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its the fallacy of the "time remaining" progress bar. Those are never accurate and although there are different factors at work here, I can see similarities.

Apple Human Interface Guidelines
Use an indicator to help users gauge how long a process will take to complete. Users don’t always need to know precisely how long a task will take, but it’s important to give them an estimate. For example, the Finder combines a progress indicator with optional explanatory text to show users about how long a copy operation will take.
https://developer.apple.com/library...ack.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/20000957-CH9-SW1
 
It feels more and more like being a paying beta tester for Apple's operating systems, this convinces me more and more to downgrade the only machine I upgraded to Sierra, will stay on El Capitan till can afford a PC with Windows 10, the Apple I bought my first PowerMac Dual G4 is long time gone...
 
So by hiding the time remaining we will now get 10 hours of battery life? They're not trying to cover up a problem, right?

It's a fair move, I believe. If it says 4 hours and then you watch a 90 min hd film and it dies, people don't get it. iPhones have never given estimate time remaining, and people seem to better understand that battery percentage drops more quickly when performing certain tasks.

From what I've heard, people are contacting Apple Care with a screen shot saying some number of hours remaining and then another screenshot again when fewer hours have past but battery is almost dead, as if being more active in the interim should make no difference.

Obviously the battery should still achieve Apple's advertised life on average, but I don't think it's hard to understand how the time remaining indicator is problematic.
 
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If you want it back, just install iStat Menus Pro:

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The Mac is not limited like iOS is. You can download applications outside of the Mac App Store that do cool things (for now).

$18 to get it back's a bit steep unless the other stats interest you. For a freeware option (donations accepted) there's coconutBattery.
 
This is the signal bar on the iPhone all over again.

Sorry - but Apple needs to stop dumbing down to the point of absurdity. Why not an option to turn this feature on or off instead.

It's not like people aren't going to notice their battery isn't getting 2-3 hours of use on a charge. There's empirical evidence when the laptop itself shuts down.
 
Next they'll say the screen shots of activity monitor battery usage are inaccurate because...

People are already calling them out for using Chrome, Safari, video-playback, messages, the fact that they're connected to a network or via bluetooth or that their brightness needs to be below 40% :D
 
$18 to get it back's a bit steep unless the other stats interest you. For a donationware option there's coconutBattery.

I spent $16 in 2009 and $9 in 2014 and iStat Menus has worked every day on multiple Macs reliably with monthly updates from the developers to support new Mac Hardware & OS features. It monitors CPU, GPU, Network, Battery, has a calendar built in w/ time zone support and there are other features I don't use.

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If you only want battery time monitoring, it's a lot of money but my point is, the great thing about the Mac is we have choice. Without Jailbreaking, there is no way to get back features Apple removes from iOS. On the Mac, we can launch whatever we want.
 
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Can you imagine if they removed the fuel indicator on a car, because you complained weren't getting enough MPG as reported.

There's still a fuel indicator. What they're not doing anymore is ESTIMATING remaining run time. Big difference between run time estimates versus a fuel gauge. Not every car estimates your remaining fuel mileage.

I agree, the estimate was typically wrong and varied widely depending on what you did. But it was still useful as a guess. Problem is, everyone here took it for more than what it was, an estimator.

Regardless, the thing I find more troubling is Apple seemingly being unaware of the sour taste this was SURE to leave in everyone's mouth. Did they honestly think this was going to be a good move, to help stop the negative PR? How could they not see that this would only FURTHER the backlash?

And before any of you Steve Jobs worshippers say "Steve would never allow this." Actually he did. Remember antenna-gate? They did the exact same thing with the reception bar after antenna gate.

Honestly, iOS has never had a battery remaining estimator, and you all have lived without it. It's not that big of a deal. It's just the oblivious gesture by Apple that leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
 
If somebody knows any trick, or Terminal command, app, whatever to check remaining battery life, I will be thankful. Otherwise, probably I'll stay on 10.12.1 forever... Glad I kept my 10.12.1 downloaded on my hard drive.

The native Apple timer was never terribly accurate; I always took it as a guide. If I plug my laptop into my external monitor, surely it'll drain faster (perhaps I should've gotten a monitor that supports Thunderbolt charging). Anyway, I use the Monity app; shows all kinds of diagnostics like battery life, number of cycles, active/inactive RAM, and so on, right in the Notifications panel. I think it also shows time remaining. It's worth the $5.
 
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The users complaining in this thread don't get it.

That metric was so useless and inaccurate, just simply opening a new app would drastically change the "time remaining" for some time. So people would open up their favorite apps and then immediately check the "time remaining" and see that they're only expected to get 3 hours of battery life.

Since it was so adaptive, it was highly inaccurate. People can complain Apple is hiding the issue or whatever, but to me, percentage will tell you more about the actual battery life that the machine is expected to get.

Sure - I'll agree it's inaccurate - it's just the timing of removing it makes Apple look mischievous. Was it an issue when batteries really lasted 10 hours? Sure - but Apple didn't think it was necessary to correct it then. Is it an issue now when users see their new laptops run out of juice in 3-6 hours? It still is.
 
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