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"Experts say you are wrong."

That statement is as worthless as yours. What power users? Where or when did they agree with you?


No, I never use the full screen mode on my Apple notebook. My screen hasn't the size of a post stamp, I'm neither blind as a mole, nor do I have the attention span of an toddler on caffeine, so I can work just fine this way and don't get fatally distracted by a second window on my screen.
You’re obviously neither a writer, a photographer, a video editor or a music producer then.

On a laptop, full screen is usually necessary in these professions.
 
On a laptop, full screen is usually necessary in these professions.
At the end of the day, folks like to use a MBP the way they like to use one to be productive. Different strokes for different folks. I'm glad that MacOS has a full screen option but that's all it is, an option.
 
You’re obviously neither a writer, a photographer, a video editor or a music producer then.

On a laptop, full screen is usually necessary in these professions.
I am a technical writer professionally and an avid hobby photographer.

No, full screen is absolutely not necessary for these things. Especially for the writing, full screen would be contraproductive, as I often need to have multiple documents on screen at the same time.
 
I am a technical writer professionally and an avid hobby photographer.

No, full screen is absolutely not necessary for these things. Especially for the writing, full screen would be contraproductive, as I often need to have multiple documents on screen at the same time.
Multiple documents open (at least using Apple’s tiling options) does use the full screen and create a virtual desktop.

On a notebook when a video editor doesn’t have access to a 2nd display, in the field or mobile office, full screen is absolutely essential.

When I write, I frequently have two documents open side by side in a virtual desktop which in itself = full screen.
 
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Multiple documents open (at least using Apple’s tiling options) does use the full screen and create a virtual desktop.
Useless, as I need to be able to switch between more than just two documents showing on the same display all the time or occasionally need more than two documents on screen.

Seriously, let it go. This discussion is tiresome and pointless. Just accept that fullscreen is not the greatest thing on the world for everyone, nor does it cover all use cases.
 
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They need a setting to hide the notch all the time, so it just looks like a normal Mac. Hopefully the light-bleed won't make it too distracting.
It would be nice if they'd give you the option to show the menu bar when in full screen app mode.
Full screen = the space below the notch. What is this article about again?
Which is why I said IF they didn't scale down the screen...which they do.
If 2021 Dell XPS can come out with a almost no bezel laptop not sure why Apple can't..??

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I'm guessing they'll say the Apple camera is better and wouldn't fit?
 
Useless, as I need to be able to switch between more than just two documents showing on the same display all the time or occasionally need more than two documents on screen.

Seriously, let it go. This discussion is tiresome and pointless. Just accept that fullscreen is not the greatest thing on the world for everyone, nor does it cover all use cases.
Seriously, you let it go 😄 Just accept that full screen is the greatest thing in the world for some people and for others, it is not. But it’s definitely used by A LOT of pros.
 
If 2021 Dell XPS can come out with a almost no bezel laptop not sure why Apple can't..??
That dell trashcam is an insult, pretty much every reviewer points that out.

In general, you still get the same 16:10 screen ratio and space on both Macbooks, the area left and right to that notch is just extra space, so no loss here either (thus they are 14.2" and 16.2"). People keep complaining about irrelevant details.
 
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This isn't really true anymore. Windows Hello won't usually allow you to use facial recognition on most laptops because the standard camera is only capable of grabbing that 2D image that Microsoft realized wasn't secure enough. That's why it only functions on machines like the Surface product line, that have more camera hardware in that gets used only for the Hello functionality
Yes, that's why I said IR photograph. The extra hardware is a camera that captures IR data, which of course is still 2D and not as secure as a 3D map.
 
1) So if I have an app full screen, Mac app, third party app, video games or otherwise, I can’t choose to show the menu bar or not?
2) You know what I mean, not use all 16.2” for full screen. Geez the people on here.
1) Yes, any app that's using the system full screen mode you can choose to show or hide the menu bar. Full screen video and games always hide the menu bar like always
2) You could have had a 16" screen with a bezel or a 16.2" with a notch. The alternative would be to have a weird ratio 16.2" screen with no camera

Not sure what's so hard to understand here
 
I like it. Good use of currently unused space. It hides in Full Screen. Very functional.
Yeah I agree. It literally has no negative impact on anything that I do, at all, ever. Yet it allows me some extra pixels where the menu bar would have been had they kept a pure 16:10 screen. Thanks Apple for the extra pixels. I know it's not a lot, but extra pixels for Photoshop work is always welcomed.
 
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Good use of currently unused space. It hides in Full Screen.
Unused is the key word, but it's not 'hides' in full screen, it's 'shrinking the full screen' for the sake of a notch.

FWIW, the rest of the 2021 MBP features, though returning to a decade old design, are welcome.
 
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well, look at that - who would have thought??? :rolleyes:
Notch haters, get on with life, it's going to stay for years to come
So notch lover, do you really run full screen apps much? I haven't for a long time, so I'll see the notch all the time. I'm sorry you think I should accept the notch, but it's my opinion, and I wont be buying a notched laptop. Get on with your life and stop trying to convince others of something -- it doesn't work, especially not that way.
 
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Why are you all talking about multitasking? The notch is only annoying when watching movies or when you hide the top bar in general. In all other cases it just takes up dead space from the top bar.
The notch is annoying to me anytime I can see it.
 
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So notch lover, do you really run full screen apps much? I haven't for a long time, so I'll see the notch all the time. I'm sorry you think I should accept the notch, but it's my opinion, and I wont be buying a notched laptop. Get on with your life and stop trying to convince others of something -- it doesn't work, especially not that way.
that's ok with me, be happy with a Windows laptop
 
Unused is the key word, but it's not 'hides' in full screen, it's 'shrinking the full screen' for the sake of a notch.

FWIW, the rest of the 2021 MBP features, though returning to a decade old design, are welcome.
Hi, no that is not correct. The old scenario never used these two new rectangles that are now in play. You would either have a visible menu bar, or in full screen, content could extend into/over that region. This menu bar and notch sits above all of that. Nothing is lost. Something is gained.
 
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