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mattopotamus said:
I may eat crow, but you need a thread when you are wrong since you are so confident :)

It may not happen in a week, but by WWDC it will.
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I won't run from my detractors, I'm here to engage, not to hide. I won't be creating a "BJ WAS RIGHT HA HA" thread if I'm right after WWDC is over, wouldn't expect the inverse if I'm wrong (fat chance).

Thing is, I think all of you are correct about the RMB being updated, I just think your calendars are off by 6 months. Some see March 2015 announcement as the date the clock started ticking, I see the August 2015 full supply-chain as the date.

No one runs out and buys new notebooks in April. New college students, new high school freshmen, executives back to the grind after summer vacation....this all goes down in August for the Back To School timeframe. And back to Best Buy, these guys didn't have the RMB in all sizes and all colors until 6 months ago, it either shipped late or Apple announced it early to drive the stock price, either way, you won't find many CE retailers changing out inventory and floor samples of a product that's so new to the market, in a niche segment, that is very low margin, so quickly.

BJ
 
boltjames said:
Whether a hot product, a lousy product, or an average product, the act of retail store inventory replenishment is a human exercise and subject to the same emotional and irrational process one goes through when deciding on what type of latte to purchase in the morning.
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Not really for Fortune 500 companies with shareholders selling $1300+ pieces of inventory.

On your point about supply chain constraints. Yes, this computer was widely available until the Fall. I don't see why Apple would then wait until the anniversary of supply catching up to refresh with current tech that's been available from Intel for a bit of time now.

Not sure if it's this thread or another, but BB seems to not have any stock in-store NYC-Philly. That's odd. Full store sellouts seems overkill for trying to lower excess inventory.
 
boltjames said:
I won't run from my detractors, I'm here to engage, not to hide. I won't be creating a "BJ WAS RIGHT HA HA" thread if I'm right after WWDC is over, wouldn't expect the inverse if I'm wrong (fat chance).

Thing is, I think all of you are correct about the RMB being updated, I just think your calendars are off by 6 months. Some see March 2015 announcement as the date the clock started ticking, I see the August 2015 full supply-chain as the date.

No one runs out and buys new notebooks in April. New college students, new high school freshmen, executives back to the grind after summer vacation....this all goes down in August for the Back To School timeframe. And back to Best Buy, these guys didn't have the RMB in all sizes and all colors until 6 months ago, it either shipped late or Apple announced it early to drive the stock price, either way, you won't find many CE retailers changing out inventory and floor samples of a product that's so new to the market, in a niche segment, that is very low margin, so quickly.

BJ
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Do you know what the longest they have ever waited to refresh is? I do not have that answer, but IIRC, based on what others have said, this is the longest a mac has gone without an update.
 
applesith said:
Not really for Fortune 500 companies with shareholders selling $1300+ pieces of inventory.
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Yes, really. I've worked for several of them and while there are elaborate forecasting systems that supposedly take the guesswork out of the process, in the end there's a guy responsible for the P&L and the turn and each brand has its own rules regarding markdown support and returns and human nuancing takes place. No forecasting system can predict how a slowly-launched Apple notebook will perform when Apple was only ready to ship it in large numbers right at the Christmas shipping deadline. Someone at Best Buy guessed wrong, it led to needing to take discounts in the weakest part of the year. It's not some indicator that a new machine is coming next month.

applesith said:
On your point about supply chain constraints. Yes, this computer was widely available until the Fall. I don't see why Apple would then wait until the anniversary of supply catching up to refresh with current tech that's been available from Intel for a bit of time now.
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Because coming off of a tough Christmas in a severely downtrending category, no retailer will want to get hit with all the markdowns, deal with all the buyer's remorse returns, and swap out all the floor samples for an item that had, essentially, a six month shelf life.

mattopotamus said:
Do you know what the longest they have ever waited to refresh is? I do not have that answer, but IIRC, based on what others have said, this is the longest a mac has gone without an update.
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This isn't your father's Mac. It's a revolutionary new product that has some extraordinarily remarkable and different philosophies, the primary ones being A) form factor is King and B) processing horsepower is inconsequential. Skylake doesn't address A and it is immaterial to B which is why it's not happening.

BJ
 
boltjames said:
This isn't your father's Mac. It's a revolutionary new product that has some extraordinarily remarkable and different philosophies, the primary ones being A) form factor is King and B) processing horsepower is inconsequential. Skylake doesn't address A and it is immaterial to B which is why it's not happening.

BJ
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neither was the mac air when it was released, and that saw a yearly refresh.
 
mattopotamus said:
neither was the mac air when it was released, and that saw a yearly refresh.
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There were 2 MacBook's back then, not 3, frequent updates were necessary to keep up with the horsepower wars Apple was fighting.

And remember, back in 2008 the iPhone was still in its first generation, the 3G wasn't even released yet. The iPad was still 2 years away from release. The iTunes Music Store, the App Store, the expansion of the Apple Retail Stores, all the drivers of today's Apple empire weren't even in existence at that time, and those that were were in tiny numbers.

It's 2016 matto, Apple is not the same company, they're not going to update a niche notebook when they have massive fish to fry in their portable products line, computer products line, streaming services, the Watch, the TV, the Beats acquisition, the old Apple is gone, get with the program.

BJ
 
I'm officially waiting. There's too many signs pointing to a refresh. A faster processor alone is worth for the wait for me personally.
 
boltjames said:
It's 2016 matto, Apple is not the same company, they're not going to update a niche notebook when they have massive fish to fry in their portable products line, computer products line, streaming services, the Watch, the TV, the Beats acquisition, the old Apple is gone, get with the program.
BJ
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I don't think any updates for the Macbook that are coming require any more than minimal effort from Apple. We're talking about, at most, swapping in newer processors that are already ready to go off the shelf. Granted that single change can increase other things like battery life and such but still. I don't think anyone is expecting a big change here. That's why, if there is a change, I don't even expect to see much discussion on it at the keynote, let alone at all.

The Pro update won't come until later anyway so it doesn't even make sense to cover any other Macs at this keynote. WWDC is a better venue for that. With the MacBook now handling the portability portion of the Mac lineup, the Air will be gone soon as well. Makes zero sense for Apple to keep it around.
 
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MI MacGuy said:
I'm officially waiting. There's too many signs pointing to a refresh. A faster processor alone is worth for the wait for me personally.
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Consider though that you have a fifteen day return period on an open box. Order now, decide to keep or return after Monday.

While I'd love a cpu speed and battery life bump, the $600 price delta is tough to overcome. (Comparing Apple retail on 1.2/512 config against bestbuy openbox with 10% coupon from ebay) So I've hedged my bets and ordered an openbox; we'll see what Monday brings.
 
I ordered open box 512GB Space Grey last night. With movers coupon, it's 35% off. Too good of a deal to let go by especially with the option to return.

I'll be keeping my 2011 15 MBP for when I need heavy duty stuff but haven't really needed it in a while. Looking forward to moving to the thinner lighter Mac for a change. Ordered USB-C adapters on Amazon and a sleeve this morning. Excited!
 
MI MacGuy said:
I don't think any updates for the Macbook that are coming require any more than minimal effort from Apple. We're talking about, at most, swapping in newer processors that are already ready to go off the shelf. Granted that single change can increase other things like battery life and such but still. I don't think anyone is expecting a big change here. That's why, if there is a change, I don't even expect to see much discussion on it at the keynote, let alone at all.

The Pro update won't come until later anyway so it doesn't even make sense to cover any other Macs at this keynote. WWDC is a better venue for that. With the MacBook now handling the portability portion of the Mac lineup, the Air will be gone soon as well. Makes zero sense for Apple to keep it around.
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exactly, which is why it can be such a small mention and still be part of the event. They often times silently update the Pro's when it is just specs....this should be no different. I do not think anyone expects a design rMB. The pros on the other hand will probably get a redesign come WWDC.
 
MI MacGuy said:
With the MacBook now handling the portability portion of the Mac lineup, the Air will be gone soon as well. Makes zero sense for Apple to keep it around.
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The Air is only the best-selling notebook in Apple's lineup, so they're not going to drop it. It's cheap, it's relatively light and thin, and it has legacy ports for IT departments in large companies whose employees want a Mac instead of a PC.

If the Air doesn't get upgraded, watch for it to become the iPhone 5C of the line, demoted to a cheap notebook for emerging markets like India and China.

BJ
 
deeddawg said:
Consider though that you have a fifteen day return period on an open box. Order now, decide to keep or return after Monday.

While I'd love a cpu speed and battery life bump, the $600 price delta is tough to overcome. (Comparing Apple retail on 1.2/512 config against bestbuy openbox with 10% coupon from ebay) So I've hedged my bets and ordered an openbox; we'll see what Monday brings.
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Smart money would been the current rMB, with the $600 discount, unless Apple add TB-3 to the rMB the update will just be a spec bump, then you can then wait to see what the 2017 rMB offers with a good chunk of change in you pocket twards it.

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Queen6 said:
Smart money would been the current rMB, with the $600 discount, unless Apple add TB-3 to the rMB the update will just be a spec bump, then you can then wait to see what the 2017 rMB offers with a good chunk of change in you pocket twards it.
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Which is exactly why there's a shiny new-to-me open box rMB sitting on my desk... My primary need for this is storage and portability more than compute power since it's a secondary device. :D
 
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boltjames said:
The Air is only the best-selling notebook in Apple's lineup, so they're not going to drop it. It's cheap, it's relatively light and thin, and it has legacy ports for IT departments in large companies whose employees want a Mac instead of a PC.

If the Air doesn't get upgraded, watch for it to become the iPhone 5C of the line, demoted to a cheap notebook for emerging markets like India and China.

BJ
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I doubt Apple will do much with the Air other than the internals, as the Air has colossal margins for a notebook, especially once you add in any in-house upgrades. The Air is literally "cheap as chips" to manufacture, sell`s by the "boatload" To add a retina display to the Air would not be an easy task by any means, equally Apple could do everyone a favour and dump the current low quality TN panel, replacing it with same resolution IPS panel, this alone would be a massive upgrade to the Air at minimal cost to Apple. I would be surprised if it happens as Apple has little to no incentive to do so...

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Queen6 said:
Smart money would been the current rMB, with the $600 discount, unless Apple add TB-3 to the rMB the update will just be a spec bump, then you can then wait to see what the 2017 rMB offers with a good chunk of change in you pocket twards it.

Q-6
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Exactly. I think us rMB users have forgotten about the impeding Rmbp refresh. I don't think it's too unexpected to expect the redesign to be as light as the MBA.
 
So far, "BJ was right ha ha". Really bummed there were no updates to skylake announced today.

During the event, there was mention that there's a lot of 5-year old laptops out there. Mine is one of them. But I'm not going to replace it with an iOS device. Can't do that because half of the websites that see it's iOS will load up an incomplete, inefficient, mobile version of the website.
 
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boltjames said:
Head went back and to the left! Second shooter! Over there! Behind the Grassy Knoll!

Retailers in the United States are allowed to run products on sale as much as 49% of the time and at full price as little as 51% of the time.

The record keeping is done annually and is audited by regulatory agencies for compliance at the sku level. It's up to each retailer to decide on which dates and for how long each sale promotion runs on a given item.

Translation: There is nothing significant to glean from Best Buy's markdown strategy on the RMB other than they are a struggling retailer who had a brutal Christmas and March is the slowest month of the year for Consumer Electronics. It's post-Christmas, post-Super Bowl, and pre-Back To School. You cold hold archery practice in a Best Buy right now and not hurt a soul.

BJ
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And there it is BJ. I couldnt wait to dig up this post to show how wrong you were. Hopefully the rest of the posters will enjoy your nonsense as much as I did.
Being right is righteous.
 
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