great, the click wheel also, but now they are trying just to hard to invent something in order to have an argument to keep prices high. I am afraid that Apple is going to fail doing so. I am all happy with normal function keys and see no application for a touch bar for myself, just a gimmick.
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It also gets a better screen and the latest generation of processor. For $18 you can convert 2 of those ports into USB-A.That's honestly what I really wanted
I knew it wasn't going to happen, but that would've been perfect for me. Maybe add two USB-C ports in place of a couple of the USB-A, but that's it.
Instead the 2016 MBP was designed entirely around the gimmicky TouchBar. That was the reason for the delay, and that's the whole selling point for Apple.
Major graphics issues; major battery-life issues; a headline feature nobody wanted that removed a feature everybody wanted; three quarters of the useful ports removed; a terrific safeguard against ripping the power cable out/pulling the computer off a desk gone. Yours starting at a couple thousand bucks.
But hey, at least the damn car is proceeding.
But hey, at least the damn car is proceeding.
The record sale is more correlated by the absence of any update for a very long time (people have just been waiting for a very long time, hence the large number) than with the "greatness" of the device itself.
That's just supposition at the moment. Neither will make up for a smaller capacity battery.
At least the price is "more".
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Haha, this is exactly why Apple does this, max out, pay now a high price for something you might gonna use if the future (when the items costs less then have of its current price). And, Apple overcharge you for any extra already. You must be very rich to make this statement.
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Apple is truly in an enviable position when it's critics have to spend so much time and effort explaining away its successes. Even after selling over a billion iPhones, Steve Ballmer, even in retirement is still trying to justify his mocking of the iPhone and his prediction of doom for it. I think that's the definition of success.
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Repeat the same argument in 2005 just substitute 6.5 lbs for 4.5 lbs.
Apple has always pushed the limits of thermal design. It is nothing new. And the 13" was never ideal for video encoding. It's main advantages over the MacBook are the Iris graphics and better screen. Heck, Apple in the vaunted Steve Jobs era releases a MacBook "Pro" in October 2010 with a 3 year old Core 2 Duo while the rest of the world moved on to the Core i5/i7.
In the end most consumers care more about quiet design and portability. My HP Elitebook 820 with a 15W processor sounds like it is about to take off whenever I have Outlook and more than one other program open. I very much appreciate the almost noiseless fans
What feature did the Touch Bar remove? The graphics issues are minor and comparable to what Microsoft and Dell and HP experienced on their initial Skylake PCs. The ports that Apple added are backward compatible with the ports they removed and far more versatile, and don't require expensive proprietary cables to charge the machine.
Well:
- Never ever in my life have I encountered a problem due to an "inferior reliability" of a non-soldered RAM, CPU or HDD.
- It happened many times that at the time I bought a computer, RAM modules of certain capacity were simply not yet developed / on the market. But since RAM was not soldered, there was no problem buying them at a later time. In this way, my 13" MB Pro from 2011 has 16GB RAM which was not at all possible at the time of purchase (and Apple never even had this option for this non-retina machine).
In summary, you are trying to apologize Apple trying to squeeze money from customers by intentionally crippling its products longevity price/value ratio. Sorry to put it bluntly, but that's idiotic.
P.S. I am saying this as an owner of quite a large amount of Apple stock. This Apple policy is, from the long-term point of view, horrible both for customers and profits of the company.
I haven't really heard Apple say much about this but I'd present things in the best light possible as well. The thing is, they could have blasted past any sales records. This wasn't very hard to do considering the last update was so long ago. When it comes to sales, Apple chooses what point on the line they want to start at. They could certainly go for more sales if that's your metric but they choose a premium price on their products. Sales really doesn't mean much then.
All this conflict is really about what people want in a laptop. Apple thinks people want thin, light, low battery, the most advanced ports, oversized touchpad that must be used when typing, average mobile graphics, and a poor kb. And finally a gimmick touchbar to make it look that much more innovative.
Apple thinks desktop users want an all in one machine with mobile graphics. But with limited ports, it's hub city as well on the desk.
But Apple could quickly fix any of the above and that's easy. What's not easy to fix is that apple logo losing value. Apple's perception. It just works. Not courting the creatives, the makers, the ones who took software for the Mac to the next level and made things really cool for users. Being more and more transparent about how important profits are and less concerned with "delighting users."
I think it's fascinating that MS seems to be turning more liberal (courting the creatives with touch screen devices) while Apple is going the other way. Apple really needs to respond to this. Would it take a new OS that blends macOS and some of iOS? Apple claims MacOS is what is holding them back. In much the same way, it was iOS that held Apple back from being able to jump to bigger screens quicker.
Years back, many would say Macs were much better for pics. That iLife software? Much better than what you could get with windows already installed. Macs offered unique software and offered a much better experience. Can the same still be said now?
I think i'll have a tough time budgeting 3k+ toward another imac or macbook pro in the future. But for now, i'll keep using my recent 2015/16 mac purchases and see how it goes. I do miss having a separate monitor, a PC tower, desktop graphics, being able to upgrade, a limited MBP, and seeing Apple make our options even worse as we go. But at the same time, i do enjoy macOS, how seamless it is with idevices, a better way of doing some things, easier maintenance, and more enjoyable to use in some cases.
Because that's the answer? To adjust the way you use the computer in order to compensate for the poor battery life?
That would be like Apple removing the keyboard and you saying "The majority of people complaining won't even entertain dictating everything to Siri."
First of all stop being so sensible. This is macrumors
I completely understand what you are saying about storage and RAM but what did you have to compromise on? The thickness of the device? As a pro do you think that was anyone's problem to begin with? The issue is that Apple reduced the physical battery by a whole lot for minimum gain in the thinness department. Also leaves less room for heat dissipation. I feel the soldering will begin to see the effects of heat. Back to the topic of battery though - adding a touch bar and making the screen so bright was going to be a battery drain. If Apple designers didn't see this then it's really quite sad. If I have to use the screen at 30% brightness to make sure the battery lasts then don't tell me that the screen is brighter because practically I cannot use it.
It would be great if Apple would officially come out and make the case for thinness. (Case - get it? accidental pun) However, it probably isn't that simple. I suspect Apple's engineers and employees have a number of reasons, only one of which is 'the way the thing looks.'
If I were to argue what the major goals for iOS and macOS devices are, I'd say at top of that list is preventing common reasons for repair. Apple has a unique insight into device breakage modalities being front line support for their products across much of the world. I'll guess the two most common accidental forms of damage are drops and liquid and I believe the quest for thinness is not only a quest for the platonic ideal of a computer, but also a way of moving their devices to withstand drops and getting them to the point where they can be waterproofed. A computer that lasts is a computer for which you can charge a premium.
One last thing... Who are these battery life whiners anyway? I'm probably one of the 5 people that regularly posts on MacRumors that hasn't owned a car in 10 years and takes public transit every day. I consider myself the target audience for mobile products, I live in a capital city, I'm a developer, I choose public transit. The only viable public transit device during rush hour is the iPhone. I fly fairly regularly, but the flight time is typically too short to be productive. Long train rides are better for working, but too rare to matter. So who the hell are you?
"Piece-meal"? You complaining about everything or the battery life? I'm talking about battery life
Do us all a favor and post your first hand experience that's SO AWFUL. Do you have one? - I did instead of crying like child with a broken toy.
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Hi... Windows also has crappy life with Chrome... This isn't rocket science... Google it and you'll how Edge does vs Chrome. MS had a field day with this exact issue...
Chrome is a battery hog on my Windows and Linux machine as well...
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I have first hand experience with the 2016, I'm typing on one right now. I also have a 2015 as a reference.... It's funny how so many people are posting arguing with first hand experience. What's weirder is the expectation that the laptop will power an external FHD monitor and still hit the 10 hour battery life mark... I bet you want a pony as well...
The performance of the two 13" has been pretty much spot on with both the Arstechnica and Notebook Check reviews. The non touch lasting a bit longer and both bookending the MBPr 2015 model's life...
If I use Chrome, they all suffer including my Lenovo Carbon and my Linux box... This isn't some kind of weird Apple issue...
/sigh
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I would say that is what Apple engineers shoot for every time when it comes to battery, the same. So in the context of a MacBook I don't see that as sad I would say that is how little advancement there has been in the desktop/laptop chipset. You're not going to get much more battery life with current technology without seriously compromising the device and ditching Intel processors at which point you've got an iPad Pro.
Glad you are enjoying the Apple ecosystem as a veteran user. As far as sales, I think you are confused as to how this works. From when it's gone on sale, this has been their best selling laptop ever thus far. They've made that public because sales are the best indicator of the success of product, so yes it's significant to set records with it.
Remember, Macrumors forums are a tiny non representative population. Especially with so much trolling and negative stuff, most folks have stopped posting or even reading the forums so you get a biased view. No, the laptops aren't perfect, but to the vast majority of folks they are beautiful machines. The same thing happens on MR with whatever Apple does or doesn't do--lots of trolling often followed by Apple's success. We saw this with the iPhone7 where predictions of doom dominated these forums because it was "boring" and "anti-consumer." Now it once again owns the market and is on a pace to sell well over 200 million.
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First, your battery might be old (Option Click Battery icon - Condition: Normal), but assuming it isn't a battery issue, things have gotten worse over the last months/years or at least thats how it feels. macOS is doing more, so there is definitely an impact there. Background processes that use the Internet have exploded Dropbox, Backblaze, Google Drive, iCloud Drive, Photos in the Cloud, Spotlight and Machine Learning tasks. If you took a cleanly installed macOS Sierra and install nothing, you could get 10 hours out of Safari browsing. If you immediately after install or upgraded and have installed a few network sync related background processes you can cut that in half.
Nice to see a post from someone in the trenches, rather than the endless posers inhabiting these threads.
How?
I had tons of issues with the older internet explorers, yet I can't recall any issues with Safari. Safari integrates with iCloud and is not a resource hog, so aside from getting pats on the back in the circle jerk mess Mac Rumors has become, why is Safari bad?
Well, perfect then! You should send Phil a thank you card since he said in the keynote that had his team build a MacBook Pro just for folks like you who don't want a Touch bar. And nice that you are worried that they are going to fail with sales, but you can relax, because they have already broken records and are selling them as fast as they can make them, so you can take a load off your feet.
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It looks like Phil has a thought bubble when the 10 hour battery caption appears...'if-e'
Tim Kook is a disgrace. He took the Apple name and made its tech a regressive joke.