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Apple has completely lost touch of everything at this point.........wow

Except the touchbar.

Pun intended

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It's my understanding Cupertino employees bust their arses so it's not their fault, but what the heck is going on at HQ? misguided sweat blood and tears for a non or muddied vision. Yikes
 
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Can we start a petition or something to get rid of Tim Cook.. He has to go as I don't like what Apple is becoming...

I can understand that feeling. I think Tim's a great number cruncher, but he's no visionary. Get one aboard and the problem would be solved. He did do well next to Jobs, but now without Jobs... it's just number crunching which leads to marketing taking over and a loss in customer satisfaction, as well as quality and stability.

Sigh. :(
 
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All the people complaining about battery life are all probably using Chrome and have 15 tabs open.

That's not allowed on a pro laptop? Should we only be using Apple approved apps? Safari, with no more than 5 tabs open, and nothing else running in order to get 5 out of the 8 hours apple advertises.

Sure - I'll agree it's inaccurate - it's just the timing of removing it makes it Apple look mischievous. Was it an issue when batteries really lasted 10 hours? Sure - but Apple didn't think it was necessary to correct it then.

Exactly! No one expects it to be accurate. No one did before and no one does now. The issue is battery life, not the estimator. If anything, if they lied, and made it more optimistic, it'd probably be a better response than removing it.

I always liked being able to look and see what was 'estimated' if I needed to adjust what I was doing to make the battery last longer I would. Of course different applications effected drain. From what I noticed this was never removed in the beta versions, which really makes this more dubious on Apples part.

Yes!! Thank you! I am the same way.

To be fair, that's not quite the same... It's more like they removed the "distance until empty" estimate rather that the actual fuel gauge.

Distance until empty is a new feature that now most cars carry. It was added, not removed, because it's useful. Everyone knows if you are driving aggressively, that mile marker goes down, but it's still good for planning. You see manufacturers adding it, not removing it.

People have been bitching about battery life since the dawn of time...in my years of Apple support, i've always been able to find a process or app that is the culprit. But it is much easier to blame someone else

Everyone knows that. The Air had 10 hours, and lasted somewhat closer to that. Did Apple remove that battery indicator even though it never really said 10 and usually around 7-8? But the battery lasted, and people were happy. Apple didn't remove it, because the battery life didn't suck. What changed? People's expectation didn't grow higher. We have 10-12 hour laptops, what changed is Apple lying about their own battery life numbers.

Amazing how "THE TIME IS NOT ACCURATE AND THEREFOR USELESS" goes right over the heads of everyone that comes here to troll and deride.

It's not useless. Your car has a fuel milage meter, it's not accurate but SUPER useful. It gauges approximate time. Car manufactures don't remove it, because people love it and want it. They would complain if it was removed. So no one is trolling here. People are voicing that what they wanted has been removed. You, on the other hand, are trolling, saying people are not allowed to mourn the loss of a feature they loved and used ONLY because Apple cannot meet their own numbers.
 
The best part of this will be hearing Leo Laporte and Andy Inhatko kvetch about this on MacBreak Weekly, while Rene Ritchie tries to defend it.
 
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This is stupid. Imo.

I loved that time remaining indicator, apple removing it for these obvious reasons is just stupid
You loved a completely wrong indicator of time remaining? Explain.

Before you respond, understand that the time remaining is in fact completely wrong. Always.
 
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Everybody here acts like not getting the stated battery life for a device is some new development...It has been the case for many devices (Apple and others) for years and years. Any person well versed in electronics knows to realistically expect less battery life than what is stated on the box. Android/Windows users complain about it too but I bet there isn't a 20 page forum on 9to5Google about it.

Do you guys believe everything you see on TV or read online? All those commercials that seemingly have NOTHING to do with the products they promote - we all take them literally huh?

NO! educate yourself on how things work and learn to read between the lines
 
I wouldn't go that far.

Every time I fly, over the PA, they aren't saying "if you have a touchbar mac with horrible battery life, it will NOT be allowed on a plane"

And they definitely did Hide it to an extent. They said they fixed the issue when they didn't and was spun as "we thought we found the issue in the lab but apparently not." Or rushed the recall out the gate. At least they're bricking the remaining 225k units in the wild and stripping functionality with a splash screen and powered down radio.

Why would you hold onto a note7? Risk blowing off your limbs or worse,

That's fanboyism at its finest

Not talking about the product, the company is who I'm having a problem with lately. The pro has, literally, empty battery space because they wanted to either cut costs or to be able to make a ridiculous marketing slide. I thought Apple prided itself on battery life and here they are taking a step backwards. When caught up, they pull **** like this to hide that fact. After how many generations of battery monitoring, we're supposed to believe that they're NOW inaccurate!? Guess what, people have these MBPs out in the wild and they DONT get anywhere near 10hrs even with light use (myself included, though not for long as I'm getting a refund just before the return deadline).
 
It's not useless. Your car has a fuel milage meter, it's not accurate but SUPER useful. It gauges approximate time. Car manufactures don't remove it, because people love it and want it. They would complain if it was removed. So no one is trolling here. People are voicing that what they wanted has been removed. You, on the other hand, are trolling, saying people are not allowed to mourn the loss of a feature they loved and used ONLY because Apple cannot meet their own numbers.

You don't get to make complete nonsense fraudulent comparisons like this and get away with it.

You and everyone else acting like this was changed because Apple is lying about battery life, need to be banned today. Permanently.
 
Huh, then what about all the people that are getting great battery life with that smaller battery and thus proving Apple claims true? You speak as if every MacBook is affected.

If the smaller battery was the reason for poor battery life, then wouldn't EVERY MacBook pro be getting poor battery life because they ALL have the smaller battery?

it's all about what you do with it.

If I bought a macbook pro, and did nothing but officework and web browsing in safari, you'll probably get thsoe hours. But thats not what the "Pro" laptop is supposed to be. Thats what the Air / MacBook is aimed for.

the second you start pushing the device, battery life is taking a nosedive. There are enough reports and anecdotes and reviews to back this up. I don't think anyone is surprised that if you put load on a computer, battery life goes down.

What I don't think people expected was just how "Off" apple's claimed numbers would be from real life. If the only way the device manages 10 hours of battery is if it's using "properly optimised programs" and anything else is bringing it down to < 5 hours, Thats a problem and it points to the fact that there's a physical technical limitation to battery life.

the question you have to ask yourself (And other people who are buying it). Is the trade off worth it? is 3mm of thickness worth only having a device that will last around 2-3 hours under heavy load, or 5-6 under moderate use.

what makes this even more apparent is Apple used to be extremely good with battery life expectations. When They claimed the MacBook air got 13 hours of medium use, it got near damn 13 hours of use.

when they claim the MacBook pro is 10 hours of use, and people are getting 5-6... Something is different.
 
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Again just excuses. If Apple knows those are the most ideal conditions, should they make that marketing claim or back off of it a bit? If they know it can't be replicated in the "real world," they just set them up for consumer unhappiness by claiming ideals but delivering less.

Key concept here is that we all know Apple CAN build Macs that can last 10 hours in less-than-ideal environments. But what you have here is clashes of "thinner", various negatives related to this new "pro" product, unusual bugs getting out the door, etc such that some see a "MBpro Issue Train- Choo, Choo..." and this is just one more thing on top of all that.

The catalyst for the gripe is not even the battery testing. It's this move to hide a measurement that has been "just fine" for years and years but is suddenly judged inaccurate and deleted right when this issue is PR noisy. It looks like a shyster move and we are relatively unaccustomed to that from the Apple (at least through the long history lens). Make this particular change 6 months ago or 6 months from now and this thread probably doesn't make it 16 pages already today.
In my opinion, Apple should rethink (read: redo) their marketing stance, in regards to the battery notation. As it stands, I think it does more harm for Apple, not to mention confusing and upsetting a lot of Mac users. I think Apple can, and should be a lot more clear and concise with their marketing in this regard.
 
That's not allowed on a pro laptop? Should we only be using Apple approved apps? Safari, with no more than 5 tabs open, and nothing else running in order to get 5 out of the 8 hours apple advertises.
It hasn't been a "Professional" laptop for years. The removal of USB type A ports should demonstrate that, if you had any doubts.
 
In my opinion, Apple should rethink (read: redo) their marketing stance, in regards to the battery notation. As it stands, I think it does more harm for Apple, not to mention confusing and upsetting a lot of Mac users. I think Apple can, and should be a lot more clear and concise with their marketing in this regard.

On this, we agree.
 
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Again just excuses. If Apple knows those are the most ideal conditions, should they make that marketing claim or back off of it a bit? If they know it can't be replicated in the "real world," they just set them up for consumer unhappiness by claiming ideals but delivering less.

Key concept here is that we all know Apple CAN build Macs that can last 10 hours in less-than-ideal environments. But what you have here is clashes of "thinner", various negatives related to this new "pro" product, unusual bugs getting out the door, etc such that some see a "MBpro Issue Train- Choo, Choo..." and this is just one more thing on top of all that.

The catalyst for the gripe is not even the battery testing. It's this move to hide a measurement that has been "just fine" for years and years but is suddenly judged inaccurate and deleted right when this issue is PR noisy. It looks like a shyster move and we are relatively unaccustomed to that from the Apple (at least through the long history lens). Make this particular change 6 months ago or 6 months from now and this thread probably doesn't make it 16 pages already today.

Exactly, if I was willing to deal with this kind of crap from a Apple, I'd just buy a Lenovo/Dell/HP at half the price!
 
Not talking about the product, the company is who I'm having a problem with lately. The pro has, literally, empty battery space because they wanted to either cut costs or to be able to make a ridiculous marketing slide. I thought Apple prided itself on battery life and here they are taking a step backwards. When caught up, they pull **** like this to hide that fact. After how many generations of battery monitoring, we're supposed to believe that they're NOW inaccurate!? Guess what, people have these MBPs out in the wild and they DONT get anywhere near 10hrs even with light use (myself included, though not for long as I'm getting a refund just before the return deadline).

I would too. Nevermind 1800+ cost of a 2016 machine got only 3 hours no matter the cost to a point, even as low as like 500 bucks, I'd say F U and send it back.

Apple sees battery life and marketing battery life beyond 10hours specifically as "the enemy" I don't get it

Are they inciting complete misery before rolling out a lithium ion successor ?? To make you understand how badly you need the newest one?

It defies me. I understand the drive for slim, portables benefit. But battery is important too.

Happy with nTB battery fortunately
 
Beside battery and Emoji's does someone notes better performance, less bugs? If you short on battery, you have to type faster.....
 
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That's not allowed on a pro laptop? Should we only be using Apple approved apps? Safari, with no more than 5 tabs open, and nothing else running in order to get 5 out of the 8 hours apple advertises.
No other browser besides Chrome has brought these battery draining comments.
Kinda obvious that Google Chrome is poorly designed.
 
Can you imagine if they removed the fuel indicator on a car, because you complained weren't getting enough MPG as reported.

Thank god they dropped that asinine project. Can you imagine the pretentiousness that would have accompanied that lemon?
 
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