Macbook Released

[Rower_CPU]

Re: MacBook not "supported" for FCS

According to an Apple Systems Engineer I know, FCS is not "supported" on machines with integrated graphics.

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=303470 (this article only mentions the Mac mini, but I'm assuming one for the MacBook will be up soon - it took 2 weeks for this article to get posted after the mini was released)

It's obvious from the screenshots we've seen earlier that these apps will still run, but whether or not they will have full functionality or decent performance is still up for debate.

 

[Multimedia]

Splitting Hairs In The Face Of Reality

According to an Apple Systems Engineer I know, FCS is not "supported" on machines with integrated graphics.

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=303470 (this article only mentions the Mac mini, but I'm assuming one for the MacBook will be up soon - it took 2 weeks for this article to get posted after the mini was released)

It's obvious from the screenshots we've seen earlier that these apps will still run, but whether or not they will have full functionality or decent performance is still up for debate.

I never said FCS will have all the functionality of running it on a Quad or an iMacIntel. I never meant that. I was trying to refute the naysayers who were saying no way in the face of Leemo's numerous reports that it works "Amazingly Well". I think Final Cut Express 3.5 will work great.

And by the way GMA950 supports Quartz Extreme and CoreImage, so it does work fine in spite of its "unsupported" status. You think Apple wants to broadcast that a MacBook is enough to run FCS when they want to sell MacBook Pros to all those guys and gals?

 

[Cybergypsy]

I ordered mine Tuesday morning and it just showed up in my office five minutes ago... they were quoting 1-5 days until it shipped and then another 5 days for shipping when I ordered it...

And now if you'll excuse me, I have a box to open!

NO Fair, you were on the same plan as mine....ughhhhh let me know how it is????

 

[rajulkabir]

Not sure if you need to turn off or sleep the MacBook if you want to replace the battery mid-use, the old 15" and 17" PowerBook's could just be put to sleep during the process but the iBook and the 12" PB had to be shut down.

My 12" iBook G4's battery has been so abused that it doesn't last for more than half an hour or so. My girlfriend also has a 12" iBook G4, but her battery lasts for 3 or 4 hours because she's not a great big nerd.

If I need to go out, I will sometimes borrow her battery. As long as both machines are connected to wall power, I can put them to sleep and switch the batteries without any problem.

 

[mark34]

Wow, it has been exhausting, but very informative and entertaining to keep up with this thread. I own a Rev A 12" PB and plan to replace it this summer. I have been thinking about the 15" MBP, but it is simply larger than I want for my mobile unit. I have a 20" G5 iMac at home. Someone commented that the difference in size isn't great between the 15" MBP and the MB. It may not be great, but it IS significant (for me). I had the chance to put them side by side at the Apple store in Austin yesterday. The MB is a touch bigger than I woul like, however I believe it is a perfect compromise for probably the ideal sized screen.

Speaking of the Apple Store, there were a number of amusing conversations I overheard or participated in. It always amazes me how uninformed consumers and sales people are on the latest products in all "gadget" categories. You can imagine some of the conversations.

They only had white ones on display. I asked the salesman if he had any black ones. He said "yes". I said, "can I see it?". His response was, "only if you buy it." I understood his point (which he neglected to point out before his smart a$$ response), but really, could you be more obnoxious?

I watched a student who was about to pull the trigger on a MBP that she had been lusting after for sometime, get quickly enamored with the PB and change her mind and pull the trigger on the MB.

I also was interested in a discussion about the glossy screen. The salesman explained that they made the screen glossy because it is easier to see outside than the matte one and that students often tuse their computers outside. Interesting considering the comments here about the difficulties of glare outside.

I, for one, think the glossy screen is beautiful. The new screen absolutely crushes my 12" PB.

I really wanted a 13" MBP so I have been dissapointed with the belief that that is not going to happen. The more I think about it, though, the MB is MORE than capable for what I do with my laptop. I never play games and don't do any 3D rendering. The most taxing application is probably using iMovie and iDVD. I always want "the most", but this new MB is right on the money for a lot less money than I was willing to spend.

Now, if I plan to buy in July, should I seriously be thinking about waiting for Merom (sp?)?

Thanks for listening to a lurker's first and long post.

 

[Multimedia]

And Now Final Cut Express 3.5 Universal For Your MacBook

Wow, it has been exhausting, but very informative and entertaining to keep up with this thread. I own a Rev A 12" PB and plan to replace it this summer. I have been thinking about the 15" MBP, but it is simply larger than I want for my mobile unit. I have a 20" G5 iMac at home. Someone commented that the difference in size isn't great between the 15" MBP and the MB. It may not be great, but it IS significant (for me). I had the chance to put them side by side at the Apple store in Austin yesterday. The MB is a touch bigger than I woul like, however I believe it is a perfect compromise for probably the ideal sized screen.

Speaking of the Apple Store, there were a number of amusing conversations I overheard or participated in. It always amazes me how uninformed consumers and sales people are on the latest products in all "gadget" categories. You can imagine some of the conversations.

They only had white ones on display. I asked the salesman if he had any black ones. He said "yes". I said, "can I see it?". His response was, "only if you buy it." I understood his point (which he neglected to point out before his smart a$$ response), but really, could you be more obnoxious?

I watched a student who was about to pull the trigger on a MBP that she had been lusting after for sometime, get quickly enamored with the PB and change her mind and pull the trigger on the MB.

I also was interested in a discussion about the glossy screen. The salesman explained that they made the screen glossy because it is easier to see outside than the matte one and that students often tuse their computers outside. Interesting considering the comments here about the difficulties of glare outside.

I, for one, think the glossy screen is beautiful. The new screen absolutely crushes my 12" PB.

I really wanted a 13" MBP so I have been dissapointed with the belief that that is not going to happen. The more I think about it, though, the MB is MORE than capable for what I do with my laptop. I never play games and don't do any 3D rendering. The most taxing application is probably using iMovie and iDVD. I always want "the most", but this new MB is right on the money for a lot less money than I was willing to spend.

Now, if I plan to buy in July, should I seriously be thinking about waiting for Merom (sp?)?

Thanks for listening to a lurker's first and long post.

Excellent post Mark. Great report. July would be too soon if you MUST. Merom won't begin manufacturing until August and these new MacBooks will proably get Merom after MacBook Pros - my GUESS is by November.

 

[netdog]

I never said FCS will have all the functionality of running it on a Quad or an iMacIntel. I never meant that. I was trying to refute the naysayers who were saying no way in the face of Leemo's numerous reports that it works "Amazingly Well". I think Final Cut Express 3.5 will work great.

And by the way GMA950 supports Quartz Extreme and CoreImage, so it does work fine in spite of its "unsupported" status. You think Apple wants to broadcast that a MacBook is enough to run FCS when they want to sell MacBook Pros to all those guys and gals?

Actually, when you weren't throwing mud at individuals, what you said included this:

The MacBook not only runs Final Cut Studio well, It supports 1920x1200 external monitors spanning which makes it a KILLER BUDGET FCS Platform. The MacBook is looking like a real Final Cut Studio capable system. Leemo has posted numerous times here that it works great.

A number of people were suggesting that it wasn't a killer FCS system, and you decided to start name-calling.

 

[Chundles]

Actually, when you weren't throwing mud at individuals, what you said included this:

The MacBook not only runs Final Cut Studio well, It supports 1920x1200 external monitors spanning which makes it a KILLER BUDGET FCS Platform. The MacBook is looking like a real Final Cut Studio capable system. Leemo has posted numerous times here that it works great.

Yep, I reckon that's game, set and match.

 

[netdog]

I also was interested in a discussion about the glossy screen. The salesman explained that they made the screen glossy because it is easier to see outside than the matte one and that students often tuse their computers outside. Interesting considering the comments here about the difficulties of glare outside.

I used mine out in the garden today, taking advantage of some rare London sunshine, and it was the best outdoor screen experience I have ever had with a laptop. Thoroughly impressed.

 

[netdog]

Yep, I reckon that's game, set and match.

Does Multimedia ever sleep?

 

[Chundles]

Does Multimedia ever sleep?

Well, I'm not one to speak of insomnia....

Is he the rebirth of the Lacero group?

EDIT: 68040!

 

[milo]

Didn't you just post the answer to this? I can well understand not wanting to believe some of this stuff. Nothing worse than having the money but not wanting to spend it on the available product.

That doesn't answer the question. There are plenty of apps that don't list machines as supported but still work fine. I'd like to hear a report from someone who has actually tried running the app.

Erm, it's more graphics intensive than WoW or other games that have been discussed on here. It requires a good graphics card.

Has anyone tried Sims 2 on one of these? It IS a graphically intensive game. Is it playable? Can you turn down the settings?

It won't run Motion and FCP isn't supported.

What's your source on Motion? What happens when you try to run it? I know FCP isn't supported, but I don't care as long as it runs (and it does).

Problem is not solved. Problem is repositioned and a state of denial is established. One could ask why the true believers keep wearing their panties over their eyes

What I could care less about was the yellow nissan and the other exploitive coolness taxes on other products.

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? You insist that you don't care about the color pricing. And yet you insist it's still a problem? Make up your mind. Denial? True believers? Do you really have anything to say about this machine, or are you going to sit in your little sandbox and call people names?

The black is more expensive. If you don't like that, DON'T BUY THE BLACK.

No denial there. No "true believing". Seriously, what's so horrible about the notion of simply not taking advantage of the ***option*** of paying more for a different color? You still haven't given a reason for why it causes you to have such a hissy fit beyond It's Just Evil.

As for the weight, my response is simple. Show me a PC laptop with these features, at this price point, that weighs less. Until then, you're just wasting time with your mindless trolling (such as the rest of your post, which is too nonsensical to even bother responding to).

Uh oh... does this mean dick is right? Oops, Netdog has a balanced and reasoned answer that supercedes the screen shots.

Wow, you're not letting your bias show or anything. Actually, if you read the posts, netdog doesn't really describe how the program runs, or say what problems he's having with performance. His post basically runs through a list of specs, which seems odd to me considering some of the specs he considers inadequate are the same as the MP pro, which has beaten dual G5's in some FCS benchmarks.

Netdog, I'd appreciate some specific details on what you are seeing in terms of performance. As well as any other reports on these apps from other users.

 

[JackSYi]

I ordered my Black MacBook on Tuesday 7:00am PST, and it has finally shipped!

 

[MrCrowbar]

Congrats.....any noises or whines????

Yea. Any noises? Fans kicking in (I hate it when laptops do that)?

 

[netdog]

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

Can we please drop the ALL CAPS AND THE INSULTS? That sort of stuff is much more welcome at AI me thinks. Thanks.

 

[netdog]

Yea. Any noises? Fans kicking in (I hate it when laptops do that)?

Mine has been silent apart from the optical drive and the occasional sound from the SATA disk. Makes my Intel iMac seem loud, and I can't hear that unless the room in dead silent. Honestly, my television tuner is louder than either. I was fearing the worst after some of the MBPs that found their way out into the field, but this MB is the quietest PC that I have ever owned.

 

[ManchesterTrix]

I thought you said Motion won't run at all on MacBooks. But according to Leemo is does and is.

Then I thought you said Final Cut Pro won't run on MacBooks.What the hell does that mean? Isn't and won't be supported? What the heck are you talking about?

Well then I owe you an apology. I thought you MEANT won't run when you siad it isn't supported and won't be. My bad. I apologize.

Oh and congratulations on your semantical acrobatics. . You have brilliant english language usage dexterity and flexibility when the FACTS DEFEAT YOUR Original INTENT. I was SO WRONG to challenge your posts trying to tell everyone they can't run FCS on MacBooks. Yeah I should have just let those go. I was so WRONG. I am a really terrible person for taking up space on this server with that kind of rubbish. I am such a DICK. In fact I AM FOOLISH. And I LOOK Foolish TOO.

You are such a name calling wizard when the FACTS DEFEAT your "REALITY".

Right, because saying "It isn't supported" to mean "It isn't supported" is semantics. My original intent was to say that Motion doesn't work and that FCP isn't supported, how hard is this to grasp? And "limited functionality" does not equal works great.

 

[Leemo]

Been playing with Motion this afternoon.

Haven't got my own material with me at the moment (safely stored in a firewire drive at home) but I have got the recent Mac ads in HD on the machine.

Set up a short 400 frame sequence, dropped in 3 of the ads (in HD resolution), added 3d effects to each, drop shadows, then applied a sharpening filter to one, motion blur filter to the second, and another third-party motion filter that I have to the last one.

Previewed nearly in real time, whilst editing was extremely responsive, and exported the 400 frame sequence in HD resolution with full effects in 55 seconds flat.

I think that's bloody good - can't wait to let this baby get a hold of my own material that I use for my projects.

-Leemo

 

[Rower_CPU]

I never said FCS will have all the functionality of running it on a Quad or an iMacIntel. I never meant that. I was trying to refute the naysayers who were saying no way in the face of Leemo's numerous reports that it works "Amazingly Well". I think Final Cut Express 3.5 will work great.

And by the way GMA950 supports Quartz Extreme and CoreImage, so it does work fine in spite of its "unsupported" status. You think Apple wants to broadcast that a MacBook is enough to run FCS when they want to sell MacBook Pros to all those guys and gals?

Chill. I'm not trying to come down one way or another on this issue - just sharing some info straight from Apple to add something concrete to all the subjective, anecdotal stuff that's bouncing around in here.

I'm glad to see that folks are getting good results with FCS on MacBooks (see Leemo's post above). I just ordered a mini as a stop-gap machine until I get a 2nd/3rd rev MBP and I'm sure I'll be trying FCS on it.

 

[netdog]

Netdog, I'd appreciate some specific details on what you are seeing in terms of performance. As well as any other reports on these apps from other users.

Why on earth are you guys so determined to make a light notebook into a multimedia workstation? A week ago, Multimedia was warning people not to but Yonahs, but to wait for the Meroms as they would impliment 64-bit architecture, be faster and have a faster bus. I agreed with him and said so, but decided in the end that my needs are so light in terms of computing power on my portable that I would go ahead and buy an MB anyway.

Now you and he are arguing that this is a multimedia workstation? I can ride a bicycle on the freeway, but that doesn't mean that I would want to unless I hadn't a more suitable choice. Suggesting that the MacBook is a multimedia workstation is ludicrous in my opinion. There are much better choices. If you need a portable as a multimedia workhorse, for goodness sake wait until the Merom MBPs come out. You'll get a faster bus, hopefully Firewire 800, and a somewhat bigger screen for those times when you do have to use the portable screen. If you plan to dedicate a monitor to it, just get a desktop that will be faster.

The MB is great for showing video, but cutting video? Makes no sense to me. It's a bicycle on the freeway.

 

[ccarrieta]

just con shipping confirmation

Ordered mine on the 16th with "2 day delivery service" left china today and according to apple it should be here on the 25th

Anybody have confirmation of the shipping turnaround when ordering directly from apple? My order went out wednesday @ noon, so if it ships in `1-5 days and then takes 2-3 days to arrive I might have it 5/26? I CANT WAIT!!!!!

 

[DesmoDog]

NO Fair, you were on the same plane as mine....ughhhhh let me know how it is????

As it turns out, they expect me to do actual work around here? What the???

I didn't get to play around with it much but so far so good. I'm using it in an office lit by flourescent bulbs and there were noticable reflections when the thing was starting up, but once I had it running I didn't notice anything, Yes, if I thought about it and looked for it, I could see reflections, but nothing that will bother me. When I moved from the MacBook to my office Wondoze machine, I noticed how dim the monitor I have here is. I'll probably be turning the brightness down on the Mac... I suppose the whole reflection issue could get worse once I do that? We'll see, I'm not too worried about it.

The keyboard seemed weird for the first minute or so, then I got used to it. I can't type all that well anyway so I didn't have to re-learn much as far as touch typing goes.

Noises don't seem to be an issue either, but my office has a rather loud HVAC vent so it would take quite a bit of noise for me to notice it. I put it to sleep once and had to strain to hear anything when it was awakening. Speaking of sleeping, I just looked over at it and the sleep light cycles on and off. It doesn't blink, it slowly transitions from bright to dim/bright/dim... For whatever reason I imagine/hear sounds when I see lights blink, and I can't look at this one without hearing, well... breathing. Kinda freaky. But that one may just be me...

I think that last little bit may have slipped into the too much information zone so I'll get back to real work now.

 

[DesmoDog]

Ordered mine on the 16th with "2 day delivery service" left china today and according to apple it should be here on the 25th

Read it more closely.. they likely say by the 25th. From the order staus page go to tracking info, they will have a more realistic estimate there. Even then, mine showed up a day earlier than FedEx estimated.

 

[netdog]

OMG, I am going to be one of the clowns who pays too much for the black. I am so happy with this machine that I am swapping it tomorrow for the color i really like...black. Hello £120 premium for 20GB and some black dye.

 

[Chundles]

Speaking of sleeping, I just looked over at it and the sleep light cycles on and off. It doesn't blink, it slowly transitions from bright to dim/bright/dim... For whatever reason I imagine/hear sounds when I see lights blink, and I can't look at this one without hearing, well... breathing. Kinda freaky. But that one may just be me...

Actually, that's the perfect response. When the G3 iMac was introduced it was the first to have a sleep light that moved slowly from fully on to fully off. I think Steve actually said the idea was to show people that the iMac "lived" while it was asleep, that it was ready to go in an instant.