MacBook Pro vs. Dell Precision M6400

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  1. cbass macrumors newbie

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    Hi,

    allright my notebook is right about to die and I need a new one.
    I am doing a lot of webdesign, 3d, video (Premiere & After Effects) and photoshop. And need a Workstation with enough power for everything. Especially enought RAM.

    First I was thinking to get the new MacBook Pro with 2,8Ghz would cost me about 2400 Euros. But then I saw the Dell Precision M6400
    http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/p...dt1&id=workstation-precision-m6400&l=de&s=bsd

    It is heavier and taller but is upgradable up to 16GB of Ram (well 6GB would be enought) It would cost me like 2500€ plus 4GB Ram later on and its a 17" with a resolution of 1920x1200 I would take the 2.8Ghz as well.

    So what would you do?
     
  2. Tosser macrumors 68030

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    Dell for sure, as that thing meets (and exceeds) your demands. The MBP doesn't.
     
  3. cbass thread starter macrumors newbie

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    That was quick guys.
    But if the MBP would extend to 8GB in future it would be pretty good alternative to the Dell.
    I really can't decide.
    What you think will Snow Leopard enable 8GB on MBP?
     
  4. chrisiw macrumors regular

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    Gotta be the Dell, a large laptop, good for desktop use, very powerful
     
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  6. Tosser macrumors 68030

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    I doubt it will, though.

    Seeing how my 2.33GHz only supports 3GB and never will support 4 or more gigs, I highly doubt that Snow Leopard will "enable" them to do it. No, it's most likely firmware or hardware limiting our computers, not the OS –*especially given that OS X Leopard supports many more gigs on a Mac Pro.
     
  7. chrisiw macrumors regular

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    Nobody can tell really what Snow Leopard will bring, I am or was total Apple fan, but after seeing the upgrades of the last two weeks I am Apple, Sony, Dell, Neutral, as the Quality is first class on the Sony & Dell I think
     
  8. jbyles macrumors newbie

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  9. doobi18 macrumors 6502

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    HAHAHA

    You can't ask a Mac vs PC question on a Mac forum and get an unbiased answer!!!


    MBP all the way!!! :):):)
     
  10. cbass thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Ist not about Mac vs PC its just about performance and needs

    And I think PC is really the better choice though I love OS X and the Apple Design, but productivity is more important.

    @jbyles thanks for the hint, that makes it a bit easier.
    32bit = 3.5GB Ram :(
     
  11. Abstract macrumors Penryn

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    I'd get the Dell. It serves your needs. The MBP doesn't do so at all. Don't listen to people who give you advice without listening to your needs.

    Even the old 17" MBP is better than the new 15" MBP, and it's not just because of the resolution. It can recognise 6 GB of RAM.

    I love Apple's OS X, the design, the genuine creativity, and the honest attempts to make something interesting for us to use. However, Apple is Apple, and chances are that Apple won't just make the latest 15" MBP recognise 8 GB of RAM, even if it is capable through a software update. Even if the hardware is there for them to do it, they'll make you upgrade to a new MBP. They make decent products, but they really do abuse their hold on Apple users who stick with Apple mainly due to OS X.
     
  12. cbass thread starter macrumors newbie

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    If we already talking about that Stuff,
    is there another alternative maybe a little chaper than the Dell?

    Is there a lot of difference in Speed between DDR2 800 and DDR3 1066?
    I found some other notebooks but with DDR2 (these make it cheaper)

    @chrisiw
    do you have some special models in mind?
     
  13. jeff48 macrumors member

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    If you have no problems with Dell's reliability and don't have problems with MS OS's being responsible for intermittent system crashes etc. the Dell machine may be a better choice.

    My understanding about Dell laptops from my students and my experience with Dell desktops at work, lead me to believe that Dell hardware may have some issues and that Dell support is not, generally, satisfactory.

    If you would be interested in my advice about a non-Mac laptop, I can sincerely and wholeheartedly endorse Lenovo (the actual manufacturers of the IBM line of laptops forever). My goofy little 3000 C200 has been BULLETPROOF for over 2 years (of course I can't say the same for the OS Windows XP Pro). Their customer service is excellent (and believe it or not, located in Atlanta GA USA).

    If you are looking for Windows based programming, you of course can run either on the Mac---not so with the Dell.

    Just my $.02
     
  14. cbass thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Thanks for the hint. The ThinkPad W series is pretty good as well. Though only 4GB of Ram as far as I could see.
     
  15. jwksmith macrumors member

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    The other consideration is software. If your current software is all Mac, then you will have to buy Windows software to run on the Dell. If your software is Windows based, you can run on either.

    I have a $2000 computer with $10-15000 worth of software on it so the computer cost is trivial in the scheme of things.
     
  16. ManWithhat macrumors regular

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    Personally, I'd wait for the Studio XPS line that's releasing in November. It'll have similar specs to the Macbook Pro as well as that 1900x1200 or/and a (RGB!!!!!) screen.
     
  17. Red-red macrumors 6502

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    Depends as people have said what you want it for. Personally OSX is worth the difference in price/spec comparisons. Winodws or OSX

    Then it depends if you want a laptop that looks good or you don't care. Cool or Just a laptop.
     
  18. cbass thread starter macrumors newbie

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    DELL XPS Studio *hmmm* I guess I take a look at it.
    You already have some more specs?
     
  19. sk47 macrumors member

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    for your needs, definitely a dell precision... and this is coming from an admittedly-HARDCORE apple fanboy :)
     
  20. obibobi macrumors member

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    I have a Dell Precision M60 that's 4 years old, it has died 3 times.
    1:st time the RAM didn't feel like collaborating with me during a class session. (I was the teacher). Thanks to Gold Support a guy came and replaced both sticks during the lunch.
    2:nd time the motherboard, RAM and CPU were replaced, the computer didn't work, but nobody knew why, so they put all new stuff inside.
    3:rd time the Harddrive just crashed when booting. Luckily I did a full backup the night before. This happened 3 years after it was bought, and Dell were generous enough to search for, and find, another 40 GB HD. I think it would have been easier to find a 120 or 160 GB drive last year. ;-(

    Most large companies I've worked for the last 7-8 years have a lot of Dell hardware, and I can say I'm not impressed. (But I've heard of people who didn't have issues with their Dells)


    So far I've had NO issues with my Apple hardware.
     
  21. Jimbo99 macrumors newbie

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    I tried out a new MacBook Pro the other day, and I instead bought a Lenovo ThinkPad W700. The W700 has a 17" 1920x1200 non-reflective super-bright (400 NIT) display w/built-in color calibrator activated in the laptop base when you close the lid. It has a Waacom graphics tablet in the palmrest. You can buy it with a Blu-ray burner (Dell doesn't offer one). It has the same killer NVidia Quadro FX 3700M GPU w/1GB of video RAM as the Dell (twice as fast as the discrete GPU in the new MBPs). Plus, at least with my configuration, it was cheaper than the Dell, so I got a lot more for my money. I bought mine with a 4-yr, on-site, next-business-day warranty, which includes accidental damage protection (covers spills and drops). If something goes wrong with the laptop, a service technician comes out the next business day, to my home or office, and fixes it. AppleCare only provides a 3-yr warranty, w/no accidental damage protection. Check the Lenovo coupons section of notebookreview.com for any coupon deals, plus they have a detailed review on their site written by a photographer. Also check out the gov't & edu pricing on Lenovo's site if you qualify for that (for higher education, you have to have a .edu email address, and your institution has to be in the list on their site; they also have deals on their site for secondary education, but I don't know the details). For the educational pricing, look closely for the coupon code Lenovo lists on the right side of their educational page once you specify your institution -- that code will save you significant money.

    I have a couple of graduate degrees in digital image analysis, and the problem I had with the new MBP is that I couldn't see any shadow detail in images, due to reflections in the glass screen. No matter how I repositioned the display, all I could see were reflections in those areas. Very frustrating. I also didn't care too much for the new glass trackpad, which seemed to be buggy (sometimes wouldn't detect my finger motions) and I've seen reports from others on this as well. Also, the vent design of the new MBPs is fairly screwy, and there have been some reports of overheating by gamers. Lenovo, on the other hand, has copper heatsinks and a great cooling system. Plus the ThinkPads have spill-resistant keyboards: liquids come out through drain-holes designed into the bottom of the base. Apple, on the other hand, has no spill-resistance, and instead has moisture detector stickers in the MBP that, when activiated, change from white to red and void your warranty.

    Plus the 4GB memory limitation on the new Mac laptops is a deal-killer, compared to 8GB on the new Intel Centrino 2 laptops. ifixit.com has tried to put 8GB in the new MBP, and it doesn't work. And, as someone else here said, Photoshop CS4 is a 64-bit application under Vista 64, but only a 32-bit app under OS X.

    It was a no-brainer for me, particularly after Apple failed to refresh the 17" MBP.
     
  22. cbass thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Thanks for the post Jimbo99
    I already took a look at the W700 but it just was too expensive. I live in Germany and education rebate would apply but didn't find that at the German lenovo site :-( and the W700 is about 3000 Euros overhere.
    You are right it's an awesome pice of notebook! But that is really a lot of money.

    How much did you spend?
    Is the W700 loud?
    How about heat?
    How long is the battery life? (I just need about 1h)

    This is the cheapest I've found on the net in germany:
    http://www.uni-notebooks.de/Single-...[backPID]=783&tx_ttproducts_pi1[product]=3216
     
  23. skyrider007 macrumors 65816

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    Great choice! I love IBM/Lenovo ThinkPads. Congrats on your monster machine.
     
  24. jeff48 macrumors member

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    Congrats, enjoy the technology. :D
     
  25. MikeBrWade macrumors member

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    Well I have a M6400 and I can tell you it is a beast of a laptop. I was able to get my work to buy it for me and I do all my software development on it. It is definitely a powerhouse of a laptop.

    However I purchased a new 2.8 MBP and i am going to use that as my personal computer. Honestly I think they are both amazing computers but for my money I would say I like the MBP a lot more than the dell. Not to mention the dell is a HUGE brick of a laptop. I keep it docked at home and at work most of the time, but still it is a chunk.

    JM2C
     

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