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MacOS High Sierra (10.13): Trim working?

sumo.do

sumo.do

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I noticed after I installed the High Sierra public beta two days ago my trim support was no longer enabled under system report under sata. I tried running the TrimForce command multiple times and it is still not enabled (
sudo trimforce enable).

I am running High Sierra on a 2011 Mac mini Server. My SSD is a Samsung 840 Pro. Anyone have their Trim disabled or having trouble running the TrimForce command?
 
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LarryJoe33 said:
I am running a Crucial MX300 and have been unable to covert (f


Maybe, I have a Crucial MX300. I have been unable to convert to APFS. Failure and error codes with each PB release.
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Is your firmware updated? I have an MX300 in a 2012 MacBook Air with an adapter, and it's using APFS without a problem.
 
chrfr said:
Is your firmware updated? I have an MX300 in a 2012 MacBook Air with an adapter, and it's using APFS without a problem.
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I haven't tried that. It seems to be a hassle for Mac's? Did you have an issue and upgrading the firmware resolved it?
 
LarryJoe33 said:
I haven't tried that. It seems to be a hassle for Mac's? Did you have an issue and upgrading the firmware resolved it?
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No, I try to keep up with the SSD firmware updates so it was current before I installed 10.13 beta.
To install it, I burned the image to a CD and booted from that. It was the least work to do it that way since I have a Superdrive hanging around.
 
chrfr said:
No, I try to keep up with the SSD firmware updates so it was current before I installed 10.13 beta.
To install it, I burned the image to a CD and booted from that. It was the least work to do it that way since I have a Superdrive hanging around.
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Thanks, I just upgraded the firmware to the latest and still no luck converting. I know this is beta but it's bugging me and I feel like it has something to do with my system or the way I set up the SDD. How does this compare to your setup?

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More here:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apfs-and-third-party-sdd-upgrades.2058279/#post-24832185
 
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Trim also not working for me in dev beta 4 with a JetDrive 725 (mid 2012 MBPr).
APFS conversion went through smoothly.
 
I removed the APFS volume by booting in with a secondary drive. It's a lot of work. You can't simply format in the GUI Disk Utility. You have to run commands under terminal to specifically remove the APFS container. Then I reformatted in JHFS+ and went back to my 10.12 OS. I ran trim force and it's now ok. So it is clearly a APFS/10.13 thing. I found 10.13 PB3 so buggy anyway. Even Drive Genius that is supposed to work with APFS was really buggy. I kept getting alerts each day from Drive Genius telling me my SSD is about to crap itself and to back up and replace the drive. The drive is fine. It's a Samsung 840 Pro. It's gonna last longer than me. I'm taking a bet now that they release 10.13 GM as a JHFS+ version only. It's a pre-emptive guess I know, but I'd be surprised if they release it knowing so many people have third party SSDs and are having issues doing to APFS transition. They'll do the APFS transition as a 10.13.X update. I mean APFS has trouble with core storage set ups as well (fusion and time machine). So what are all the iMac fusion users gonna do? Split the fusion (like I have on my Mac minis).
 
APFS does expect to be able to use queued TRIM command, and faulty firmware have in the past exposed the availability of the command without being implemented. Apple may have blacklisted those drives.
 
sumo.do said:
I removed the APFS volume by booting in with a secondary drive. It's a lot of work. You can't simply format in the GUI Disk Utility. You have to run commands under terminal to specifically remove the APFS container. Then I reformatted in JHFS+ and went back to my 10.12 OS. I ran trim force and it's now ok. So it is clearly a APFS/10.13 thing. I found 10.13 PB3 so buggy anyway. Even Drive Genius that is supposed to work with APFS was really buggy. I kept getting alerts each day from Drive Genius telling me my SSD is about to crap itself and to back up and replace the drive. The drive is fine. It's a Samsung 840 Pro. It's gonna last longer than me. I'm taking a bet now that they release 10.13 GM as a JHFS+ version only. It's a pre-emptive guess I know, but I'd be surprised if they release it knowing so many people have third party SSDs and are having issues doing to APFS transition. They'll do the APFS transition as a 10.13.X update. I mean APFS has trouble with core storage set ups as well (fusion and time machine). So what are all the iMac fusion users gonna do? Split the fusion (like I have on my Mac minis).
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That is a lot of work. I tried trimforce and it didn't work. I am happy to finally have and APFS formatted SSD. I'll see what PB4 brings in a few days.
 
I'm running DB 5 with no APFS and TRIM is still enabled for me.
 
ryxn said:
I'm running DB 5 with no APFS and TRIM is still enabled for me.
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May I ask which 3rd-party SSD you are using?

Also in former MacOS releases one was able to "force" a trimming of unused blocks with fsck / disk utility within the recovery system manually.
Based on the outputs given by the tools, this does not seem to be available either in HS beta.
 
FatalFallacy said:
May I ask which 3rd-party SSD you are using?

Also in former MacOS releases one was able to "force" a trimming of unused blocks with fsck / disk utility within the recovery system manually.
Based on the outputs given by the tools, this does not seem to be available either in HS beta.
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Oops sorry, didn't read the callout on third party SSDs. The machine SSD with trim is part of my iMac 5K's fusion drive, which isn't third party installed. I have a third party SSD and HDD on my early 2011 MBP, but the beta failed to install entirely.
 
I wonder if it has been enabled (or force enabled) for third party drives in Dev5? I'll test PB4 when it hits later today.
 
installed developer preview #5 from scratch onto an old intel 330 series SSD and ran "trimforce enable". TRIM NOT supported on the intel SSD. external SAMSUNG EVO 850 (thunderbolt) formatted with HFS showed up with TRIM enabled. installed High Sierra to the SAMSUNG (APFS), ran trimforce and rebooted. SAMSUNG has NO TRIM. :rolleyes:
 
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My TRIM is not enabled on my Crucial BX100 (running APFS). I issued the Trimforce command several times (rebooting after each time). What I did notice is that when the command is completed, it responds that it completed successfully so I wonder if its just an anomaly is displaying TRIM status. Has anyone found some other way to verify that TRIM is enabled or not?
Is TRIM somehow built into the APFS operating code so it does work, but just doesn't show up in System Report (obviously an oversight)?
 
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DocoBob said:
My TRIM is not enabled on my Crucial BX100 (running APFS). I issued the Trimforce command several times (rebooting after each time). What I did notice is that when the command is completed, it responds that it completed successfully so I wonder if its just an anomaly is displaying TRIM status. Has anyone found some other way to verify that TRIM is enabled or not?
Is TRIM somehow built into the APFS operating code so it does work, but just doesn't show up in System Report (obviously an oversight)?
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In the first three Dev Betas, it was enabled using sudo trimforce enable, and shows that it was enabled.
 
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