Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
My opinion of using Catalina for a couple of hours, compared to Lion, Mavericks and – the newest one I run – High Sierra: it is as beautiful as useless. Finder syncing UI sucks big time: I don't see anything what's on my iPhone unlike I was able to in the "bloated" iTunes. Could go on and on but I stop here. It's not an upgrade, it's a downgrade, so I upgraded by returning to High Sierra and sticking to triple boot with the other two OSes that I still use and that give me more usage benefits than this abomination of software. Real shame on Apple.
I don't give a dime about sidecars, screentime, catalyst crappy apps, Apple Watch link. This is not productivity.
Totally Agree !!! for the first time ever - Apple - this is pants! !! The performance of this beautiful iMac has been reduced to less than Windows10 and that is saying something! Half my apps won't work - I've lost my iScsi drivers and my remote printers. Even this is taking for ever to type as I everything keeps hanging. If I could get safari to run properly I'm looking for how to re install mojave from fresh. Yup - Shame on you Apple!!
 
I use my iMac, connected to a decent pair of speakers, as a music player. Don't like the fact, that the remote control functionality of the new music software via the remote app on the phone won't work. Don't like it one bit. :mad:
 
iTunes is still available by jumping a lot of hoops.
How?
[automerge]1570662354[/automerge]
Possibly the first OS since Lion that I’ve not been excited about. I mean they actually removed features from music, and the new Photos back is a step backwards from what was almost perfect.

i was also pretty surprised that I lost all my smart playlists for audiobooks. Seems computing gets dumbed down more and more.
 
The features Catalina brought are kind of boring, but I have to say it's been way better on my 2015 Air than Mojave. Feels more refined to use and it's a lot faster, too.
 
They should've provided a centralized UI, where users could have reviewed notifications for all apps in a single dialog, instead of 200 individual popups. Come on! Where's the legendary Apple user experience, guys! Who approved those 100s of popups?
 
Apple still hasn't supplied their own NTFS read/write access yet.
I can safely say that this will not happen... ever. They have full rights to the NTFS specs due to the MS settlement on the Quicktime lawsuit but there is every little reason to do this. Niche feature that is already covered by existing 3rd party software
[automerge]1570664735[/automerge]
Anyone had any problems with the mail app? It is a cluster-bleep on iOS 13.

Overall this release does nothing for me. I have a 32 bit game I love and wish they would have kept that support. I have no use for iPad apps on MacOS. That is why I have an iPad Pro.

The million dollar question is if we are seeing the beginning of a merge of the iPad and Mac. Is the 64 bit requirement in preperation for ARM? Time will tell.
No. It's been 13 years since 64-bit was released. It's about time.
 
They should've provided a centralized UI, where users could have reviewed notifications for all apps in a single dialog, instead of 200 individual popups. Come on! Where's the legendary Apple user experience, guys! Who approved those 100s of popups?
They have the notification sidebar but security alerts would get lost if it's gathered and put aside. Windows does this for some of their alerts. Family member purchased a Dell laptop that got a request to approval the connection to the Thunderbolt Dock. It sat there for days cause no one saw it and they figured the dock we broken when none of the drives/keyboard mounted. When I approached my OCD kicked in and I went to wipe out the "missed" messages and one was from the Intel TB Control Center to approve the connection.
 
So far my favorite things about macOS Catalina has to be Sidecar and the separate music, podcasts, and tv apps. Not to mention that beautiful dynamic Catalina wallpaper😍
 
I know it can be used for that, but I don't expect it to... I fully expect it to be a "let's just dump the iPad app over and be done with it" thing. Even Apple's own new apps are way too iPad-like.

For the same reasons that developers embrace Electron as much as they do. The apps it provides are way too resource hungry and a UI mess (not fitting into the platform at all) but it allows them to "fire and forget" on each platform. Way too often the Mac version is just a tick in a box rather than a well executed effort that actually integrates well into the platform. Again, Electron produced a few gems (Visual Studio Code as one of the examples) and a whole load of trash (Skype for Business, MS Teams from the same publisher, which definitely has the know-how AND the money to do things right)

The absence of such porting technologies forces developers to go back to the drawing board and in the process to determine how best to make an app fit inside each platform. This has over the years generated many exceptional Mac apps. While we all balk at the crappy generic Java ports (enterprise software in particular) that have been released for the platform over the years.

The point is: If you're really committed to doing things right, you will usually go for the full SDK option rather than what's basically a porting layer. iOS and macOS can already have a lot of code in common so two completely separate codebases haven't been necessary since the inception of iOS. For the UI layer yes, but those are different for a reason.

I'm sure this will drive Mac app abundance but I'm sure it'll be very few gems and a lot of half-hearted iPad ports.

Anyway it's here now... Let's hope I'm wrong and you're right! :)

I agree with your points, but it applies to pretty much any cross-platform apps that can be made with little effort. There will always be low-effort ports, but at least some apps will make it to the mac at last. Previously (with some exceptions) mac apps were either full featured but bad on iOS or too barebones to be useful because of lack of development due to the small user base. At WWDC Apple really stressed the importance of going beyond just the checkbox, but it's up to the developers to adapt it to a mac UI. Catalyst is supposed to become the replacement for AppKit, and while there is a lot of work to be done on Apple's end to make it feel like a native mac app, I think the potential is there. For example, the new music app is an Appkit app while podcast is a catalyst app. The fact that they are nearly indistinguishable form each other in terms of the UI is a good sign for well-made Catalyst apps imo.
 
  • Like
Reactions: jinnj
Another negative though is the many added dialog boxes with apps asking for permission to send notifications. You totally get swamped with them after the upgrade

If I remember correctly this is really just a CYA for Apple (or Microsoft etc.) and doesn't really make anything more secure anyway. IIRC all the incessant nagging does is numb people to warnings and train them to click-through as quickly as possible.
[automerge]1570665732[/automerge]
[*]No More iTunes - Apple removed iTunes in macOS Catalina, splitting it up into three new apps: Music, TV, and Podcasts. These three apps offer all of the functionality that was previously in iTunes.

That's great to hear. When I was beta-testing it was clear that Music didn't support certain critical functions such as any sort of real column view, or multiple-libraries, making it a non-starter for people with extensive iTunes libraries and/or the need to use multiple libraries. I'll fire-up the Catalina installer (in a VM) and hopefully I'll see that they have fixed those oversights.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 57004 and mainemini
iTunes is still available by jumping a lot of hoops.

How do you do it? I tried to buy something with iTunes (Mavericks) and it just spins. Also doesn't have song previews anymore... Luckily I have all my songs downloaded but sad to see this go.
 
How do you do it? I tried to buy something with iTunes (Mavericks) and it just spins. Also doesn't have song previews anymore... Luckily I have all my songs downloaded but sad to see this go.

You're not alone. Appears, it's the issue on their end them tweaking their services infrastructure. Although, marked as "resolved", in fact it's not.

AppleStatus.png
 
I have a mid-2012 rMBP and a 2018 mac mini (i5 processor, 8Gb ram ((more ram arriving tomorrow)) and a 256GB ssd) both sitting on my desk. They share a Samsung 4K monitor via HDMI ports 1 & 2. The rMBP screen is set up to come up lower right in a PIP window. This worked fine in Mojave and continues to work fine in Catalina.

While setting up the shares between the two machines' HDs I came to fully appreciate the value of Apple's integration.

I was prepared for the demise of the 32 bit apps and fully understand the reason. Only thing it effects around here is Lightroom 5. I'll be signing up for the CC version. I already have Illustrator CC so no big deal, I was just putting it off.

I have a yuuuge music library on the 500 gig rMBP and it doesn't fit on the 256 gig mini obviously. The rMBP is still fully functional apart from the keyboard (glass of water incident) so I'm leaving the audio data on it. The rMBP is connected via USB codec to an external Alesis mixer which functions as an external sound card. This way I can plug both machines into the mixer and flip-flop the audio output between the two sources as required.

My own experience with Catalina is... I love it. I'm particularly happy the the mid-2012 rMBP got the upgrade as well. Admittedly I'm still scratching the surface at this point. I'm pretty keen on getting an eGPU for the mac mini since the internal card is kinda pedestrian but that's not in scope for this thread. Catalina has been great, for me, so far.
 
With the phone syncing outside of iTunes now, I currently have mine set up so it connects and can sync without plugging it in, will that method still work or to sync will I have to plug the device in?
 
Is anyone else having issues with the maps and find my apps? after upgrading to Catalina neither our displaying any maps. Both apps launch but no maps are displayed. I just get an empty window where maps should be.
 
They have the notification sidebar but security alerts would get lost if it's gathered and put aside.

I'm taking about right after upgrading to Catalina. We've already had our applications installed for years. We could acknowledge them all at once. If there's a new security alert, yes, a popup is necessary. But for existing apps that we've used for years, we could just click them all off together for the first time.

For example, Chrome has been sending me notifications for years. Of course I allow them to continue sending those in Catalina.
 
  • Like
Reactions: arkitect
After reading through the new features synopsis as well as comments, this will be the first OS version I’ll be skipping in my 16 years since becoming a Mac user.

Little to offer for a power user focused on getting work done. Lots of disruption and change-for-the-sake-of-change. Pass.
 
  • Like
Reactions: AlumaMac and NMBob
Mojave rules
[automerge]1570671857[/automerge]
Is anyone else having issues with the maps and find my apps? after upgrading to Catalina neither our displaying any maps. Both apps launch but no maps are displayed. I just get an empty window where maps should be.
your mac is not supported
 
My opinion of using Catalina for a couple of hours, compared to Lion, Mavericks and – the newest one I run – High Sierra: it is as beautiful as useless. Finder syncing UI sucks big time: I don't see anything what's on my iPhone unlike I was able to in the "bloated" iTunes. Could go on and on but I stop here. It's not an upgrade, it's a downgrade, so I upgraded by returning to High Sierra and sticking to triple boot with the other two OSes that I still use and that give me more usage benefits than this abomination of software. Real shame on Apple.
I don't give a dime about sidecars, screentime, catalyst crappy apps, Apple Watch link. This is not productivity.

Agree.
I just jumped from final version of High Sierra to the latest version of Mojave. Happy with it and no plans to move from that for a long time since have some mission critical 32-bit applications which I need to keep using.
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.