macOS Sierra 10.12.2 Removes 'Time Remaining' Battery Life Indicator

[dyn]

So instead of actually fixing the inaccuracy they decide to remove all indicators?

They removed it because of people like you. People who do not understand the meaning of the word "estimation" nor that you cannot predict the future at all. The best way of measuring battery life was, is and always will be by running a specific use case and measure battery life with a stopwatch.

Anyone who's in the reporting business knows how unbelievably bad people are at understanding the data that is in the report. They never know the difference between actual numbers and estimates, most think they are the same.

I'm hoping the Linux world and Microsoft would do the same. That should make life for tech support a lot easier. No more needing 15 to 30 minutes of explaining what an estimation is and why battery life is different than whatever the OS tells you. If only reporting would follow...

 

[Apple_Robert]

Cool story.

My post was on topic and added much more to the subject at hand, versus your passive aggressive drivel.

 

[opfreak]

Thinner Battery life - Practically Magic (apple)

 

[simonmet]

I've always found the time remaining estimate to be reasonably accurate. No one said it was perfect and most people are smart enough to realise that with changing or variable usage patterns it either takes time to adjust or isn't as accurate, but this isn't reason enough to cull it. The estimates were still useful as a rough indicator or guide to the approximate amount if time one could expect given the current usage.

This is another example of Apple going backwards and it's so obvious why they did this. This is not a user-friendly company anymore. It's user-hostile and insulting to the intelligence of its users.

 

[macduke]

This is by far the most pathetic Apple story I have ever read on this site. Apple is full of sh*t.

 

[MH01]

Seriously?

Or I'm just making a joke because the situation is funny. Chillax, sir.

Now is that upto and including ? Apple marketing got some wiggle room there ....

 

[iDento]

look people no problem, everyone batteries just got much better on all macs.....sorry but not even Microsoft pulled this crap.

Can't believe it took so few year for Microsoft to start being the like apple and apple being like Microsoft . Tim "Ballmer" Cook is doing great.... they can add my 2016 to the returns, what a pathetic way to address the issue

Not even fake Chinese black market crap startups!

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

Apple has never promised 10 hours. Too many people around here are acting as if Apple has, and getting upset with Apple, as if Apple breached terms of a contract or purposefully released a faulty product.

Please, hop on over to the spec page right now: http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/specs/ , scroll down to the battery life claims, what are they claiming? Don't trust me. You do it and see for yourself. What are they claiming in writing right there on their own website?

 

[AllergyDoc]

Just upgraded to 10.12.2 and checked my Battery Monitor Widget: remaining time on battery is displayed.

 

[StayPuft]

Now is that upto and including ? Apple marketing got some wiggle room there ....

The statement was "Apple has never promised" ... which is incorrect. That doesn't mean people will get 10 hours every time (obviously).

 

[Naraxus]

Looks like you are assuming Apple is not going to address any potential problem, just because they removed an inaccurate indicator.

Lots of people bashing Apple over this move without any facts to backup the bashing.

It's worked perfectly fine for me and many others for years but keep on making excuses for Apple's ineptitude and deceitful behavior.

 

[Amplelink]

Has it dawned on any of the Apple haters, that removing the indicator so that a proper analysis can be done to hunt down a possible bug (if there is one, and I believe there is) makes it easier for Apple's staff, versus leaving the inaccurate indicator in place, thus causing consumers of said product to get confused and upset, thus (possibly) flooding Apple call centers over said inaccurate indicator?

Yes, yes, we've considered all that. There are great, super rational, reasons for doing what Apple just did. The problem is the PR. It's just a horrible move. I can't believe this is an issue that's just now rearing it's head. It's the way Apple is addressing the issue - makes it seem like they're just sweeping a real problem under the rug by eliminating the ability to see how much estimated battery life is left. Had they done this before the new MacBooks were released or sometime in the next year, then it would look far less clumsy.

 

[Stjuls]

I often look at the time remaining to see when I need to charge my battery.

A useful feature has been taken away. Now my computer's worse than when I bought it.

 

[antonis]

There are people that use their MBPs on the same task for extensive time frames doing some work, and for such constant usage the indicator was very useful and accurate enough, especially on non-2016 models. I know I did when taking my 2015 MBP on a client's site and doing terminal work for hours. So please...hold on with the justifying BS.

On the other hand nobody with a right mind would buy the 2016 toy model for a professional work, so I guess this is the future of the mac mentality.

 

[Apple_Robert]

Seriously?

Or I'm just making a joke because the situation is funny. Chillax, sir.

Up to is not the same as guaranteed for every person under every usage. Apple's testing usage is not what I would call real world daily usage testing. It is much like what other manufacturers do.

Some here have gotten 10 hours while the majority have gotten much less. Should I bash Apple all the time, because my particular usage is not 10 hours every time? Should I bash a company without any facts? I don't think so.

 

[alpinadvl]

I am with everyone else here on this forum...

The guys making decisions at apple are now a bunch of turds ... wow.

how imbecilic can they be? Just the very fact they would not predict this backlash, for starters, shows their incompetence.

Not to mention the "un-pro" macbook pros just recently released.

Apple has lost its shine, luster, and now its compass.

 

[Brian Clifford]

ignore this message in place of a deleted message

 

[Naraxus]

Up to is not the same as guaranteed for every person under every usage. Apple's testing usage is not what I would call real world daily usage testing. It is much like what other manufacturers do.

Some here have gotten 10 hours while the majority have gotten much less. Should I bash Apple all the time, because my particular usage is not 10 hours every time? Should I bash a company without any facts? I don't think so.

Apple wouldn't have a problem with battery life if their products weren't so anorexic so as to accommodate a larger battery

 

[soms_user]

I love sweeping generalisations.

"I don't use thus NOBODY uses it".

hahahaha...you dont get the joke...to add to your confusion here's another:

Chrome will not be allowed to be installed on mac-pros from the next update!

 

[macduke]

If this isn't the writing on the damn wall, then I don't know what is. What are our options, boys?

Serious question: Is Windows 10 even really all that bad? I mean, lots of people use them for work everyday. Sure, they don't look as nice as Apple computers, but let's be real: This is a tool. Apple clearly has some sort of resentment towards their customers now. Especially their Mac customers. They don't like us and they want to get rid of us. I don't know what has changed in the past year, but it makes me really uncomfortable and I don't feel like recommending Macs any more. How long before the same happens to iOS? Probably not too long as all iOS developers use Macs, per Xcode and all the other tools available. This could get ugly real quick.

 

[Frosties]

Annoying, but I understand it.

"4 Hours Left" means nothing if you then open up YouTube and stream some videos.

The approximation users magic to recalculate the estimated remaining time with used power draw. Amazing! New estimated time is not the same during use. Bazinga!

I found it very useful when working with something processorintensive. Then I could have an estimated time before I had to stop working and find an outlet. That is not the same as keep looking time and time again for a q% battery.

 

[Apple_Robert]

Please, hop on over to the spec page right now: http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/specs/ , scroll down to the battery life claims, what are they claiming? Don't trust me. You do it and see for yourself. What are they claiming in writing right there on their own website?

Again, they do not guarantee 10 hours. Apple has never made such guarantees.

If one uses his or her Mac in a

It's worked perfectly fine for me and many others for years but keep on making excuses for Apple's ineptitude and deceitful behavior.

I am not defending Apple over some conspiracy coverup plot. I like to wait for the facts, before bashing Apple or any other company.

 

[Brian Clifford]

Just as well the Apple's new trackpad has such good palm rejection.

 

[StayPuft]

Up to is not the same as guaranteed for every person under every usage. Apple's testing usage is not what I would call real world daily usage testing. It is much like what other manufacturers do.

Some here have gotten 10 hours while the majority have gotten much less. Should I bash Apple all the time, because my particular usage is not 10 hours every time? Should I bash a company without any facts? I don't think so.

You said they never promised 10. That's all I was commenting on. You were wrong. Of course they didn't promise "10 always no matter what" ... nobody in their right mind would assume that. You made an incorrect statement so own up to it. If you meant something else, then word it differently. But don't backpedal when you're called out.

 

[vanryan]

I know I am in the minority but it makes sense to not show the length of time a battery will last in terms of time. Someone earlier made a comment that this is like taking the fuel gauge off the car but essentially Apple has left the fuel guage. However, like a car it doesn't try to tell you how long you can drive for in terms of hours and minutes. Everyone knows the faster you drive the more gas you're going to use. Not sure why the uproar here.