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Macbook Released

deadpoet said:
Intel GMA950 integrated graphics is in no way better than a Radeon 9550 video card.
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What makes you think so? Do you have any benchmarks to back up that claim?

The 13" MacBook series is supposed to replace the 12" Powerbook as well, but without a decent accelerated video card this simply isn't going to suffice.
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I already posted a link to a benchmark that showed Intel Mac Mini beating 12" PowerBook in 3D-benchmarks. So the vidcard in the MacBook IS better than the FX5200Go on the 12" PowerBook. FX5200 is NOT a speed-demon.
 
NC MacGuy said:
I have noticed a significant slowing as more app.'s are open and in monitoring CPU find them in fairly low useage. 512 of Ram doesn't hack it. Opening Word, Safari, IPhoto, ICal have 5 meg. of free memory and notice only 1 meg. of "free" memory. This will significantly hamper any real graphic intensive tasks. Barefeats linked test in previous thread ran a MB vs. MBP with 512 vs. 2G - hardly a fair comparison. I'll have 2G tomorrow...
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Don't forget, Word is running under Rosetta! You only have 512 RAM.

Geez.

Rich.
 
i dont want to order RAM online, i dont like waiting...wheres a good retail store to get reliable RAM, (i live in san diego) so any major retail store would work.
thanks;)
 
KaiMac said:
They released it several months ago, its called the Macbook Pro. Apparently Apple didn't sell enough of the "Big 12 Inchers" to warrant a new product line. The Macbook at the current price point is as good as its gonna get, great value and a great product from Apple. If the only thing people can complain about is the intergrated graphics then they have done a great job. These things are gonna sell like hot cakes. Apples Notebook lineup is now completely revamped on the Intel chipset in less than 6 months, great job Apple.
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The other thing is - maybe they found that the Intel GMA950 is faster than the GeForce FX 52002Go?

Or, maybe they found that most people do not care about games on a 13" laptop? Seriously, who plays Quake using a trackpad anyway? Very few people.

Apple probably could sell some more MacBooks if they included discrete graphics, but I'm betting that the additional costs outweigh the benefits for capturing that very small market segment.

They have the 15.4" MBP for those people who really need great 3D performance.

I just don't see the need to run Quake 4 at maximum texture depth on a 13" screen; call me crazy.

cloudblood84 said:
i dont want to order RAM online, i dont like waiting...wheres a good retail store to get reliable RAM, (i live in san diego) so any major retail store would work.
thanks;)
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Micro Center, Fry's, or CompUSA. In that order. :)
 
filterban said:
The other thing is - maybe they found that the Intel GMA950 is faster than the GeForce FX 52002Go?
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No doubt about this, the GeForce Go is a crap GFX chip.

cloudblood84 said:
alright Fry's sounds good. thanks
and i just get DDR 667MHZ?
...or am i totally off here
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You need DDR2 667Mhz. Do you already have the MacBook? If you do, opening "About this Mac" and clicking on more info, will bring up the System Profiler, and under RAM this will tell you what kind of RAM is currently in your machine.
 
Micro Center, Fry's, CompUSA, Circuit City for Retail RAM

cloudblood84 said:
i dont want to order RAM online, i dont like waiting...wheres a good retail store to get reliable RAM, (i live in san diego) so any major retail store would work.
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Micro Center, Fry's, or CompUSA. In that order. Also Circuit City. If you can be a little patient, Fry's usually has sales on this kind of RAM every few weeks.
 
Evangelion said:
What makes you think so? Do you have any benchmarks to back up that claim?



I already posted a link to a benchmark that showed Intel Mac Mini beating 12" PowerBook in 3D-benchmarks. So the vidcard in the MacBook IS better than the FX5200Go on the 12" PowerBook. FX5200 is NOT a speed-demon.
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Excellent points. I have a FX 5200 in my PC that I built (which is different from the 2 Go version, obviously), and I've got a MacBook coming in the mail. The PC is a 1.8 ghz Athlon 64.

Now, Half-Life 2 and World of Warcraft both run just fine on the PC, despite the 5200 being "old". If, as you say, the MacBook does beat the FX52002Go, in theory the MacBook should be at least on par with my PC.
 
filterban said:
Excellent points. I have a FX 5200 in my PC that I built (which is different from the 2 Go version, obviously), and I've got a MacBook coming in the mail. The PC is a 1.8 ghz Athlon 64.

Now, Half-Life 2 and World of Warcraft both run just fine on the PC, despite the 5200 being "old". If, as you say, the MacBook does beat the FX52002Go, in theory the MacBook should be at least on par with my PC.
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You can't compare the FX 5200 with the "Go" version unfortunately, the "Go" version is crippled beyond belief. I would be willing to bet that the FX5200 "non-Go" will beat the GMA 950 in a 3D benchmark test.
 
dr_lha said:
You can't compare the FX 5200 with the "Go" version unfortunately, the "Go" version is crippled beyond belief. I would be willing to bet that the FX5200 "non-Go" will beat the GMA 950 in a 3D benchmark test.
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Well, you're probably right, but I'm still going to compare them. :)
 
dr_lha said:
You can't compare the FX 5200 with the "Go" version unfortunately, the "Go" version is crippled beyond belief. I would be willing to bet that the FX5200 "non-Go" will beat the GMA 950 in a 3D benchmark test.
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And lets not forget that the benchmarks weren't done using the same CPU and main memory bus system, so they don't really say much.
 
gedto said:
PowerBook 12'' vs. MacBook feature comparison

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Gracias, Gedto...that sums it all..the PB 12" is dead, and well dead...and honestly, 200g more are nothing...
 
vikas soni said:
Wow. So we`ve reached Post# 1650, Page67. I wonder if it is a record? Or are we still far behind?
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The "post your setup" thread is about 170 pages. I doubt this thread will pass that. The news story threads usually repeat themselves every couple pages. Like the fake iPod news story, "Hey what do the chinese words mean!" and with this thread it's "OMG glossy screen intel graphics NO WAY."

I mean, how many times are people going to post about the Intel graphics "crippling" the MacBook? It's not crippling the MacBook, like the Mini, Apple chose the Intel Graphics because it's very good with 2D. The MacBook is low end, it's not for gaming or 3D production or pro video production. People keep expecting pro performance in low end Apple computers, just be happy it has a Core Duo starting at 1.83, everyone was expecting 1.6 or a Core Solo.
 
Merom more expensive - well, yes and no

daneoni said:
Also the prices are bound to increase when meroms start shipping in them as meroms are more expensive. Hence its a keeper.
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Meroms will be priced at the original Yonah prices, so in one sense they are not more expensive.

On the other hand, Yonahs have had a price reduction, so they'll be less expensive than Meroms.

It's not a huge difference, though, and Apple could plan ahead (price the MacBook a little higher than needed at the start, so that with a Merom it would have the "right" price).
 
2GB MacBook + Final Cut Studio = Work or Not Work?

shrimpdesign said:
I mean, how many times are people going to post about the Intel graphics "crippling" the MacBook? It's not crippling the MacBook, like the Mini, Apple chose the Intel Graphics because it's very good with 2D. The MacBook is low end, it's not for gaming or 3D production or pro video production. People keep expecting pro performance in low end Apple computers, just be happy it has a Core Duo starting at 1.83, everyone was expecting 1.6 or a Core Solo.
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I don't have a problem with Apple using Integrated Graphics. I do have a problem that I can't find anyone who has a MacBook with 2GB of ram and Final Cut Studio reporting here if they work together and if so how well??!! I understand that all FCS parts may not work well but do any and if so how poorly? Please somebody? :confused: :eek:
 
filterban said:
You're making things more complex, not more simple. Apple would need to find a way to make all of those things work in each model, and then allow people to customize the living heck out of the inside. This is not a desktop with infinite space - it's a laptop where every inch needs to be thought about exactly how it will be used. Do you really think all of those people who have no use for discrete graphics, expresscard slots, firewire 800, etc are going to want to have to lug around a larger laptop with all of its "holes" (missing features) covered with ugly covers?

I think not.
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Spoken in the true corporate-centric (as opposed to customer-centric) perspective. Yes, the change would cost something but no more than the half-assed interim designs we're seeing now. In other words it costs money to maintain all the different form factor variations that Apple currently has in the so-called "new" lineup of two product lines: Macbooks and Macbook Pros.

And yes, duh... I realize these are not desktops. There are two items that would require some engineering to be 'melded' between the two product lines: 1) the graphics option, and 2) the express slot. With the former they currently maintain two form factors with and without and to have one that accomodates both would be no more expensive and might be less in the long run. With the latter, to use an apt phrase, "put a plug in it" if it isn't used. I'm sure the brilliant designers at Apple and their out-sourced design firms can come up with a really "cool" way of making this modular.

The current situation is corporate design for maximum customer headaches. Current line-up creates odd false distinctions between what a company thinks people should want as a consumer vs. a professional user instead of leaving it up to the customer. This is dinosaur corporate thinking in a company that spends more on lame commercials than on satisfying their rabidly loyal (count me as one) customer base.

I think so.
 
Multimedia said:
I don't have a problem with Apple using Integrated Graphics. I do have a problem that I can't find anyone who has a MacBook with 2GB of ram and Final Cut Studio reporting here if they work together and if so how well??!! I understand that all FCS parts may not work well but do any and if so how poorly? Please somebody? :confused: :eek:
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I'm seeing a trend here. Give it some time, guy. How many people are going to put FCS on a lower end "consumer" laptop? Maybe not in the first two days anyway. FCS on a 13 inch screen isn't going to be most people's first choice. The people I see rushing out to buy the new macbook as more enthralled with the lower cost and smaller size than it's ability to run high end video editing software.
 
5200>gma950

all macs that use the 5200 use 128-bit memory so are not crippled like most pc cards are.

any directx 9 level graphics card is better than GMA950 even allot of DX8 cards, the 32MB 9200 beats it by about 25% in most games.

GMA950 sucks that much, dont even try to defend it.
 
From earlier in this thread:

Leemo said:
Loving this machine! The keyboard feels fantastic, I love typing with it!

Very impressed with the speed of the machine (2ghz white one) even though it's only got the standard 512mb of ram. Despite the ram Final Cut Pro runs very nicely, and I shall be sticking 2gb in at the earliest opportunity!

I wanted a nice notebook to replace my iMac, and this is going to do *very* nicely!

-Leemo
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Hector said:
5200>gma950

all macs that use the 5200 use 128-bit memory so are not crippled like most pc cards are.

any directx 9 level graphics card is better than GMA950 even allot of DX8 cards, the 32MB 9200 beats it by about 25% in most games.

GMA950 sucks that much, dont even try to defend it.
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3DMark scores comparing the FX5200 Go (note the Go, this is what was in the 12" PB, not a FX5200) show the GMA950 getting about double the score.
 
Multimedia said:
I don't have a problem with Apple using Integrated Graphics. I do have a problem that I can't find anyone who has a MacBook with 2GB of ram and Final Cut Studio reporting here if they work together and if so how well??!! I understand that all FCS parts may not work well but do any and if so how poorly? Please somebody? :confused: :eek:
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Search this thread, there are a number of posts regarding this.

Leemo said:
Loving this machine! The keyboard feels fantastic, I love typing with it!

Very impressed with the speed of the machine (2ghz white one) even though it's only got the standard 512mb of ram. Despite the ram Final Cut Pro runs very nicely, and I shall be sticking 2gb in at the earliest opportunity!

I wanted a nice notebook to replace my iMac, and this is going to do *very* nicely!

-Leemo
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