macOS 13.3 Coming Soon With Fix for Network File Sharing

[GrumpyDonkey]

Apple breaks something - something basic. Apple then issues a fix - for something that should never have been broken - Apple customers cheer and comment how great it is for a company to fix something they broke themselves.

Is that really the level of expectation Apple customers now have?

 

[tearzyo]

Apple breaks something - something basic. Apple then issues a fix - for something that should never have been broken - Apple customers cheer and comment how great it is for a company to fix something they broke themselves.

Is that really the level of expectation Apple customers now have?

I agree. Though as a macadmin I love this ”fix”. But it’s not enough. We have SMB shares with 200+k folderns in them, loading them on a PC takes 0.1sec. On Macs, you have to grab a coffee and take a walk around the house

 

[Marshall73]

I have no idea if you are a troll, or just extremely ignorant.
"Who uses file sharing these days?" I mean, what sort of a question is this? If you don't use file sharing all the time then perhaps you're not the demographic that should be holding an opinion about it?

And what's with the "Apart from home environments"? Like that's where Apple sells most of their kit, FFS.

To answer your question, uses of file sharing include
- someone with multiple macs (like myself)
- someone doing Time Machine backups to a second machine (like myself)
- people working on a common project in the same office (like my artist friend)

Who even uses “Macs” for file sharing, specifically as file servers. It’s fine for basic stuff e.g. home but struggles beyond that on recent os releases. You’re better off with a NAS or windows file server and Apple know this, they push iCloud, deprecate AFS and poorly support SAMBA. Is it used in office environments? Yes. Will it continue to be used as they upgrade MacOS and replace hardware? Probably not, too many issues with reliability, same with TimeMachine backups. Run your business like that and be doomed to failure.

no need to get all angry when someone points out how Apple are consistently dropping the ball of basic functionality. It’s not a personal attack on you.

 

[name99]

Who even uses “Macs” for file sharing, specifically as file servers. It’s fine for basic stuff e.g. home but struggles beyond that on recent os releases. You’re better off with a NAS or windows file server and Apple know this, they push iCloud, deprecate AFS and poorly support SAMBA. Is it used in office environments? Yes. Will it continue to be used as they upgrade MacOS and replace hardware? Probably not, too many issues with reliability, same with TimeMachine backups. Run your business like that and be doomed to failure.

no need to get all angry when someone points out how Apple are consistently dropping the ball of basic functionality. It’s not a personal attack on you.

Why are you arguing about something that no-one brought up and no-one is interested in?
Read what I wrote.

(a) I want SMB multipath. fact
(b) Apple introduce client SMB multipath with Ventura. fact
(c) The next obvious step is to introduce server SMB multipath. fact

NONE OF THIS has ANYTHING TO DO WITH ENTERPRISE. None of this has anything to do with "dedicated" file servers.
I am using the technical terms, client and server, for the two sides of an SMB connection, whether at home or anywhere else.

YOU chose to read my statements as a license to go off on some rant about Apple in the enterprise, a topic of zero interest to me or (apparently) anyone else on this thread. Then, when I corrected you that this was not the subject of my interest, you decided the appropriate response is to tell me that it should be the subject of my interest!

Dude, read the room!

 

[abromber]

I am trying to confirm this update really fixes the file sharing problem. I have checked several online discussion groups that discuss the problem: some users say it does, and some say it doesn't. I have resolved the problem under 13.2.1 and am reluctant to install 13.3 until I know whether it persists. If anyone who has actually experienced the problem can confirm from personal experience whether or not it is now fixed, that would be appreciated. No offense, but I don't want opinions about Apple or anything else. I just want to know if this is fixed or not.

abromber

 

[coso]

I am trying to confirm this update really fixes the file sharing problem. I have checked several online discussion groups that discuss the problem: some users say it does, and some say it doesn't. I have resolved the problem under 13.2.1 and am reluctant to install 13.3 until I know whether it persists. If anyone who has actually experienced the problem can confirm from personal experience whether or not it is now fixed, that would be appreciated. No offense, but I don't want opinions about Apple or anything else. I just want to know if this is fixed or not.

abromber

It didn't solve my problem alas. But this is build 13.3 (22E252), and Apple told me the build that would solve my problem would be 22E5236f so maybe I need to wait for 13.4

 

[Hank001]

Sharing files over cloud to computers that you have on local network is a waste of time and nonsensical. It’s like sending something via FedEx to the person in the room next to yours.

Or like scanning a document and mail that pdf to your neighbour, asking them to print it for you. 😃

 

[DrKarl]

Happy to report that, for me at least, 13.3 solves SMB file sharing. Works perfectly like it had for years prior to Ventura.

 

[Dameatball]

Why are you arguing about something that no-one brought up and no-one is interested in?
Read what I wrote.

(a) I want SMB multipath. fact
(b) Apple introduce client SMB multipath with Ventura. fact
(c) The next obvious step is to introduce server SMB multipath. fact

NONE OF THIS has ANYTHING TO DO WITH ENTERPRISE. None of this has anything to do with "dedicated" file servers.
I am using the technical terms, client and server, for the two sides of an SMB connection, whether at home or anywhere else.

YOU chose to read my statements as a license to go off on some rant about Apple in the enterprise, a topic of zero interest to me or (apparently) anyone else on this thread. Then, when I corrected you that this was not the subject of my interest, you decided the appropriate response is to tell me that it should be the subject of my interest!

Dude, read the room!

SMB multi channel works well with ventura. SMB still sucks a** but multi channel works well (assuming both machines support it).

 

[fenguix]

Hi! I'm kind of lost.... lot of people saying that the bug is solved.... but still happening in a brand new Mini M2 with latest Ventura 13.3.1 (a)
Turning off, restarting, turning on works ok for a while. Nut when I restart, with sharing on, it will not work later until i turn off and restart and turn on again. So, the "bug" comes again always after restarting with sharing ON.
It affects Windows trying to connect my folders and also Macs.
Any workaround, fix, or any idea?
Thanks!

 

[coso]

Hi! I'm kind of lost.... lot of people saying that the bug is solved.... but still happening in a brand new Mini M2 with latest Ventura 13.3.1 (a)
Turning off, restarting, turning on works ok for a while. Nut when I restart, with sharing on, it will not work later until i turn off and restart and turn on again. So, the "bug" comes again always after restarting with sharing ON.
It affects Windows trying to connect my folders and also Macs.
Any workaround, fix, or any idea?
Thanks!

I still have the bug too. As far as Apple told me, this isn't the release that will fix the problem for us. We must wait for 13.4 probably

No fix at the moment, a part the one you already know..

 

[fenguix]

I still have the bug too. As far as Apple told me, this isn't the release that will fix the problem for us. We must wait for 13.4 probably

No fix at the moment, a part the one you already know..

Thanks.... it's unbelievable that something as basic as this can't be solved in a priority way.

 

[mengying]

I still have the same issue with my Mac Mini 2023 that has the M2 chip and runs on version 13.3.1 (a) (22E772610a).


The workaround of "turning off, restarting and turning on" isn't effective for me.


If I try to connect to the Mac Mini directly using smb, an error message will appear.

There was a problem connecting to the server "10.37.xx.yy".

The server may not exist or it is unavailable at this time. Check the server name or IP address, check your network connection and then try again.

 

[coso]

I still have the same issue with my Mac Mini 2023 that has the M2 chip and runs on version 13.3.1 (a) (22E772610a).


The workaround of "turning off, restarting and turning on" isn't effective for me.


If I try to connect to the Mac Mini directly using smb, an error message will appear.

There was a problem connecting to the server "10.37.xx.yy".

The server may not exist or it is unavailable at this time. Check the server name or IP address, check your network connection and then try again.

Same, let's hope for 13.4...

 

[H_D]

Hi! I'm kind of lost.... lot of people saying that the bug is solved.... but still happening in a brand new Mini M2 with latest Ventura 13.3.1 (a)
Turning off, restarting, turning on works ok for a while. Nut when I restart, with sharing on, it will not work later until i turn off and restart and turn on again. So, the "bug" comes again always after restarting with sharing ON.
It affects Windows trying to connect my folders and also Macs.
Any workaround, fix, or any idea?
Thanks!

On our machines it works - couple of Studios, iMacs and iMacs Pro, so M1 and Intel mixed. Also works at home on two M1. Still slow but a bit faster than before the breakdown and fix (but I might imagine that 😏).

Our setup is that we are sharing actual recent work files for projects wüvia Dropbox (the only way to work during Covid home-office and we stuck with it as local files are faster with SSD so it is worth waiting for the sync which DB manages via LAN locally). Plus an external RAID with archived projects, mock-ups, image/video material which are accessed regularly via SMB. So, even if this is not enterprise-scale deployment I think that for boutique offices of 4—30 people Apple must have a working and fast networking solution if they want to serve businesses in the creative field. iCloud is not nearly a working solution. Dropbox is better but really, especially after being force-relocated by Apple to the library, doesn’t make sense for larger files you do need only sporadically.

 

[fenguix]

File sharing in a local network is BASIC and SHOULD work without any problem. It's what... 30? 40 years old technology? But works and works very well and have no other solutions. I cannot imagine WHY is so difficult to make it working or why it's not high priority for Apple. It really pissed me off that something like this happens. I'm using Macs since 30 years ago and had lot of problems, yes, but something as basic as this, never!
I've upgraded the "old" 8 years old iMac with Big Sur and file sharing working without any problem to a new mini M2 Ventura and now file sharing is not working. Incredible.
Using cloud services it's a temporary fix of course, but man, do I need to send a file from my desk to a server in thousand kilometres away to get it back in the other computer at 2 meters from me? Really????
Or do I need to buy a 20 euros Rasperry Pi to do what my 2000 euros Mac doesn't?

 

[coso]

Alas, Ventura 13.4 (22F66) did not solve the problem for me

 

[mengying]

Alas, Ventura 13.4 (22F66) did not solve the problem for me

Same here. Very disappointed.

 

[fenguix]

Yeap... not working either in 13.4
Looks like NOBODY in Apple has a computer in a network. Really frustrating and disappointed with the direction that Apple is having in the post Steve Jobs era.
Lot of people working on stupid emoticons and nobody in basic stuff like connect two computers.

 

[coso]

I have a M1 MBA (my SO's) with Ventura and network always worked there, so it's strange that only in my M1 iMac it doesn't. Of course it did with Monterey. I guess I need to open another ticket on apple's feedback assistant

 

[fenguix]

I have a M1 MBA (my SO's) with Ventura and network always worked there, so it's strange that only in my M1 iMac it doesn't. Of course it did with Monterey. I guess I need to open another ticket on apple's feedback assistant

I have a new Mini M2 since a month and never worked with stock Ventura or recently update either.
Well, yes, it works when the "trick" of activate, use, deactivate, restart, finger crossed, try agian, pray, works, sometimes, repeat again, damn! :-(

 

[cal6n]

80% of the SMB problems was due to having custom icons associated with SMB shares. If they would have just published that, most of the headaches could have been avoided. It took me forever to figure that out.

It looks like this was my problem. I had a custom Mac Studio icon on my "Macintosh HD". I found these instructions on Reddit:

To restore the original icon for a file or folder:

• On your Mac, select the file or folder
• Right click --> Get Info
• At the top of the Info window, select the small custom icon.
  • Make sure you click the small icon at the top of the Info window (not the large icon under Preview).
• Choose Edit --> Cut in the menu bar.

Once I did that, my other Mac could connect to the share over SMB without issue.

It remains to be seen if the fix remains for more than a few hours. I'll update this post in due course.

 

[fenguix]

It looks like this was my problem. I had a custom Mac Studio icon on my "Macintosh HD". I found these instructions on Reddit:

To restore the original icon for a file or folder:

• On your Mac, select the file or folder
• Right click --> Get Info
• At the top of the Info window, select the small custom icon.
  • Make sure you click the small icon at the top of the Info window (not the large icon under Preview).
• Choose Edit --> Cut in the menu bar.

Once I did that, my other Mac could connect to the share over SMB without issue.

It remains to be seen if the fix remains for more than a few hours. I'll update this post in due course.

Can be some cases that the problem is the icon, but at least in my case, has nothing to do. No custom icons at all. Just two folders shared and no custom icon..... so.... no.... the problem still there and it's not related with custom icons AFAIK.

 

[coso]

Same, no custom icons here, in the whole Mac I don't have any folder with any custom icon

 

[mengying]

I still have the same issue with my Mac Mini 2023 that has the M2 chip and runs on version 13.3.1 (a) (22E772610a).


The workaround of "turning off, restarting and turning on" isn't effective for me.


If I try to connect to the Mac Mini directly using smb, an error message will appear.

There was a problem connecting to the server "10.37.xx.yy".

The server may not exist or it is unavailable at this time. Check the server name or IP address, check your network connection and then try again.

The issue persists on my Mac Mini 2023 running macOS Sonoma 14.0 Beta (23A5257q).