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toke lahti

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Is there a tweak to correct this?

Has anybody made a list which ssd's are reported correctly?
I usually buy internal sata-ssd's and use them with usb-adapters and enclosures.
And currently all my ssd's and adapters with all macOS versions have same problem.

With mini2018.
 
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Basic75

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A Thunderbolt drive should work correctly, and possibly USB enclosures that support UASP.
 

Fishrrman

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OP:

I've never heard of what you're reporting. I have a 2018 Mini as well.

Take a cell phone pic with this "alert" (or whatever it is) on screen so the rest of us can see it.
 

toke lahti

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OP:

I've never heard of what you're reporting. I have a 2018 Mini as well.

Take a cell phone pic with this "alert" (or whatever it is) on screen so the rest of us can see it.
Second last line. I can post lots of more of these, if you need.
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paardenkapper

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I assume this comes down to the controller chip in the USB enclosure.

It does not even support the S.M.A.R.T status - have you tried a different adapter?
 

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I didn't think SMART worked on external disks? I have a 2018 Mini with a bunch of USB external SSDs, three are always connected, they are properly identified. Here's what I get with a 2tb Samsung T7 USB SSD.

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This is a 2tb WD Black USB SSD

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toke lahti

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I didn't think SMART worked on external disks? I have a 2018 Mini with a bunch of USB external SSDs, three are always connected, they are properly identified. Here's what I get with a 2tb Samsung T7 USB SSD.

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This is a 2tb WD Black USB SSD

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Smart is a different issue.
You need SATsmart driver for external drives.
Which can't be used, when booting from external. Like I use my mini.

From here:
 

toke lahti

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I assume this comes down to the controller chip in the USB enclosure.

It does not even support the S.M.A.R.T status - have you tried a different adapter?
I've tested 3 different Orico cases, OWC Mercury OTGpro, Xoro Hud300, Orico's dock, OWC's adapter, Delock's adapter, Seagate's adapter and StarTech's case.
With Kingston A400, WDblue and Sandisk X400.

Can somebody name any SATA cases that support UASP?
 

Fishrrman

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OP:

Forget about "smart", "solid state", all the rest of that stuff.

When you connect the drive, does it mount on the desktop (as it should)?

Can you erase it?

Can you read files from it?
Can you write files TO it?

Can you run a speed test utility on it?
If so, what kind of read and write speeds do you get?

If all these things seem to work...
... I'd just use the drive and (again) forget about "the small stuff".

(Fishrrman thinks, like the neanderthal troglodyte that he IS)
 

DeltaMac

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You do know that "supports UASP" does NOT necessarily mean "supports SMART"? On a related issue, that also does not mean "supports TRIM", which is a common question. Most external USB enclosures do not support TRIM, particularly on macOS.
 

paardenkapper

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I never bought anything expensive. All the cheapo china adapters from amazon work well with my drives.
Any of course - what gives if it doesn't say "solid state"?
 

toke lahti

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OP:

Forget about "smart", "solid state", all the rest of that stuff.

When you connect the drive, does it mount on the desktop (as it should)?

Can you erase it?

Can you read files from it?
Can you write files TO it?

Can you run a speed test utility on it?
If so, what kind of read and write speeds do you get?

If all these things seem to work...
... I'd just use the drive and (again) forget about "the small stuff".

(Fishrrman thinks, like the neanderthal troglodyte that he IS)
I tried to create external Fusion drive with Catalina install usb.
Diskutil does not create a Fusion and keeps nagging that there's no ssd connected.
 

Fishrrman

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I would not try to create an "external" fusion drive at all.
If by some chance there's a "cable disruption", that could be the end of the fusion drive.

If you have SSD's, I can see of NO practical reason to want or use a fusion drive, anyway.
 

DeltaMac

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As far as I can find out, an enclosure that is certified for Thunderbolt, would support all commands supported by UASP. Pretty sure it's part of the specs for Thunderbolt devices.
That would include native support for TRIM, if that is an issue for you.
 

Basic75

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Thunderbolt enclosures with an NVMe drive should always support TRIM. In that case I'd trust "trimforce enable" to do the right thing without triple-checking.
 

gilby101

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If it needs, does anybody know if this support it:
You would need to experiment. The twin drives (limited to 1.5GB/s each) has me wondering over a TB3 connection. I assume it works out of the box with macOS - the manual only describes use with Windows with no indication of details of the functionality.
 

toke lahti

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You would need to experiment. The twin drives (limited to 1.5GB/s each) has me wondering over a TB3 connection. I assume it works out of the box with macOS - the manual only describes use with Windows with no indication of details of the functionality.
I'm not sure, but maybe IOPS is more important to run OS asn snappy as possible?

It is quite amazing that 40Gbps connection is capped to 24Gbps.
 

toke lahti

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...and maybe, since this unique dual-case isn't available, scrap the whole idea and just buy an average case and ssd.
This Mushkin has TBW of 1PB!
Anybody have any experience with Mushkins?

 
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