MacBook Shipments Have Begun?

[MacSA]

Yes, SuperDrives are standard on all PC notebook $500 or greater, with one exception, the $1100 Macbook.

As for Blu-ray, it tends to be $150-$200 extra for a standard PC notebook.

I still think it's outrageous for Apple to be selling a notebook at that price with just a ComboDrive. I really thought it would disappear at the last update, but nope. I wouldn't be surprised if they kept it.

 

[johnasmith1914]

I just said, if you value OS X as worth $1000 (actually more like $1500, in that particular model), then get a MBP. Otherwise, a well-specced notebook PC would be a significantly better choice.

Beric, you are absolutely wrong. You are not paying $1000 for OS X on ANY model.

More like $900 AT MOST. You are not taking into consideration the better processors on the macbook pros.

and setting up OS X on gateway FX will take HOURS to get it running just as smoothly on a macbook pro.

If you get paid $200 per hour, that's like $1000 to set up OS X on gatewayFX. So that evens out the prices for not having to setup OS X on macbook pros.

 

[polaris20]

I think you're entirely missing the point.

Apple is a premium brand, for which you pay a premium price. You're paying for OS X, plus the brand, plus the design. I'm not trying to defend it, I'm just telling it like it is.

If you're looking for an Apple laptop at the same price as a Gateway laptop with a similar hardware spec, then you're simply not Apple's target market.

This.

Look, Apples are expensive. Always have been. Is it worth it, spec per spec? No, not if you plan to run Windows or Linux on both.

Is it worth it if you absolutely have to run OSX? That's up to the buyer. It is to me, which is why I'll be buying one next month regardless of an update or not.

For everyone else determining value based upon whizbang computer specs; enjoy your bloatware infested Best Buy POS PCs.

If you're going to go Windows, for Christ sakes, at least buy a Thinkpad, not that Best Buy Gateway crap.

 

[Eidorian]

XP is not slower than OSX, Vista is slower than XP and OSX. And I don't have printouts of every test I ran 3 months ago.

Believe it or don't, I don't really care. If you really took 5 minutes internet research you'd see Vista SP1 is still slower.

My main point here is comparing laptops based solely on what the clock speed, RAM, etc is is retarded.

I guess you haven't talked to the utilitarian Mac users then.

This.

Look, Apples are expensive. Always have been. Is it worth it, spec per spec? No, not if you plan to run Windows or Linux on both.

Is it worth it if you absolutely have to run OSX? That's up to the buyer. It is to me, which is why I'll be buying one next month regardless of an update or not.

For everyone else determining value based upon whizbang computer specs; enjoy your bloatware infested Best Buy POS PCs.

If you're going to go Windows, for Christ sakes, at least buy a Thinkpad, not that Best Buy Gateway crap.

That 17" Gateway monster for around ~$1,400 is the best midrange laptop out there. It is on the heavy side but you get the hardware.

 

[Beric]

I think you're entirely missing the point.

Apple is a premium brand, for which you pay a premium price. You're paying for OS X, plus the brand, plus the design. I'm not trying to defend it, I'm just telling it like it is.

If you're looking for an Apple laptop at the same price as a Gateway laptop with a similar hardware spec, then you're simply not Apple's target market.

My point exactly. I know that over the past 6 months, I've changing from being a Mac lover to a mac-liker who now feels specs and price are far more important. I still have buyer's remorse over my $1500 Macbook, when I realize what I could have gotten for $1500 in the PC world. While I appreciate OS X, I'm no longer willing to pay incredible prices for an OS and design (good point adding in the design) that are not worth as much to me anymore.

 

[zap2]

899?!?!


To much to hope for?

I'd settle for the price of my iBook when I bought it new-999

 

[jackfrost123]

No, he's just realistic, your the fanboy here for paying that much for OS.

I myself love OSX, but come on people who think Apple could do a better job than Microsoft seriously have a lot of reevaluating to do, I have a hard time seeing Apple being to support 97-98% of the worlds hardware with their without having 100 times more bugs and problems than Microsoft has with Vista.

Jeez Apple supports such a limited hardware and still a lot of issues and problems they need to deal with constantly.

Very true, very well put, but of course this is not the case so we can rejoice in our apple fanboi-sm. And also I think there's something incredibly moronic about ms bottom down, there seems to be so much bad heat and ugly people running it and working there...

 

[polaris20]

I guess you haven't talked to the utilitarian Mac users then.

That 17" Gateway monster for around ~$1,400 is the best midrange laptop out there. It is on the heavy side but you get the hardware.

Argh. Specs do not a good computer make. Given an identically spec'd Thinkpad to the Gateway, the Gateway is a piece of ****, as is an HP. Or Dell.

But you guys don't care about that, right? Just the shiny numbers?

 

[polaris20]

My point exactly. I know that over the past 6 months, I've changing from being a Mac lover to a mac-liker who now feels specs and price are far more important. I still have buyer's remorse over my $1500 Macbook, when I realize what I could have gotten for $1500 in the PC world. While I appreciate OS X, I'm no longer willing to pay incredible prices for an OS and design (good point adding in the design) that are not worth as much to me anymore.

Good! Then don't. But why post here?

 

[iCries]

Very true, very well put, but of course this is not the case so we can rejoice in our apple fanboi-sm. And also I think there's something incredibly moronic about ms bottom down, there seems to be so much bad heat and ugly people running it and working there...

haha. They need good leadership and a restructuring of the company if you ask me. They need a visionary like Steve Jobs to regain what they have lost if you ask me. :3

 

[Beric]

That 17" Gateway monster for around ~$1,400 is the best midrange laptop out there. It is on the heavy side but you get the hardware.

Exactly. I'm a user who prefers OS X and would buy an ugly, heavy computer that runs it over a similarly-priced PC notebook.

I actually don't see why Apple can't also make notebooks for people who care about hardware, and not just the OS and design.

 

[iCries]

Good! Then don't. But why post here?

He still likes mac? He is still interested? Do you have to love and never question Apples tactics to be able to be here? Who the f*** are you to judge that?

 

[Tosser]

Beric, you are absolutely wrong. You are not paying $1000 for OS X on ANY model.

More like $900 AT MOST. You are not taking into consideration the better processors on the macbook pros.

and setting up OS X on gateway FX will take HOURS to get it running just as smoothly on a macbook pro.

If you get paid $200 per hour, that's like $1000 to set up OS X on gatewayFX. So that evens out the prices for not having to setup OS X on macbook pros.

LOL, and if he's being paid 500 bucks an hour, he has wasted quite a lot of money

In all seriousness, your argument is ridiculous. If beric makes 200 bucks an hour, he'd be using his free time, or better yet: Pay some college kid 10 bucks an hour to set the thing up, if, say he wanted to make it a hackintosh.

Don't kid yourself, if you think that macs "just works", they don't. And with professional apps, you really have to set them up properly. We're not talking college here.


Secondly, saying that Beric is "absolutely" wrong when he mentions a figure of $1000, while you go "it's $900 dollars at most", doesn't really make him "absolutely" wrong.
I'm sorry, but you come off as a fanboy. Were you also the bloke who "liked to think" that the hardware in Apple computers "where of a better quality than the PC equivalents"?

 

[johnasmith1914]

Argh. Specs do not a good computer make. Given an identically spec'd Thinkpad to the Gateway, the Gateway is a piece of ****, as is an HP. Or Dell.

Yeah, I bought 2 dells, an HP, and a gateway, and they all broke within a month.

On the dell, the monitor exploded and I gut cuts on my arm to prove it. There is still a scar.

The hp processor got fried too. Same with Gateway.

That is why i pay $800 (Not $1000 like beric says) to buy a macs. It is simply a good deal when OS X has NEVER crashed on me once in all my years. I have never known anyone that has experienced an OS X crash.

All the vista users i know experience crashes about 20 or 30 times per day.

 

[kabunaru]

I expect:
13" Aluminium MacBook
Dual-Layer DVD Drive
ATI Radeon IGP
LED-display
Weighs less than the current MacBook
160GB HD
$999

13" Black Aluminium "High-end" MacBook
Dual-Layed DVD Drive
ATI Radeon IGP
LED-display
Weighs less than the current MacBook
320GB HD
$1299

 

[Syrus28]

Argh. Specs do not a good computer make. Given an identically spec'd Thinkpad to the Gateway, the Gateway is a piece of ****, as is an HP. Or Dell.

But you guys don't care about that, right? Just the shiny numbers?

Im curious, what do you look for when buying a computer?

 

[PowerFullMac]

I only just got this MacBook a few months ago!!!!!

Although, a lower entry-level price would be very nice, and would certainly get Apple a lot more business.

 

[Beric]

Good! Then don't. But why post here?

First, because I own a Macbook. I would also like to buy a higher-specced Mac notebook that is actually competitively-priced. I prefer the OS. But I'm not willing to pay current prices for it. I like to talk about what I want to own. And that's a powerful Mac notebook that doesn't fuss about looks or weight or thickness, and that is priced similarly to an equivalent PC.

 

[jakie.mac]

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the PowerBook's were Titanium, and then they switched to an Aluminium alloy with the MacBook Pro's?

My powerbook G4 12" is made of aluminium, it was the original powerbooks that were titanium

 

[Cinch]

worth of MacBook

I just said, if you value OS X as worth $1000 (actually more like $1500, in that particular model), then get a MBP. Otherwise, a well-specced notebook PC would be a significantly better choice.

I own a black MacBook. My personal valuation of my black MacBook is:

$500 - aesthetic beauty (no notebook on the market come close to MB, this this include the MBP but exclude the MB Air)

$500 - aesthetic beauty and ease of use of OSX

$500 - iLife (iPhoto and iTunes)

Total = $1500

Cinch

 

[johnasmith1914]

I know some people that work at apple and I know that the Intel processors that are in the mac are different from the intel processors in the PCs.

Intel makes Special Superior processors for the Macbook that are specially ordered and designed not to crash. The ones designed for vista are designed with older specifications that are made to crash more often.

Also the nvidia graphics card is a different version than what the model number says. On the macbook, it is a Secret edition that performs better.

 

[9822737]

Yeah, I bought 2 dells, an HP, and a gateway, and they all broke within a month.

On the dell, the monitor exploded and I gut cuts on my arm to prove it. There is still a scar.

The hp processor got fried too. Same with Gateway.

That is why i pay $800 (Not $1000 like beric says) to buy a macs. It is simply a good deal when OS X has NEVER crashed on me once in all my years. I have never known anyone that has experienced an OS X crash.

All the vista users i know experience crashes about 20 or 30 times per day.

I was using a MacBook Pro today at work and it crashed while I was using Pages.

I use a HP for work every day and it does crash a lot I admit, but by a lot I mean once a day - which is annoying for me.

AnDy

 

[rushmere]

My point exactly. I know that over the past 6 months, I've changing from being a Mac lover to a mac-liker who now feels specs and price are far more important. I still have buyer's remorse over my $1500 Macbook, when I realize what I could have gotten for $1500 in the PC world. While I appreciate OS X, I'm no longer willing to pay incredible prices for an OS and design (good point adding in the design) that are not worth as much to me anymore.

It's simply down to personal preference. If you prefer a PC with higher spec hardware, then buy it and enjoy it.

For me, I think a Mac is worth every penny. I accept that I'm paying a premium price, but I enjoy using a Mac more than a PC. In fact, I would personally be willing to pay a bit more. I have no desire to convince you that a Mac is a better choice than a PC, because although it is for me, it sounds like it isn't for you. Sell your Macbook (the resale value is generally much better than an equivalent PC, which actually can make the real cost of ownership lower than a PC, but that's another story ) and buy that Gateway if it makes you happy.

 

[tacojohn]

I expect:
13" Aluminium MacBook
Dual-Layer DVD Drive
ATI Radeon IGP
LED-display
Weighs less than the current MacBook
160GB HD
$999

13" Black Aluminium "High-end" MacBook
Dual-Layed DVD Drive
ATI Radeon IGP
LED-display
Weighs less than the current MacBook
320GB HD
$1299

If these specs are true and it's able to "get by" with Motion 3, I will be getting one.

 

[polaris20]

He still likes mac? He is still interested? Do you have to love and never question Apples tactics to be able to be here? Who the f*** are you to judge that?

I asked a question. Settle down, Francis. Did I swear at him like you just swore at me? Relax.

Im curious, what do you look for when buying a computer?

I look for system reliability, specs, and support. Because if you don't think the first and third are important, you're off-base.

I've dealt with HP, Dell, and Gateway enough in my time that I do not want to have anything to do with them.

To me, Lenovo is the only PC maker that matters, unless I'm buying a tower. Then I will just build it myself.