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Erm, just because “you” don’t use them? It’s not just about you.
“Unresponsive”? User/machine error?
 
Hopefully Apple’s investment in Mac apps spurs more third party development. For example, I dislike the Apple podcast app so it would be awesome if Overcast came to Mac.

Also, Infuse and Channels for Mac would be cool.
 
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As long as they leave a way for me to manage and sync my local libraries and have access to my downloaded content.

Don’t take away smart playlists, still let me access my music and video files in the Finder for copying and backing up, and allow me to sync to offline devices and I’m indifferent.

Well, I expect you’ll be disappointed. The Books app shows the way to the future. The Books app on Mojave does not allow you to manually transfer books to your iPad/iPhone. You can change tags and covers but there is no way to transfer ( unless you delete the damn app and reinstall iTunes 12.6.5). Apple decided you must read on the Mac. If you want to read on your iPad you must buy the books from within the app.
 
I agree. I'm an Apple user since 2010 and I've had exactly zero issues with iTunes. It's true though, that it occasionally freezes and it's way slower on Windows than the Mac version.
I'm guessing your comment about Windows vs. Mac is one of the issues at the heart of the bloat-ware comments. iTunes on Windows is slow, crash-prone, and frequently drops a wired connection to an iPhone. I use a PC as a media server, but an MBP for everything else. The crappy implementation of iTunes for Windows has made me re-consider this arrangement, but so far I've stuck with it.
 
Say you've never heard of iTunes's non-music functionality in your life (as I can assure you that many people haven't) and want to know how to get a movie or TV show on your Mac. Is "iTunes" the app you're going to open as a first guess?

If people don’t know what/how to run an application, they should educate themselves.
People want everyone else to take care of them instead of taking responsibility for themselves. Not capable of critical thinking or reading.
They’ll spend all day glued to their devices making banal noise on Facebook/messaging, etc., but can’t spend two minutes looking up and reading about iTunes on the Apple site.
 
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Apple needs to let us edit our iCloud Movies metadata, such as, artwork.

We can do that with our Apple Music, why not Movies?
 
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If people don’t know what/how to run an application, they should educate themselves.
I'm not saying that many people don't know how to open iTunes; I'm saying that they (rightfully) won't think to open iTunes for anything other than music. Because that's what the name suggests. Tunes. Music. The icon is a pair of eighth notes. This argument isn't rocket science.

They’ll spend all day glued to their devices making banal noise on Facebook/messaging, etc., but can’t spend two minutes looking up and reading about iTunes on the Apple site.
Putting the banality of your own argument aside, that's exactly right, because most people don't go out of their way and seek out advertisements for a product that they're (generally) no longer interested in.

iTunes is long past its shelf life. It can and should be distilled into its most important use cases (Apple Music, library management, and the iTunes Store, probably in that order), and everything else needs to go. That's how it's been on iOS for some time now, to great success on Apple's part.
 
I have a feeling that the music app will only be Apple Music, rather than allowing you to maintain your own library, which is what iTunes is supposed to do... I'd love to be proved wrong, but based on how Apple has been moving... they are trying to push services so much recently.

Each of these can earn them some money, where as a dedicated library doesn't earn them as much money.

Apple Music on iOS with which the Mac app will share code already merges iTunes purchases with Apple Music streaming so the same will be true on macOS.

But if you mean ripping CDs into Apple Music, good luck with that. Not going to happen. If you want to rip/play legacy formats you’re going to have to use the legacy iTunes app. If they remove Podcasts and TV/movies from iTunes, then it’ll continue to function as a personal music library app.
 
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I have a feeling that the music app will only be Apple Music, rather than allowing you to maintain your own library, which is what iTunes is supposed to do... I'd love to be proved wrong, but based on how Apple has been moving... they are trying to push services so much recently.

Each of these can earn them some money, where as a dedicated library doesn't earn them as much money.

Agreed. I’d imagine that iTunes is going to be Itms storefront & downloads and your own music files with the new marzipan music app hooking into any of the downloads in iTunes but otherwise being Apple Music only. It’ll be interesting to see if they still keep the iPhone and iPod sync functionality in it.

I guess we’ll end back up with the iTunes of 2003 (functionality wise). What goes around, comes around....
 
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One other comment - following from a point made by John Siracusa on the upgrade podcast, the more interesting story of Mac OS this year will be the porting to macOS of the iPad versions of apps like messages, calendar, mail, notes etc. and the subsequent feature parity between the apps on the two OSs.
 
NO WAY you can run iTunes 6 on Mojave. I so much wish there was a way...


Wrong, I have it running now, you want it?

There are caveats though, like not able to use a current version Library, or opening it directly.

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Apple should let you transfer stuff from phone to phone like Samsung does. Then you don’t have to wait for iCloud to download everything overnight etc. Surely that’s a better user experience?
 
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So you’ll buy stuff in the iTunes app and it’ll transfer over to Music? Like I wonder how that’ll work.


I’m assuming we’ll still sync through iTunes for photos.

If they are building it with Marzipan, it will likely be very similar to the iOS version. So it will focus on using a music library/Apple Music, and not have features for maintaining a local library.

The wildcard in the strategy is what they do with windows iTunes, since they won't want the Windows platform experience to drift too far from the Mac. I've always assumed iTunes has had so little positive UX evolution because of it being cross-platform.

I do assume they aren't coming out with Marzipan for Windows…
 
I remember the days when Mac OS updates were interesting. We talked about things like multitasking, 64-bit, Quartz Extreme, Fast User Switching, Expose, other GUI changes etc.
Now the big features are mainly service related...

Yes. Now it’s just more bloatwear to remove. I suppose they will try to make this stuff unremovable like they did with home, stocks and news.

Offer your garbage as downloads for those interested, but don’t force it on people, and in particular don’t make it a pain to remove!

I suspect that forcing these on people is purely so that they can claim an inflated number of “users” when trying to sell their services.
 
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Apple should let you transfer stuff from phone to phone like Samsung does. Then you don’t have to wait for iCloud to download everything overnight etc. Surely that’s a better user experience?

The heavy stuff like app and OS updates get unpacked, so they are no longer in a sharable/verifiable format. There are caching servers that will serve up these resources locally, however - I believe the time capsule used to do this for instance.
 
This is ultimately a good move, but macOS is still too messy/buggy for me. Very happy to be iOS only, especially through transitions like this.
 
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