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It sure as hell is working, is it not? I mean, in a couple of months im planning on getting the black, but I want to see these things in person first.Willis said:
Argh! Who is this Multimedia Guy???
Dude, these quotes are RIDICULOUS!!
How can you go from absolutely clueless as the operability of FC on the new Macbook to completely, vigilantly assured that it will work wonderfully in a 24 hour period????? Do you own a Macbook? Have you done any testing whatsoever? Or are you finding the scant testimony offered by others and touting that as the Gospel truth?
You seem to be posturing as a "Mac Pro" but your lack of knowledge of the sys. requirements for FCS AND FCE is baffling....IT'S NOT THE GHZ THAT'S THE BOTTLENECK!!!! IT'S THE SHARED GRAPHICS!!!!
I think that
A) You are really trying hard to convince yourself that this consumer, that's right CONSUMER notebook will do swimmingly for your pro suite of apps, and
B) You should seriously get your facts straight before you dupe someone into thinking that you know what you are talking about and mislead them into making an uninformed decision.
Oh yeah, straight from the source:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=303782
Multimedia said:So Final Cut Studio won't run at all on the MacBooks?Is there anyone here that has both that can confirm this or refute it?
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Dude, these quotes are RIDICULOUS!!
How can you go from absolutely clueless as the operability of FC on the new Macbook to completely, vigilantly assured that it will work wonderfully in a 24 hour period????? Do you own a Macbook? Have you done any testing whatsoever? Or are you finding the scant testimony offered by others and touting that as the Gospel truth?
You seem to be posturing as a "Mac Pro" but your lack of knowledge of the sys. requirements for FCS AND FCE is baffling....IT'S NOT THE GHZ THAT'S THE BOTTLENECK!!!! IT'S THE SHARED GRAPHICS!!!!
I think that
A) You are really trying hard to convince yourself that this consumer, that's right CONSUMER notebook will do swimmingly for your pro suite of apps, and
B) You should seriously get your facts straight before you dupe someone into thinking that you know what you are talking about and mislead them into making an uninformed decision.
Oh yeah, straight from the source:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=303782
i tested the macbooks out this weekend at the apple store and they are FAST!! Even the 1.83/ 512MB blew my mind. I dont even think I need to get a gig stick.....but maybe i will just to say i have a lot of ram.....can't wait to get one this week!
If you want to run more than a few apps, you will want more RAM. Just running Mail, Safari with 4-7 tabs and iTunes i am encountering page outs (1882 page outs to be exact).bill4588 said:
i actually had safari, iTunes, Pages, Word, Powerpoint, Mail, and photobooth running with no slowdown or beach balls. I was quite impressed.faintember said:
^^^Thats fine, but you were probably paging out as well and did not notice it. But if you try to do something processor or RAM intensive in one of the programs, with all the others open, then you will see a difference.
I am a long time PC user. Well that was up until about 5 hours ago when I got home with my new macbook.
Everything they say about his thing is true. After playing around with it for just a few hours I slowly figured out the basics of the mac without ever really using one before. Very easy to figure out and understand. It really is an amazing machine and if there are any PC users out there thinking about switching over, I suggest you really go to a store and check one out. You won't be disappointed.
Can anyone tell me some good websites for tips for new users who want to ask stupid questions and not get flamed?
Everything they say about his thing is true. After playing around with it for just a few hours I slowly figured out the basics of the mac without ever really using one before. Very easy to figure out and understand. It really is an amazing machine and if there are any PC users out there thinking about switching over, I suggest you really go to a store and check one out. You won't be disappointed.
Can anyone tell me some good websites for tips for new users who want to ask stupid questions and not get flamed?
Try the guides section of MR, especially the Mac Beginner's Guide.davede70 said:
Congrats on the switch!
Willis said:
Price could come down sooner than you think...
Intel is making major price cuts May 28th.
http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20060518PR209.html
matticus008 said:
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't the GMA programmable? I.e., would it be possible to FLASH present MACBOOK GMA to higher performing GMA in the future?
If not, when would these boards be expected to replace the MACBOOK GMA9xx?
Thanks!
They are programmable, but that's not what it means in the graphics context. You're talking about a Core Image feature that is implemented to make certain functions "preset" while stored in memory. It falls into the DirectX 9 hardware compatibility somewhere...so all GPUs at that level have programmable pixel shaders. It doesn't mean that the GPUs actual functionality can be "flashed" like a BIOS.composer11 said:
That said, there are some functions executed in software which could be updated/extended in future driver versions, but not to the extent of "soft-upgrading" the GMA950 to a whole new class of performance.
MacBook Is A Pro Mobile Mac Posing As Consumer Mac - Runs FCS As Well As MacBook Pro
I think once you've had a chance to go read those first 17 posts listed at that link above from about 5.16.06 11:58PM
I know it must be hard for someone like yourself who has not been here all week to appreciate the changes most of us have gone through from skeptical to outright True Believing in a few days. But if you take the time to do your research and forget the Apple company line about "minimum requirements", going over the first thousand posts here will give you a much clearer idea of why we all have been pretty much born again about MacBooks' powerful capabilities. Save 3-D design and games, it pretty much is a 2GHz Core Duo mobile "workstation".
So lighten up Trewil and do some serious reading here so you might come back and apologize to me and the rest of the group for jumping to conclusions that most everyone else here knows are bogus.
You really did give this thread a great overview of the evoluiton of our discovery this week by listing all those seemingly inconsistent yet evolutionary posts I made over the life of this Thread this past week on Post #2338. Thank you very much for that work.
Love ya man!
That's because you are new here and haven't read all 2348 posts. But I'll cut you some slack since you are new. Welcome to our lovely group of MacBook enthusiasts and observers.Trewil said:
Lee Comley(Leemo), a 21 year old TV Journalism Graduate Student in London England, has loaded FCS on his new MacBook and made 17 reports here that Final Cut Studio runs great.Trewil said:
I think once you've had a chance to go read those first 17 posts listed at that link above from about 5.16.06 11:58PM
on up, you will get the big picture that I learned this week - MacBook is definitely a Pro Mac posing as a consumer Mac. I doubt you will find anyone here who has been reading all these posts since Tuesday would disagree with that supposition. He also found Aperature to work very well too.Leemo said:
Leemo said:
Moreover, a professional video editor, quoted in an earlier Page 84 Post 2093 by ImAlwaysRight from the XLR8YOURMAC.COM forum, loaded FCS on his daugheter's Mac mini Core SOLO and was shocked to discover that it runs FCS surprisingly well. He was pretty much BLOWN AWAY. Here is that quote from my Page 85 Post #2107 "I Rest My Case"Leemo said:
ImAlwaysRight said:
No it's not. We have discovered this week that the 950 IG is adequate for most FCS operations. Soon 955 will be inside for even better performance. You are confusing 3-D games with video work. Video is mostly 2-D not 3-D and only the most advanced (not basic) Motion 2 work falls short. Sure you aren't going to run 8 multi-clips with the MacBook. But how many need Multi-Clip in the first place?Trewil said:
No, Leemo and the PRO EDITOR with his daughter's Mac mini Core Solo did that for me as did the early benchmarks posted above showing MacBook's performance exceeding MacBook Pro's performance. But since you just got here, you probably didn't even read any of those posts right?Trewil said:
There's no attempt on my part to dupe anyone and most everyone here knows that except you because you just walked into the roomTrewil said:
That would be Apple telling you misinformation based on the Pre-MacBook experience. But I appreciate your effort to try and persuade me that reality doesn't exist.Trewil said:
I know it must be hard for someone like yourself who has not been here all week to appreciate the changes most of us have gone through from skeptical to outright True Believing in a few days. But if you take the time to do your research and forget the Apple company line about "minimum requirements", going over the first thousand posts here will give you a much clearer idea of why we all have been pretty much born again about MacBooks' powerful capabilities. Save 3-D design and games, it pretty much is a 2GHz Core Duo mobile "workstation".
So lighten up Trewil and do some serious reading here so you might come back and apologize to me and the rest of the group for jumping to conclusions that most everyone else here knows are bogus.
You really did give this thread a great overview of the evoluiton of our discovery this week by listing all those seemingly inconsistent yet evolutionary posts I made over the life of this Thread this past week on Post #2338. Thank you very much for that work.
Love ya man!
phatz said:
Multimedia said:
I`d like to think that there`ll be a MB revision only in Jan or maybe even later . But I know I`d most probably be wrong. As Apple launched a completely redesigned hardware(ie MB) without even a press event. So it is possible that they upgrade MB to meroms without waiting for the MWSF(Jan 07). IMHO you`ll see meroms in MB after bout atleast 3 months later than MBP. So if Meroms are in MBP this Aug then you can also fancy Meroms in MB this November. But no one can be really sure bout that at all except for the almighty LORD STEVE himself
So you can wait if you wish to. But nothing will hurt u more if you wait and buy the Yonah MB in Nov/Dec and find out that Merom MB are launched 4 weeks later. If you buy now then atleast you`ll be able to use n enjoy the Yonah Mb for 6 extra months. You can wait. But make sure you dont buy a yonah MB in November at all. If you can wait till Nov then IMO you can wait till Jan too. Or may be Feb/Mar/april/may 07.
And it seems like a goofy conclusion either way. I mean, how many times does a notebook get booted? My iBook only gets rebooted when a security upgrade comes out, sometimes that's months apart. The extra 30 seconds once a month or so is not going to justify much expense.PaulinMaryland said:
If a computer boots faster, and all other things remain constant other than HD speed increasing, then it is reasonable to say that all other applications open faster. This means that the HD can be read/written to faster, yielding better performance.rajulkabir said:
The extra expense is more than worth it for people like me(audio person) that like the fastest HD access possible on their laptops.
Multimedia said:That's because you are new here and haven't read all 2348 posts. But I'll cut you some slack since you are new. Welcome to our lovely group of MacBook enthusiasts and observers.Lee Comley(Leemo), a 21 year old TV Journalism Graduate Student in London England, has loaded FCS on his new MacBook and made 17 reports here that Final Cut Studio runs great.
I think once you've had a chance to go read those first 17 posts listed at that link above from about 5.16.06 11:58PM on up, you will get the big picture that I learned this week - MacBook is definitely a Pro Mac posing as a consumer Mac. I doubt you will find anyone here who has been reading all these posts since Tuesday would disagree with that supposition. He also found Aperature to work very well too.Moreover, a professional video editor, quoted in earlier posts from another forum, loaded FCS on his daugheter's Mac mini Core SOLO and was shocked to discover that it runs FCS surprisingly well. He was pretty much BLOWN AWAY. I'm sorry I can't easily find his quote right now, but when I do I will revise this post with that info for you.No it's not. We have discovered this week that the 950 IG is adequate for most FCS operations. Soon 955 will be inside for even better performance. You are confusing 3-D games with video work. Video is mostly 2-D not 3-D and only the most advanced (not basic) Motion 2 work falls short. Sure you aren't going to run 8 multi-clips with the MacBook. But how many need Multi-Clip in the first place?No, Leemo and the PRO EDITOR with his daughter's Mac mini Core Solo did that for me as did the early benchmarks posted above showing MacBook's performance exceeding MacBook Pro's performance. But since you just got here, you probably didn't even read any of those posts right?There's no attempt on my part to dupe anyone and most everyone here knows that except you because you just walked into the room
I know it must be hard for someone like yourself who has not been here all week to appreciate the changes most of us have gone through this week from skeptic to outright True Believers. But if you take the time to do your research and forget the Apple company line about "minimum requirements", going over the first thousand posts here will give you a much clearer idea of why we all have been pretty much born again about MacBooks' powerful capabilities. Save 3-D design and games, it pretty much is a 2GHz Core Duo mobile "workstation".
So lighten up Trewil and do some serious reading here so you might come back and apologize to me and the rest of the group for jumping to conclusions that most everyone else here knows are bogus.
You really did give this thread a great overview of the evoluiton of our discovery this week by listing all those seemingly inconsistent yet evolutionary posts I made over the life of this Thread this past week on Post #2338. Thank you very much for that work.
Love ya man!
There seem to be some lapses in logic here, so I really don't know where to begin. But I'll make a few quick clarifications and then I will be done with you.
1. I have been following the macrumor forums for some time - in regards to this particular thread I have read virtually every post. Your numerous attempts to undermine my statements by pointing out that I am a "newbie" are meaningless. I have read the entire thread and that is why I am so keenly aware of the ludicrous (or at the very, least contradictory) nature of your statements!
2. Wanting the MacBook to be a pro machine doesn't make it a pro machine. It may very well suffice for certain pro tasks - but we won't know that conclusively until more folks who can actually perform these TESTS themselves have MacBooks and copies of FCS in hand, i.e., not you.
I've read Leemo's posts. Aside from Leemo, I've seen an external post from someone who tested a Mac Mini. Considering Apple's staunch no-support status and the scant evidence to the contrary - you should probably not be frothing at the mouth with "definitive" reports that everything will work just fine.
Your progression from asking (numerous times, I might add) "Someone, anyone, please tell me if FCS will run on the MacBook!!!" and then jumping on the testimonies of one or two people and finally running around like a giddy schoolchild espousing the merits of running FCS on the MacBook when you haven't done it yourself is somewhat questionable.
These tests are far from satisfactory, and you don't seem to have first-hand knowledge, so I would just caution you about your "conclusive findings" and your "the jury rests."
-Trewil
ARS Technica MacBook Review Demonstrates MacBook Is Pro Machine
Over this past week I CHANGED MY MIND about what a MacBook is. Does that make my posts inconsistent? I think you see an evolving open-minded personality in my posts not inconsistency. At first I was crying out for FCS workability reports from anyone. Then when they came in as highly positive, I jumped on the MacBook bandwagon as FanBoy #1 - probably not quite giddy, but highly enthusiastic. I don't perceive anything "wrong" or "bad" about that. Sorry if it ruffles your feathers. I think there is little reason to misbelieve these early reports of highly successful FCS operation on the little buggers from two serious experienced Final Cut Studio practitioners.
Yeah I know what you mean.Trewil said:
There is nothing ludicrous about my statements here. You read fairly ludicrous trying to find some though.Trewil said:
Yes I'm a "fanboy". And what is wrong with that? I trust my fellow contributors who are running Final Cut Studio on their new MacBooks and Mac minies. You don't believe in trust? Read this ARS Technica MacBook Review full of benchmarks Providing Significant Evidence MacBook is Pro Mobile beating out MacBook Pro in many of the tests.Trewil said:
Over this past week I CHANGED MY MIND about what a MacBook is. Does that make my posts inconsistent? I think you see an evolving open-minded personality in my posts not inconsistency. At first I was crying out for FCS workability reports from anyone. Then when they came in as highly positive, I jumped on the MacBook bandwagon as FanBoy #1 - probably not quite giddy, but highly enthusiastic. I don't perceive anything "wrong" or "bad" about that. Sorry if it ruffles your feathers. I think there is little reason to misbelieve these early reports of highly successful FCS operation on the little buggers from two serious experienced Final Cut Studio practitioners.
Apologies For Any Childish Swipes At People Who Disagree With Me In Recent Days
That was certainly not my intention and I will try to watch it. Sometimes my enthusiasm gets the better of me. Thanks NetDog.netdog said:
Multimedia, I see that I edited my previous post at the same time that you replied.
I most certainly am not angry - you have misinterpreted the tone of my posts. Should I have punctuated my post with smiley faces?
Anger issues? Come on, man. That is a cop-out and we both know it.
Anyhow, I've made my points as best as I know how. I saw what I perceive to be a history of illogical and misleading posts on your end in this thread and I felt it necessary to call you on it.
However, I don't want to pollute this thread further, so I won't continue this discussion. Feel free to have the last word.
-Trewil
I most certainly am not angry - you have misinterpreted the tone of my posts. Should I have punctuated my post with smiley faces?
Anger issues? Come on, man. That is a cop-out and we both know it.
Anyhow, I've made my points as best as I know how. I saw what I perceive to be a history of illogical and misleading posts on your end in this thread and I felt it necessary to call you on it.
However, I don't want to pollute this thread further, so I won't continue this discussion. Feel free to have the last word.
-Trewil
That would have helped (seriously), but so would the avoidance ofTrewil said:
all-caps.
Many of us are groping our way to the truth as we emerge from the fog of new specs. It's perfectly natural to change one's mind, as Multimedia has done, in the face of new or emerging evidence. If one or two people report that something "works," I don't understand why further corroboration is needed. In my flashlight forum, members routinely ask, "Will this or that bulb light up with this or that battery?" If one or two other members report back, "Yes," that settles it. I realize that computers are more complex devices, and that even if a program runs fine after a fresh boot, it may not boot and run fine after resources have dwindled. Still...
In responding to your post in measured tones, MultiMedia showed he's a class act. If your comments had been directed at me, I would have helped myself to a stiff drink.