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I actually really enjoy mine (pre-ordered maxed out version, started reading the first reported problems, got cold feet and cancelled order. After they started showing in  stores, I purchased a non BTO option, 2.7ghz) its been a pretty nice machine. What's weird is it basically has been sitting on my desk, I use it in the evening, but still find myself taking my Early 2011 CMBP to work with me as it has been my trusty sidekick for so long.... Love the screen on the new one but still really like my "OLD ASS MBP". Still feel this new one is a definite upgrade over my 2011.

Now to why I replied to your text. I was with you until you got to Battery life is phenomenal.... Really? C'mon now, if you own one, you know its not getting the battery life  says it is.

Its one thing to love it and yet another to lie for it......

Enjoy the ride.

How am I lying for it? Everyone uses their laptops differently. I don't use the same programs you do, so based on how my previous laptop's battery drained with all the apps I used, this one gets me through longer.
 
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This MacBook Pro is hilariously awful. Steve is not just spinning in his grave, he is about to resurrect from his grave and slap the you know what out of Tim. This is not what he meant when he said, "Don't ask yourself what Steve Jobs would do." You can quote it all you want to manage the pain of these wounds, but we've still got a dead dog of an Apple computer on our hands at the end of the day.

Absolute dog excrement.

Positivity? Sure. I like the Apple Watch. I do think it will do just fine. They still need help on pricing. Consumer psychology courses would come in handy to their pricing analysts. You can't sell a $600 watch and then turn around and have a resale value of $100 a year later. Maybe you can! Time will tell. What do I know.
 
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This is a poor issue to make it past QA as time machine is a basic feature of owning a mac.
 
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This MacBook Pro is hilariously awful. Steve is not just spinning in his grave, he is about to resurrect from his grave and slap the you know what out of Tim. This is not what he meant when he said, "Don't ask yourself what Steve Jobs would do." You can quote it all you want to manage the pain of these wounds, but we've still got a dead dog of an Apple computer on our hands at the end of the day.

Absolute dog excrement.

Positivity? Sure. I like the Apple Watch. I do think it will do just fine. They still need help on pricing. Consumer psychology courses would come in handy to their pricing analysts. You can't sell a $600 watch and then turn around and have a resale value of $100 a year later. Maybe you can! Time will tell. What do I know.

Is it though? I believe this MacBook Pro is just an evolving product from apples shift from a computer company to a consumer company . The whole "pro" aspect is just markertng BS spinner that also allows them to raise the price.

The issue I see is that is it's going consumer products very fast and us older users still want them to be a specialised computer company . I'd say apple computer company is very much RIP. Goodbye specialised machines hello sexy disposables.

If you remember apple stopped being a computer company, its product range makes sense .... I think the new machine is very very good, but not for the asking price, hence retiring and getting 2015 model that will last me 5 years.
 
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Now can they fix the fact Time Machine fails regularly if backing up to a NAS drive which is not a Time Capsule!?
 
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What about Gpu's fix? Its not software then?I mean if they can't fix it must be packed in the hardware,or not?
 
The original post said 40 TB. Could be a Blu Ray disc image file.
Can Blu-ray's get that big? I thought it was 50-100 GB max for them.

Here's the bit from the OP that I was referencing. I guess it could be a typo?

I had the same issue. My MacBook Pro crashed when transferring large files (over 4TB). I installed macOS 10.12.2 and the problem is solved! Yesterday I did a 40TB backup with no problems at all!
 
It bet the backups would have worked fine with TB3. I think having to emulate the slower speeds for USB 2/3 in the OS. I would be nice if everything is using the new port standard including new HDMI cables, Ethernet, Printers, card readers, thumb drives, HDs. That is when the standard will take off.
 
My MacBook Pro is perfectly fine. No issues here. I understood what I was buying into, the lack of ports, etc. Not sure, I feel most people complaining are the ones that won't own one anyway. I waited for this upgrade, and to me it's an upgrade from my previous laptop. I do a lot of design work, and it's a great machine. Battery life is phenomenal.

An upgrade when its been shown to be slower than the previous models with worse battery life and a worse keyboard? but the same amount of RAM and stock SSD sizes..

To me the only thing upgraded about the new models is the P3 display but everything else is either on par or worse than the older models.
 
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A 40TB backup?!

That was my thought.... that's an insane amount of data!
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Start from zero, remove the Touch Bar and keyboard and make it Touchscreen, just like the Surface.

Can you imagine trying to use OS X ... errrr macOS ... with touch? Yuck. Just watch any video of someone doing that with Windows... multiple taps to get the right target. No thanks.
 
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It bugs me that the Time Machine icon is not in proper perspective…
 
Can anybody confirm latest beta fixing the crash/freeze on sleep issue?
 
An upgrade when its been shown to be slower than the previous models.
They are using the Skylake equivalents of what the previous generation of MBPs was using, ie, they should offer whatever small improvements Skylake brings to the table. What seems to be happening, though, is that under sustained load, there is some thermal throttling.
with worse battery life
To some degree Apple fooled themselves by letting the power savings of Skylake at close to idle load combined with their unchanged test usage cycle determine battery size. On the other hand, I would not be surprised if over the next couple of years, while Apple keeps the case size and thus battery size constant, power consumption improvements in particular at the CPU level as well as smaller improvements in battery capacity for a given physical size, battery life, both with light as well as heavy usage keeps rising again.

In a sense, battery life takes a hit every four years or so as Apple shrinks the case and then improves again as technology is improving over time.
but the same amount of RAM
Apple has been using low-voltage/power RAM in its MBP line since 2012. Did you expect that to change? What changed is RAM category (in terms of power consumption) above that increased in capacity while the the low-voltage RAM category did not. You can see this in two ways: a) the effects of Apple switching to low-voltage RAM in 2012 weren't noticeable because the low-voltage RAM was offered in the same capacities as standard-voltage RAM or b) in a year when the capacities of low-voltage RAM don't increase, but the ones with standard voltage do, offering only one product line at the 15" size makes you look bad because other vendors can offer thin and light models with 16 GB RAM as well as thicker and less energy-efficient models with 32 GB of RAM, whereas you with only one model cannot offer both things at the same time.
and stock SSD sizes
I think the biggest mistake here is the price increase [for the same stock SSD sizes]. Though for the 15" model, if you want a discrete GPU, there was no price increase, even a $100 price decrease. But removing the no-discrete-GPU model from the line-up does raise the entry-level price significantly. And the price increase of the 13" model is much harder to justify (I guess, the touch bar has something to do with that). However, the prices for SSD size increases have either stayed the same or gone down, with a larger options added in the 15" model.

To me the only thing upgraded about the new models is the P3 display but everything else is either on par or worse than the older models.
The GPU of 15" model did get serious performance boost. And going from one 4K display at 30 Hz to two 4K displays at 60 Hz, as well as enabling a 5K monitor is serious increase on the 13" model as well. And talking about peripherals, USB-C and TB3 is also a serious performance increase. And there are other niceties like the fingerprint sensor, not even to speak of the touch bar.
 
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"I had the same issue. My MacBook Pro crashed when transferring large files (over 4TB). I installed macOS 10.12.2 and the problem is solved! Yesterday I did a 40TB backup with no problems at all!"

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. We're pulling out the exclamation points and joyousness over the fact Apple released a $3,400+ machine that a month after release requires you to be on a beta of the OS to be able to take backups? Seriously?

Wow, the bar has sunk REALLY low when this is considered success.
 
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I haven't had this issue and have been doing TS to an external drive since day 1. I wonder if the fact that I'm going Thunderbolt 3 -> Thunderbolt adapter -> Thunderbolt dock -> drive has mitigated the problem.
 
Not sure if other members saw this but my 2TB Seagate Backplus used for TM got fully messed by my "13 TB MBP.

I had the drive plugged to the Hootoo shuttle and ejected the drive. After ejecting, noticed Time Machine said "back up failed". I then tried plugging back the hard drive to the shuttle but this would not get detected by my mac. Unplugged the drive from the Hootoo and plugged it directly to a USB-C port, same thing. Launched disk utility, no external hard drive found. Did full reboot and same issue. I had to resort to using my wife's PC to reformat the hard drive to NTFS before connecting this back to my mac to then format as HFS+. I luckily had another hard drive with the full time machine back up. Scary situation but now I've also set up crash plan to keep a back up offsite.
 
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