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macOS 10.13 All The Little Things!
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prymitywista
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redheeler
macrumors G3
One of the best new features introduced in last year's MacOS Sierra (10.12). But this thread is for MacOS High Sierra (10.13).
Scary Spice
macrumors 6502
😀 So far this page was nothing but people pointing out that it's not a new feature.. I think he's got the message now 😉😛
Just a quick question everyone...
Is Beta 3 safe enough to use on a main drive? I know the old adage, "don't use betas on main machines" but at some point, the betas do become generally stable enough that you can. Are we at that point with Beta 3? Thanks
Is Beta 3 safe enough to use on a main drive? I know the old adage, "don't use betas on main machines" but at some point, the betas do become generally stable enough that you can. Are we at that point with Beta 3? Thanks
Aquamite
macrumors 6502
Type4O
macrumors 6502
Question: does High Sierra work slower on a HFS drive than an APFS drive? I have it on my iMac which I converted to APFS, works nice, but my Mac Mini did not ask me if I wanted to convert so is still HFS, and is a bit of a slug when opening anything.
My Mac Mini is only a media machine, so I'm likely going to put it back to Sierra, but was wondering if my question is actually a thing.
Thanks
My Mac Mini is only a media machine, so I'm likely going to put it back to Sierra, but was wondering if my question is actually a thing.
Thanks
redheeler
macrumors G3
Level Indicator elements got an overdue flat redesign in High Sierra. They hadn't been touched since Mac OS X Leopard days; seriously out of place in Yosemite, El Capitan, and Sierra.
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redheeler
macrumors G3
Some apps like Coconut Battery make use of them. I noticed the change when I opened up that app on my High Sierra MBP.
vbctv
macrumors 65816
It's weird and I created a post about it because my 2012 MacBook Air is going slow as a snail running APFS but my 2014 Mac mini is running faster than before. Both have 4GB Ram and my Mac mini was upgraded to a SSD. So I think it depends on age maybe or just device to device.
macintoshmac
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I think that might have come right from beta 1. Although I am unsure if I did see this on 10.12.6 betas that I was running. Someone on 10.12.6 should confirm! 🙂
dinepada
macrumors regular
seems like apfs needs some cpu features available on newer arquitectures, so it will go slow on older machines
Caleb531
macrumors 6502
It's worth noting that snapshots don't work across APFS volumes because of how they are implemented at a file-system level. As I understand it, when a snapshot is taken, the system creates additional pointers to the original file blocks. When the user changes a file, new data blocks are written, while the original blocks (being pointed to by the snapshot) are untouched. Restoring a snapshot requires simply setting the file pointers to point to the original data blocks. This makes snapshots faster and more efficient than a full copy, but since they rely on the state of the internal file system, they cannot work across volumes.
That being said, yes, I think snapshots could definitely be utilized to make Time Machine backups more efficient. Data could be copied initially, and then snapshots could be used to store revisions of the data as changes are made and backed up.
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Finally. This reminds me of when they waited a whole year for El Capitan before updating the beach ball. 😕
They still need to update the terribly dated low battery icon alert. It looks 10 years out of date.
bmac89
macrumors 65816
They still need to change the “trash” back to “eject” when ejecting an external drive (dragging to trash can)
LewisChapman
macrumors 6502a
That's unhelpful. The poster is asking a reasonable question, one which I would also be interested in hearing an answer for.
I've used betas since iOS6 and Mountain Lion and there is a point that the betas do become usable on a DD however admittedly often the following OS makes it unusable again.
Aquamite
macrumors 6502
The fact that you don't like reality of the facts doesn't make my answer less helpful. Betas are betas and therefore by definition they are never "safe enough to use on a main drive", which is what the user asked.
LewisChapman
macrumors 6502a
I can certainly see where you are coming from but realistically an answer such as 'It's not been very stable for me' or 'It's running fairly smooth for me' is far more helpful than 'You should never install it'. That is, if you really feel the need to provide a reply down to us from your high horse.
The poster is aware that betas aren't safe and I am sure you are aware that there is in fact a point at which betas 'stabilise' (usually further on in development than this). The poster was asking whether the beta is at that point - his question remains unanswered thus your reply was unhelpful.
Anyway - we digress, let's get back to topic! I want to see some more neat changes 😀.
Aquamite
macrumors 6502
DocoBob
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No, Beta 3 is not good enough to use as your main drive.
And yes, I agree with the other posters that says that no Beta is ever worthy of being on your main drive. As a Silicon Valley developer for 40 years I can tell you that no Beta is ever intended for main drive use, ever, which is why we include the warning. I understand that sometimes it seems like a Beta is safe, but in reality it never ever is. Public Beta is only part of the testing that occurs on software. Public Beta users help us get the testing done faster but the reality is that Silicon Valley has huge testing departments that test software full time. The version of software that is in the Beta is not ever the same software that is released to the general public for use in their Main Drive, the general public actually get a better version than the Beta tester do and it has fixes which are tested by the employees of the software company. The version of software that Beta testers receive really is only intended to be tested and not to be used for a main drive, we often see serious bugs show up after several fixes have already been applied, which is why we had seven or eight Betas IIRC last year, each version was buggy and not suitable for main drive use. If you think that one version f the Beta is better or stable, its just an illusion, there isarewithout a doubt bugs that you just have not been affected by yet, but they are still there waiting to give you a bad day.